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Post by thesecretposter on Dec 22, 2015 23:09:45 GMT
So I went to see this today and thought I'd give my reaction to it. I saw it in IMAX 3D which was a first for me and would highly recommend it if you haven't experienced it.
I've always been a fan of the Star Wars films. I II and III had a lot of criticism from the overload of CGI to certain characters mainly Jar Jar Binks (who I actually didn't mind). So episode VII had a lot to make up for in certain respects. I said I was a fan but didn't realise how much until the opening scrolling text started and the Star Wars theme kicked in, I was actually pretty emotional!
The film in my opinion is a true Star Wars film and is testament to JJ Abrams and all involved however, it's almost a carbon copy of A New Hope in parts and is a pretty safe film. Brining back the original characters was a big plus point and they all have the same qualities that they had in the original trilogy. The new characters are also great and blend in perfectly with the old, notable is the Finn/Rey/Han/Chewy collaboration. I'm not so sure about the New Order villains. Kylo Ren is probably the best out of the lot. General Hux just isn't evil enough Capitan Phasma although a Bobba Fettesque character was captured far too easily but I'm sure will have a bigger part to play in the next 2 films and Supreme Leader Snoke wasn't in it enough to really make a judgement on, seems as though he could be an evil fuc*er though. The killing off of Han Solo was probably the biggest surprise of the film but given Ford originally asked for him to be killed off back when he played the character originally it's not that much of a shock and a brave move by Abrams. I already knew this happened before I saw the film due to the draw of spoilers being too much for me to handle but I still wanted to cry a little especially for Chewy and in hindsight I wish I hadn't spoilt it!
Although the film followed a fairly proven and safe plot it gets you thinking throughout about what is to come and it's not really until the final scene and after the credits role you start to ask questions. Who is Rey? (probably Luke's daughter), how will the resistance carry on fighting without the backing of republic (as it's destroyed), can Luke snap out of his obvious guilt and begin to train Jedi again (or at least Rey) and what will happen in the next film?
Regardless of whether you are a fan or not it's a highly enjoyable film and a well made one at that. The release of episode VIII in 2017 is an age away but I'm sure they will keep fans chomping at the bit with trailers and TV spots and it will be upon us in no time. The Force is definitely strong with this instalment!
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Post by MJB on Dec 22, 2015 23:11:47 GMT
Absolutely loved it. Fantastic cinema.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Dec 22, 2015 23:28:37 GMT
Cracking film, still leaves a lot of questions to be answered, can't wait for the next one
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Post by Colin B on Dec 22, 2015 23:33:23 GMT
Geeks.
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 23, 2015 0:36:30 GMT
Went to see it today, thought it was great, took my younger girlfriend and she didn't have clue and looked bored.
Depends when you were born I suppose, for some of us star wars was massive when you were growing up, I was born just before the first film so was a kid for the sequels and had the toys etc.
I should imagine if you are to old or young its a geek thing but for me and my mates, most of whom are miles away from that description its nostalgia and then a bit more.
Disney have hit a goldmine buying it all, have a deep ng they will make that £4 billion back a couple of rimes over.
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Post by SteMerritt on Dec 23, 2015 8:48:34 GMT
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Post by brassmonkey on Dec 23, 2015 8:48:42 GMT
Really enjoyed it being a star wars geek
how did finn survive after having a light sabre nail him? maybe he is lando's son
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Post by MJB on Dec 23, 2015 11:25:29 GMT
Went to see it today, thought it was great, took my younger girlfriend and she didn't have clue and looked bored. Depends when you were born I suppose, for some of us star wars was massive when you were growing up, I was born just before the first film so was a kid for the sequels and had the toys etc. I should imagine if you are to old or young its a geek thing but for me and my mates, most of whom are miles away from that description its nostalgia and then a bit more. Disney have hit a goldmine buying it all, have a deep ng they will make that £4 billion back a couple of rimes over. What did your older girlfriend make of it?
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Post by SteMerritt on Dec 23, 2015 11:46:43 GMT
Went to see it today, thought it was great, took my younger girlfriend and she didn't have clue and looked bored. Depends when you were born I suppose, for some of us star wars was massive when you were growing up, I was born just before the first film so was a kid for the sequels and had the toys etc. I should imagine if you are to old or young its a geek thing but for me and my mates, most of whom are miles away from that description its nostalgia and then a bit more. Disney have hit a goldmine buying it all, have a deep ng they will make that £4 billion back a couple of rimes over. What did your older girlfriend make of it? Nearly asked that very same question myself
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 23, 2015 12:48:25 GMT
What did your older girlfriend make of it? Nearly asked that very same question myself They wouldn't let Elsie out of the home for it.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 23, 2015 21:24:50 GMT
I found it quite underwhelming. The action sequences were consistently good to excellent, and far and away improvements on Episode 1 to 3 - back to the original trilogy. It wasn't all CGI which on modern movie standards is fantastic - its a reason why I've largely given up on movies.
