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Post by manorlounger on Oct 7, 2016 5:54:26 GMT
But we would have been waiting for a yes or no without having spent nearly a year and probably a fair bIt of money in the process. First person u want to get permission to do something in a rented property - the owner. Wake up and smell the coffee. It's obvious the club are highlighting the way Kassam is, and are actually making him look more of a c*nt than he already is. The sooner that c*nt has no connection with our football club the better. Well done Darryl. This makes sense. For weeks now the club has referred to the ground as "Grenoble Road" and the diplomatic references to FK have diminished if not gone completely. To now directly refer to FK as the reason for the non start on the 4th stand is very telling. Gloves off, let's get to it!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 5:59:09 GMT
But we would have been waiting for a yes or no without having spent nearly a year and probably a fair bIt of money in the process. First person u want to get permission to do something in a rented property - the owner. Wake up and smell the coffee. It's obvious the club are highlighting the way Kassam is, and are actually making him look more of a c*nt than he already is. The sooner that c*nt has no connection with our football club the better. Well done Darryl. Fully awake thanks. Unless ur suggesting they spent over a year working on something just so they can prove what a t*at he is then it still don't make sense. They would have got the same Responce day one saying we asked the question about a temp stand , kassam has said no. It didn't need highlighting, everyone knows what he's like. And knowing that I would Definitely have wanted some sort of confirmation that it was a go ahead before starting. The way it came out from the club, was that he wasn't asked for a decision until he was called to the board meeting a few weeks before the Swindon game.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 7, 2016 9:42:07 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well.
Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him.
I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out.
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Post by blox21 on Oct 7, 2016 9:51:44 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. Let's take him on !!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 9:52:34 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. Let's take him on !! In what role? Caretaker ?
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Post by blox21 on Oct 7, 2016 11:23:10 GMT
yes he can start with one or two jobs that need doing round the stadium!😄
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 12:05:11 GMT
yes he can start with one or two jobs that need doing round the stadium!😄 Coach driver. Take us on a journey
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 7, 2016 12:35:37 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. The problem is FK has been awkward with the club in some regards recently and I can understand why they've given up being so diplomatic. The stadium is holding the club back, but it wouldn't be so bad if the landlord wasn't so awkward to deal with on a daily basis for no real reason that I can see other than being cheap (e.g. not replacing floodlight bulbs). Calling the stadium Grenoble Road is quite childish in the grand scheme of things, but quite effective if you want to irritate someone. It'll be interesting to see what Sky Sports refer to the ground as on Sunday.
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Post by Colin B on Oct 7, 2016 13:40:10 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. The problem is FK has been awkward with the club in some regards recently and I can understand why they've given up being so diplomatic. The stadium is holding the club back, but it wouldn't be so bad if the landlord wasn't so awkward to deal with on a daily basis for no real reason that I can see other than being cheap (e.g. not replacing floodlight bulbs). Calling the stadium Grenoble Road is quite childish in the grand scheme of things, but quite effective if you want to irritate someone. It'll be interesting to see what Sky Sports refer to the ground as on Sunday. Maybe Dave Jones can have a word!
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 7, 2016 13:58:17 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. Should we hide away encase we upset FK? Or grow a set and stand up for our club! Since it was built I have personally refused to call the ground by its name. Yes it can be seen as childish but I was brought up to stand up for myself. In saying that there is no point charging about in 'burn the witch' mode.. But a sensible campaign to at least highlight what a lowlife b@stard FK is in the media. Imagine that fact being covered on sky sports news and the mainstream media? Also the issue with priory needs to be pushed. FK made his money off the misery of those stuck in crap London B&Bs because they were homeless. Some bad publicity for him would do nicely!
