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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 29, 2011 17:22:08 GMT
Wright was not on his game at all today. Plenty of dodgy passes and what he was doing for their goal I don't know. One or two decent tackles, but nowhere near his usual standard. Brilliant game for Worley though, hardly put a foot wrong and really added to our attack a couple of times. If only they could play well at the same time
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 29, 2011 17:26:13 GMT
This all leads me to suggest that the problem with the defence is not the players but the system or the coaching. That means melville, and it is up to him to sort it out, or the powers that be to bring in someone who can.
The fact that after 22 games without a clean sheet the issue still has not been addressed suggests the latter option might be the better one.
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Post by Beav on Jan 29, 2011 17:26:30 GMT
Agree Wright, MacLean and McLaren had dodgy games Craddock probably my MOTM. No Worley actually
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 29, 2011 17:27:40 GMT
Agree Wright, MacLean and McLaren had dodgy games Craddock probably my MOTM. No Worley actually Generally agree, Worley MOTM by far. I didn't Maclaren was bad though, just not as creative as he has been a couple of times.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 29, 2011 17:28:52 GMT
Didn't tonkin get man of the match. Odd considering he gave away a pen.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 29, 2011 17:29:09 GMT
This all leads me to suggest that the problem with the defence is not the players but the system or the coaching. That means melville, and it is up to him to sort it out, or the powers that be to bring in someone who can. The fact that after 22 games without a clean sheet the issue still has not been addressed suggests the latter option might be the better one. It's very confusing that we can't seem to defend some of these simple chances, and I do wonder whether Melville has something to do with it. However, last season and early this season we had a very good defence. I just can't work out what's changed. Tonks did get man of the match, but that was never a penalty. I thought he was quite good, pacey, but lacked a cross, unlike Batt on the other side. Well, to be fair, batt does outshine our other fullbacks in most respects at the moment.
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Post by windows on Jan 29, 2011 18:39:03 GMT
Our problem at the back is wright is not big enough for the high balls, if worley misses it we are in the trouble.wHEN WE PLAY STEVENAGE I AM AFRAID WE ARE IN FOR A BATTERING UNLESS WE GET SOME MORE HEIGHT AT THE BACK.
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Post by Beav on Jan 29, 2011 18:40:58 GMT
Our problem at the back is wright is not big enough for the high balls, if worley misses it we are in the trouble.wHEN WE PLAY STEVENAGE I AM AFRAID WE ARE IN FOR A BATTERING UNLESS WE GET SOME MORE HEIGHT AT THE BACK. When has Wrights height been a physical factor of us conceding? Today it was poor judgement. I cannot remember when he's ever been outjumped.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Jan 29, 2011 18:42:59 GMT
Windows you have to be THE most negative poster i've ever come across.
Wright made an error today yes, we all know that. But I can't think of hardly any goals that have been down to his lack of height. Wright has gained us far more points than he has lost us, and for that I can certainly overlook what was a very uncharacteristic error.
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Post by Beav on Jan 29, 2011 18:44:41 GMT
Windows you have to be THE most negative poster i've ever come across. Wright made an error today yes, we all know that. But I can't think of hardly any goals that have been down to his lack of height. Wright has gained us far more points than he has lost us, and for that I can certainly overlook what was a very uncharacteristic error. I presume windows is 'lordwilliam' or 'hartlyhare' ?
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Post by Cowley Yellow on Jan 29, 2011 18:50:51 GMT
Wright was not on his game at all today. Plenty of dodgy passes and what he was doing for their goal I don't know. One or two decent tackles, but nowhere near his usual standard. [/b]Brilliant game for Worley though[/b], hardly put a foot wrong and really added to our attack a couple of times. If only they could play well at the same time [/quote] Spot on, Wright was dodgy today. Worley i thought had a very good game. Still very worried about our defence.
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Post by tedbundy on Jan 29, 2011 21:47:54 GMT
Lots of goals we are conceding are down to individual mistakes like today rather than "system" although why we cant sort out defending at set-pieces I dont know.Also quality of strikers is generally much better than in conference ..although he missed the pen Wes Thomas for instance has been really good against us in both games for insatnce so mistakes get punished!
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Post by mg on Jan 29, 2011 21:58:17 GMT
In Wright and Worley's defence (as it were) let me point out that they are the foundation of many of our attacks. They pass the ball within the defence extremely well and increasingly find the right player in the right position when bringing it out of defence. So...while it is true that there is clearly a question mark over our defensive ability at the moment (especially from set pieces), the defenders are all proving to be an attacking asset. I agree that Wright had one of his less settled games this afternoon (although he did put in a few excellent tackles) but he and Worley have brought something to the our game as a whole which has been absent in the past few years.
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Post by windows on Jan 29, 2011 22:02:00 GMT
Two big attackers and we will be in trouble wait and see. I am not negative, i look at the overall game and that is how i see it. Over time we will see who is right.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Jan 29, 2011 22:10:47 GMT
It's almost as if you want us to fail so you can turn round and say "look i was right". Over time we will see that Wright and Worley are both exceptional players who will turn in to an excellent partnership for us.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 29, 2011 22:11:41 GMT
In Wright and Worley's defence (as it were) let me point out that they are the foundation of many of our attacks. They pass the ball within the defence extremely well and increasingly find the right player in the right position when bringing it out of defence. So...while it is true that there is clearly a question mark over our defensive ability at the moment (especially from set pieces), the defenders are all proving to be an attacking asset. I agree that Wright had one of his less settled games this afternoon (although he did put in a few excellent tackles) but he and Worley have brought something to the our game as a whole which has been absent in the past few years. I don't think there necessarily is a question over their defensive ability. We know their quality as defenders, for me the problem is something in the system or in the way they are coached. Even if Wright suffers from a lack of stature it does not follow that he cannot head the ball. Skill in the air is something that can be coached so that even the smallest players can be good. Likewise a lack of experience in worley can be compensated for by good coaching and a sympathetic system.