The story was awful. If I'd known what a rehash it was, I'd have waited for the DVD. It's a summation of episodes 4 to 6 with a slight twist. It was so lazy I pretty much knew what would happen 10 minutes in, and have a good idea of what will be in the next 2 films. But... I would imagine the young uns that have seen it, would have absolutely loved it and will buy the merch and go to the films again.
There were some nerdy bits that annoyed me. Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do), a character who has not flown a star ship can just do it and non-Jedis can pick up lightsabers and use them. Some of the plot points directly contradicted Episode 4.
And how many of you missed the Daniel Craig cameo?
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 23, 2015 21:44:03 GMT
I found it quite underwhelming. The action sequences were consistently good to excellent, and far and away improvements on Episode 1 to 3 - back to the original trilogy. It wasn't all CGI which on modern movie standards is fantastic - its a reason why I've largely given up on movies. The story was awful. If I'd known what a rehash it was, I'd have waited for the DVD. It's a summation of episodes 4 to 6 with a slight twist. It was so lazy I pretty much knew what would happen 10 minutes in, and have a good idea of what will be in the next 2 films. But... I would imagine the young uns that have seen it, would have absolutely loved it and will buy the merch and go to the films again. There were some nerdy bits that annoyed me. Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do), a character who has not flown a star ship can just do it and non-Jedis can pick up lightsabers and use them. Some of the plot points directly contradicted Episode 4. And how many of you missed the Daniel Craig cameo? Its like comic book guy from the Simpsons wrote that, especially the "nerdy bits".
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 23, 2015 21:50:13 GMT
I found it quite underwhelming. The action sequences were consistently good to excellent, and far and away improvements on Episode 1 to 3 - back to the original trilogy. It wasn't all CGI which on modern movie standards is fantastic - its a reason why I've largely given up on movies. The story was awful. If I'd known what a rehash it was, I'd have waited for the DVD. It's a summation of episodes 4 to 6 with a slight twist. It was so lazy I pretty much knew what would happen 10 minutes in, and have a good idea of what will be in the next 2 films. But... I would imagine the young uns that have seen it, would have absolutely loved it and will buy the merch and go to the films again. There were some nerdy bits that annoyed me. Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do), a character who has not flown a star ship can just do it and non-Jedis can pick up lightsabers and use them. Some of the plot points directly contradicted Episode 4. And how many of you missed the Daniel Craig cameo? Its like comic book guy from the Simpsons wrote that, especially the "nerdy bits". Some of the nerdy bits are kind of important though. You take a premise in film 4 and make it a big point of the film, and ignore it later. From a nerd like JJ Abrams, I'm kind of surprised he let it through
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Post by MJB on Dec 23, 2015 21:54:17 GMT
Its like comic book guy from the Simpsons wrote that, especially the "nerdy bits". Some of the nerdy bits are kind of important though. You take a premise in film 4 and make it a big point of the film, and ignore it later. From a nerd like JJ Abrams, I'm kind of surprised he let it through Well... Attachments:
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 23, 2015 22:06:20 GMT
I did think in the film whether I was getting the Star Wars version of Harry Potter's version of Star Wars (which was itself cribbed from elsewhere). You're a wizard Rylo!
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 23, 2015 22:12:44 GMT
I just like the fact that they shoot things and they blow up, the film rattles a long at a good pace, especially compared to the dull prequels.
If you want intricate plot details, depth etc you are better off with TV series/box sets type of thing, movies can't really compete with the game of thrones,breaking bad, walking deads etc for story telling, they don't have the time.
A star wars HBO type series would of been quality thinking of it, money dictates that that's not going to ever be though.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 23, 2015 22:35:40 GMT
I just like the fact that they shoot things and they blow up, the film rattles a long at a good pace, especially compared to the dull prequels. If you want intricate plot details, depth etc you are better off with TV series/box sets type of thing, movies can't really compete with the game of thrones,breaking bad, walking deads etc for story telling, they don't have the time. A star wars HBO type series would of been quality thinking of it, money dictates that that's not going to ever be though. I wasn't looking for an intricate plot. Just something less obviously and blatantly copied from earlier in the same series of films! I really enjoyed the action scenes, don't get me wrong. The Millennium Falcon flying through the star destroyer was really well shot and paced. It really worked well on screen. It would have been nice to know why all that Imperial hardware was left on Jukka.