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Post by iambungle on Oct 7, 2016 14:01:39 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. The problem is FK has been awkward with the club in some regards recently and I can understand why they've given up being so diplomatic. The stadium is holding the club back, but it wouldn't be so bad if the landlord wasn't so awkward to deal with on a daily basis for no real reason that I can see other than being cheap (e.g. not replacing floodlight bulbs). Calling the stadium Grenoble Road is quite childish in the grand scheme of things, but quite effective if you want to irritate someone. It'll be interesting to see what Sky Sports refer to the ground as on Sunday. Well they kept on referring to Upton Park as The Boleyn when they made that wanky program about WHUFC leaving The Boleyn Upton Park last season, so they shouldn't have too many problems
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Post by headingtonutd on Oct 7, 2016 14:30:31 GMT
The problem is FK has been awkward with the club in some regards recently and I can understand why they've given up being so diplomatic. The stadium is holding the club back, but it wouldn't be so bad if the landlord wasn't so awkward to deal with on a daily basis for no real reason that I can see other than being cheap (e.g. not replacing floodlight bulbs). Calling the stadium Grenoble Road is quite childish in the grand scheme of things, but quite effective if you want to irritate someone. It'll be interesting to see what Sky Sports refer to the ground as on Sunday. Well they kept on referring to Upton Park as The Boleyn when they made that wanky program about WHUFC leaving The Boleyn Upton Park last season, so they shouldn't have too many problems It is/was the Boleyn ground strictly speaking. Upton Park was a nickname.
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Post by oldham on Oct 7, 2016 14:40:41 GMT
Well they kept on referring to Upton Park as The Boleyn when they made that wanky program about WHUFC leaving The Boleyn Upton Park last season, so they shouldn't have too many problems It is/was the Boleyn ground strictly speaking. Upton Park was a nickname. It's name was The Boleyn Ground, it was called Upton Park by some because that's the part of East London it was in.
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Post by headingtonutd on Oct 7, 2016 15:32:24 GMT
It is/was the Boleyn ground strictly speaking. Upton Park was a nickname. It's name was The Boleyn Ground, it was called Upton Park by some because that's the part of East London it was in. Err....yes. As opposed to what I said.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 7, 2016 16:02:33 GMT
Both the club and fans need to be careful here. He is a very clever and vindictive man. Taking him on and going for him publicly might not end well. Also, let us not forget that Firoz Kassam has only ever done what the supporters of this club have told him to do. It's just that people were too busy screaming bloody murder to watch exactly HOW he was doing these things, and he played everyone like fiddles while technically doing what people asked of him. I don't like the guy, but I do fear him and what he has the ability to do to this football club. This situations requires tact both inside the club and out. Should we hide away encase we upset FK? Or grow a set and stand up for our club! Since it was built I have personally refused to call the ground by its name. Yes it can be seen as childish but I was brought up to stand up for myself. In saying that there is no point charging about in 'burn the witch' mode.. But a sensible campaign to at least highlight what a lowlife b@stard FK is in the media. Imagine that fact being covered on sky sports news and the mainstream media? Also the issue with priory needs to be pushed. FK made his money off the misery of those stuck in crap London B&Bs because they were homeless. Some bad publicity for him would do nicely! I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying think VERY carefully about what is done and how. VERY carefully. The pitchforks and the storming of the boardroom in the past has got us to where we are now - Firoz Kassam is an expert at deflecting the frustrations of people back onto themselves in the form of damaging hits and strikes. If you throw bottles at this man, they will bounce off him and smash you clean in the face. People really should have learned that by now. I have no problem with what the stadium is called, also. I have never even brought this aspect up. What I'm concerned about is a few people's suggestions that everyone start going for the throat, and the fact that the club are now clearly quite keen to rile the supporters and let it be known publicly that nasty Uncle Firoz is being mean again. This man's track record at doing the club over time and time again, while technically being encouraged and talked into a position where he was actually able to do it, is stellar. Supporters and club alike need to be careful, that is all I'm saying. Given he was walked through the door by the fans, hounded into selling the club by the fans (which led to the farcical stadium situation in the first place) and then antagonised by certain individuals with the RTB, this guy holds all of the cards. Brains are needed, not the muscle that more people are gradually starting to call for.
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 7, 2016 16:05:40 GMT
Not certain Kassam cares if you insult or arse lick him, the man is a rhino skinned c*nt so neither has any impact.