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Post by oxyellow on Jan 29, 2011 22:17:36 GMT
Wright was poor today, a lot of sloppy passing, and left the ball for Clarke when their centre forward scored, when he should have instead been attempting to clear it. He has made a couple of mistakes this season, like looking back to the gillingham home game where he pretty much passed it directly to macdonald to score for them. But he is a quality player for us most of the time, and just like any other professional, is bound to have the odd poor game once in a while.
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Post by billyox on Jan 29, 2011 22:34:51 GMT
wrights mistake today was something that he should of been taught when he was 7 years old dont let the ball bounce it is as simple as that
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 29, 2011 22:42:32 GMT
We had height at the back. But people endlessly moaned about him so he went back to his parent club on a chorus of boos.
Wright had an off game today, no doubt, and it is concerning about the clean sheets (and the lack thereof) but also remember how young and inexperienced this team is. We can't have it all.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 29, 2011 23:20:49 GMT
We had height at the back. But people endlessly moaned about him so he went back to his parent club on a chorus of boos. Wright had an off game today, no doubt, and it is concerning about the clean sheets (and the lack thereof) but also remember how young and inexperienced this team is. We can't have it all. He went back not because we moaned about him (although we did) but because Wilder did not want to keep him ie did not rate him.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Jan 29, 2011 23:28:44 GMT
I can't believe people are questioning Jake Wright. The lad is utter class. Even with the odd error any team in this league would have him in a heartbeat.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 29, 2011 23:37:29 GMT
He went back not because we moaned about him (although we did) but because Wilder did not want to keep him ie did not rate him. Futcher went back because Wright got fit. You can interchange Sangare, Franks, Gaughan and Futcher and probably not find much of a difference between them other than one is taller than the others. Oh and Sangare and Gaughan are probably cheaper.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 29, 2011 23:52:13 GMT
He went back not because we moaned about him (although we did) but because Wilder did not want to keep him ie did not rate him. Futcher went back because Wright got fit. You can interchange Sangare, Franks, Gaughan and Futcher and probably not find much of a difference between them other than one is taller than the others. Oh and Sangare and Gaughan are probably cheaper. Nah, despite what Wilder said, he went back because he was pants. If he had played well while he was here then, well, he would still be here. He came in to replace Creighton in the squad and he replaced Worley in the team.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jan 29, 2011 23:58:14 GMT
Futcher might have been tall, but he couldn't/wouldn't jump for headers, which made the fact completely irrelevant. And he was a bit of a donkey on the floor as well, if we're honest.
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Post by windows on Jan 30, 2011 13:51:29 GMT
I do not doubt wrights capabilities as a defender,all i have said is we lack height at the back. Some games we may have to use either Sangare or Gaugne as a extra defender heightwise. and maybe use wright in a sweeper mode.That is presuming they are good in the air.Our defensive problems seem to be when we push up the wingbacks we get caught on the break.As for set pieces we are so vulnerable because we havent got anybody to attack the ball worley excused. to head it out.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 14:56:30 GMT
I do not doubt wrights capabilities as a defender,all i have said is we lack height at the back. Some games we may have to use either Sangare or Gaugne as a extra defender heightwise. and maybe use wright in a sweeper mode.That is presuming they are good in the air.Our defensive problems seem to be when we push up the wingbacks we get caught on the break.As for set pieces we are so vulnerable because we havent got anybody to attack the ball worley excused. to head it out. But the full backs are one of our most attacking areas, from time to time they will leave a hole although this is where the extra CM should come in. I would much rather see a team who's full backs bomb on and on occasions leave holes than a more defensive minded one.
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Post by Cowley Yellow on Jan 30, 2011 20:59:33 GMT
I can't believe people are questioning Jake Wright. I'm not, he had one bad game. Individually Wright and Worley are quality players, but i agree with other posters thoughts that it maybe the system or coaching that's the problem.
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Post by topfanoufc on Jan 31, 2011 12:49:28 GMT
With regard to height, I remember last season when Wright played against J Lo. J Lo had previously given Creighton a torrid time and won everything in the air. However, against Wright he never go a sniff. Wright is obviously not the tallest but I've yet to see him dominated by somebody who is.
In terms of the coaching, I think we need to look at the way we are setting up to defend corners as it's clearly not working. That is down to the coaches. However on Saturday, Wright simply left a ball he should have cleared. That comes down to split second decision making and it would be tough to blame Melville or whoever for that decision.
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 31, 2011 12:54:33 GMT
Our problem at the back is wright is not big enough for the high balls, if worley misses it we are in the trouble.wHEN WE PLAY STEVENAGE I AM AFRAID WE ARE IN FOR A BATTERING UNLESS WE GET SOME MORE HEIGHT AT THE BACK. When has Wrights height been a physical factor of us conceding? Today it was poor judgement. I cannot remember when he's ever been outjumped. What about all the goals we concede from crosses and corners?
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Post by topfanoufc on Jan 31, 2011 13:28:31 GMT
This is down to poor marking, not being outjumped or outmuscled.
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