He only cares about money, would of sold his kids if he could, so only money will get his attention. Even then he will be looking for an angle to get more put of the deal.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 16:07:47 GMT
Should we hide away encase we upset FK? Or grow a set and stand up for our club! Since it was built I have personally refused to call the ground by its name. Yes it can be seen as childish but I was brought up to stand up for myself. In saying that there is no point charging about in 'burn the witch' mode.. But a sensible campaign to at least highlight what a lowlife b@stard FK is in the media. Imagine that fact being covered on sky sports news and the mainstream media? Also the issue with priory needs to be pushed. FK made his money off the misery of those stuck in crap London B&Bs because they were homeless. Some bad publicity for him would do nicely! I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying think VERY carefully about what is done and how. VERY carefully. The pitchforks and the storming of the boardroom in the past has got us to where we are now - Firoz Kassam is an expert at deflecting the frustrations of people back onto themselves in the form of damaging hits and strikes. If you throw bottles at this man, they will bounce off him and smash you clean in the face. People really should have learned that by now. I have no problem with what the stadium is called, also. I have never even brought this aspect up. What I'm concerned about is a few people's suggestions that everyone start going for the throat, and the fact that the club are now clearly quite keen to rile the supporters and let it be known publicly that nasty Uncle Firoz is being mean again. This man's track record at doing the club over time and time again, while technically being encouraged and talked into a position where he was actually able to do it, is stellar. Supporters and club alike need to be careful, that is all I'm saying. Given he was walked through the door by the fans, hounded into selling the club by the fans (which led to the farcical stadium situation in the first place) and then antagonised by certain individuals with the RTB, this guy holds all of the cards. Brains are needed, not the muscle that more people are gradually starting to call for. Exactly this. We've forced kassam into action before, him selling the club without the stadium is why we are in this situation, brought on by fans storming the board room. What ever is done needs to be well thought through or it could end up massively biting us on the ass again.
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Post by billyox on Oct 7, 2016 17:21:40 GMT
Just a thought maybe Mr k is about to start building the forth stand himself and doesn't want anything in his way
Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 7, 2016 17:23:13 GMT
Did we ever really force Kassam into anything? He sold the club when he wanted to, and only without the ground. He never really wanted the club so forced is a bit strong.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 17:24:33 GMT
Did we ever really force Kassam into anything? He sold the club when he wanted to, and only without the ground. He never really wanted the club so forced is a bit strong. He sold the club after he had his board room stormed, he had never said it was up for sale before that
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 7, 2016 17:32:20 GMT
Did we ever really force Kassam into anything? He sold the club when he wanted to, and only without the ground. He never really wanted the club so forced is a bit strong. He sold the club after he had his board room stormed, he had never said it was up for sale before that Talks were going on before that. He got to paint it as the reason but he would of sold the club to any idiot who wanted to buy it without the ground. Merry was on the scene before that day. Kassam never cared about the football club, he wanted the Manor and the Grenoble road site for as cheap as possible, owning the club was the only way to get that. As soon as all that was secure and he had profited he was happy to let the club go. I know he was touting the club around, just couldn't find a big enough mug to take that deal until no socks Merry came along. The storming of the boardroom was theatre that had no effect on the end result.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 17:40:03 GMT
He was in talks with another party by all accounts that did want to buy both together. Fans jumped at the involvement of jim and nick and we ended up worse off. He's a business man like has been said, no one else stepped up to take the opportunity of moving us from the manor. I agree he doesn't and probably hasn't cared about the club, maybe for a bit as a millionaires play thing but not once he realised it would cost him a packet. Ever since he has carried on as a very good business man, he will get the best deal for him and f*ck everyone else. There is one thing that he will listen to and that's serious offers of money, in the last 12 years to my knowledge, despite a lot of talk, no offer has actually been placed in front of him. Time is coming to test that, get an offer in, find out for certain what the price actually is, find if there are any other solutions that would tempt him while still working for us. That's what oxvox are doing, and will be interesting to see there findings as they are talking to all parties including fk.
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 7, 2016 18:03:09 GMT
He was in talks with another party by all accounts that did want to buy both together. Fans jumped at the involvement of jim and nick and we ended up worse off. He's a business man like has been said, no one else stepped up to take the opportunity of moving us from the manor. I agree he doesn't and probably hasn't cared about the club, maybe for a bit as a millionaires play thing but not once he realised it would cost him a packet. Ever since he has carried on as a very good business man, he will get the best deal for him and f*ck everyone else. There is one thing that he will listen to and that's serious offers of money, in the last 12 years to my knowledge, despite a lot of talk, no offer has actually been placed in front of him. Time is coming to test that, get an offer in, find out for certain what the price actually is, find if there are any other solutions that would tempt him while still working for us. That's what oxvox are doing, and will be interesting to see there findings as they are talking to all parties including fk. I would never argue he isn't a good businessman, and I think that's what you have to treat him as. He won't care whether you are nice to him, or abuse him, so no point worrying about that as all he cares about is the bottom line. The best we can hope to do, considering he holds all the cards, is get as good a deal as possible out of this situation. We will end up paying over the odds for the ground, and have years of rows over car parking, all while he builds houses on parts of the site for more profit. But that (within reason) would still be better than status quo, at least it's an asset and a bargaining chip. I think this situation is beyond fan protests/boycotts, it's down to our smart, clever businessmen getting as good a deal as they can out of a single minded, money centred, excellent businessman.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 18:07:28 GMT
Exactly that, even if it meant long term we then used the kassam plot as the development to fund a new stadium else where. Things can't go on as they are, so need to make the situation better, even if it isn't possibly the clear cut solution we would all initially think of
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Post by scoob on Oct 7, 2016 18:15:44 GMT
Others will probably know this for sure, and it may well have been brought up before, but I do believe that if the club get promoted to the Championship he is required to build a permanent fourth stand. I'm fairly sure that's a thing. IF this is true, the next two or three years could be incredibly important. If he builds one he is almost certainly going to shove flats in the corners to not just cover the cost but make a profit on the construction, as well as increasing rent in the process which will then be in place forever more as you can't unbuild that stand. You're then in a position where it's virtually impossible for the club to ever get out of there and dropping down even one division again becomes financially problematic, and even if they did buy the ground those flats are there permanently. If he tells the council he's going to build dozens of properties as part of a new structure, they're not going to say no. They need all the help they can get in providing new places of occupancy. If he dangles that carrot then the council are going to side with him regardless of the consequences for the club. I do genuinely believe, as it seems do others, that we are now in a positively crucial time for the football club. The next 24 months could define the next few decades, and if history should really have taught us anything, it's that Firoz Kassam will never rule out anything that benefits his wallet, nor will he give a second thought to anything that may happen to Oxford United. As for the temporary fourth stand, I don't think he'all ever approve it nor do I think he's ever planned to at any point. I'm pretty sure the only thing that is guaranteed (in line with the Licence signed by Merry & Co) is that the club will have to pay higher rent if we are promoted to the Championship. There is no compulsion for Kassam to do anything else.
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Post by oxymoron on Oct 7, 2016 19:41:04 GMT
He won't care whether you are nice to him, or abuse him, so no point worrying about that as all he cares about is the bottom line. What Ryan is saying is that FK doesn't get mad, he gets even...........
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 7, 2016 19:42:33 GMT
He won't care whether you are nice to him, or abuse him, so no point worrying about that as all he cares about is the bottom line. What Ryan is saying is that FK doesn't get mad, he gets even........... He doesn't even get even, he just gets richer
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Post by oxymoron on Oct 7, 2016 20:25:05 GMT
And this is exactly the kind of misconception that FK is more than happy to let you run with. The guy is worth neary £300m, he has over £13m cash in the bank. A million or two now is small change to him - indeed he gives a million a year to charity.
Now I'm not saying he will spend big to redress any perceived slight, but he will happily forego a profit to prevent those that have opposed or challenged him from doing the same.
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 7, 2016 20:33:10 GMT
And this is exactly the kind of misconception that FK is more than happy to let you run with. The guy is worth neary £300m, he has over £13m cash in the bank. A million or two now is small change to him - indeed he gives a million a year to charity. Now I'm not saying he will spend big to redress any perceived slight, but he will happily forego a profit to prevent those that have opposed or challenged him from doing the same. Nonsense, he was a slum landlord, he cares far more about money than insults. If the deal is right for Kassam then he will go for it, Leneghan tried arse licking him and it made absolutely no difference.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 7, 2016 21:13:45 GMT
FK is a modern day Rachman, if you don't know what I mean google it!
He is a vile rat who feeds on those who can't protect themselves, just like our beloved club when came sniffing around.
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