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Post by yellows9 on Dec 23, 2015 22:51:51 GMT
I was in the new film, just saying
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 23, 2015 23:13:01 GMT
I just like the fact that they shoot things and they blow up, the film rattles a long at a good pace, especially compared to the dull prequels. If you want intricate plot details, depth etc you are better off with TV series/box sets type of thing, movies can't really compete with the game of thrones,breaking bad, walking deads etc for story telling, they don't have the time. A star wars HBO type series would of been quality thinking of it, money dictates that that's not going to ever be though. I wasn't looking for an intricate plot. Just something less obviously and blatantly copied from earlier in the same series of films! I really enjoyed the action scenes, don't get me wrong. The Millennium Falcon flying through the star destroyer was really well shot and paced. It really worked well on screen. It would have been nice to know why all that Imperial hardware was left on Jukka. They did a lot of explaining in the prequels though,slowed it right down, that and all the endless meetings. I think that the copying was Abrams homage to the earlier films, with a few inversions, the next two films will probably go their own way now the story is started, it left a lot of questions unanswered. Restarting a huge franchise is notoriously difficult, having to please old fans and attract new ones, especially with the money riding on it, I think the writors just about got it right and will have a bit more freedom next film.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 24, 2015 8:31:46 GMT
Thought it was good, sabre fights are a lot slower than the full on battle in the first 3 with yoda kicking ass. New character worked well, funny Harrison ford doesn't actually look older compared to the other 2. Good that it leaves u wanting more, who is Ray ? Was a bit of a throw back to a previous film but good to link old and new characters ready for the next 2.
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Post by thesecretposter on Dec 24, 2015 10:17:14 GMT
I found it quite underwhelming. The action sequences were consistently good to excellent, and far and away improvements on Episode 1 to 3 - back to the original trilogy. It wasn't all CGI which on modern movie standards is fantastic - its a reason why I've largely given up on movies. The story was awful. If I'd known what a rehash it was, I'd have waited for the DVD. It's a summation of episodes 4 to 6 with a slight twist. It was so lazy I pretty much knew what would happen 10 minutes in, and have a good idea of what will be in the next 2 films. But... I would imagine the young uns that have seen it, would have absolutely loved it and will buy the merch and go to the films again. There were some nerdy bits that annoyed me. Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do), a character who has not flown a star ship can just do it and non-Jedis can pick up lightsabers and use them. Some of the plot points directly contradicted Episode 4. And how many of you missed the Daniel Craig cameo? Probably every single one of us that have seen it. Neither Abrams or Craig have confirmed he was in it and given he was rumoured to be playing a stormtrooper we wouldn't have known it was him anyway
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Post by SteMerritt on Dec 24, 2015 10:29:43 GMT
Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do) You don't think it possible that in the space of 30 years they couldn't find a way to upgrade the standard TIE weaponary?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 24, 2015 13:51:48 GMT
Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do) You don't think it possible that in the space of 30 years they couldn't find a way to upgrade the standard TIE weaponary? It depends on what part of the expanded universe they reference from
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 24, 2015 14:05:17 GMT
I wasn't looking for an intricate plot. Just something less obviously and blatantly copied from earlier in the same series of films! I really enjoyed the action scenes, don't get me wrong. The Millennium Falcon flying through the star destroyer was really well shot and paced. It really worked well on screen. It would have been nice to know why all that Imperial hardware was left on Jukka. They did a lot of explaining in the prequels though,slowed it right down, that and all the endless meetings. I think that the copying was Abrams homage to the earlier films, with a few inversions, the next two films will probably go their own way now the story is started, it left a lot of questions unanswered. Restarting a huge franchise is notoriously difficult, having to please old fans and attract new ones, especially with the money riding on it, I think the writors just about got it right and will have a bit more freedom next film. I agree, the prequels were unnecessarily slow and long winded with stilted dialogue. Within them, there were better films than we got to see. Sadly. Agree on restarting. But it could have been a lot less obvious and lazy from Disney. There are many ways to alter a droid with a big secret being found on a desert planet by a young person who is strong in the force into something different and exciting! Thankfully one of the head honchos from Breaking Bad is in on the next 2 films, so hopefully we get to see a more dynamic film that maintains good pacing next time.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 24, 2015 14:07:06 GMT
It had more comedy than any starwars film to date
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 24, 2015 14:07:11 GMT
I found it quite underwhelming. The action sequences were consistently good to excellent, and far and away improvements on Episode 1 to 3 - back to the original trilogy. It wasn't all CGI which on modern movie standards is fantastic - its a reason why I've largely given up on movies. The story was awful. If I'd known what a rehash it was, I'd have waited for the DVD. It's a summation of episodes 4 to 6 with a slight twist. It was so lazy I pretty much knew what would happen 10 minutes in, and have a good idea of what will be in the next 2 films. But... I would imagine the young uns that have seen it, would have absolutely loved it and will buy the merch and go to the films again. There were some nerdy bits that annoyed me. Tie Fighters don't have missiles (Tie Interceptors do), a character who has not flown a star ship can just do it and non-Jedis can pick up lightsabers and use them. Some of the plot points directly contradicted Episode 4. And how many of you missed the Daniel Craig cameo? Probably every single one of us that have seen it. Neither Abrams or Craig have confirmed he was in it and given he was rumoured to be playing a stormtrooper we wouldn't have known it was him anyway I didn't spot it initially until he said something and the penny dropped. If you hear it again, its really obvious.
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 24, 2015 14:41:38 GMT
Probably every single one of us that have seen it. Neither Abrams or Craig have confirmed he was in it and given he was rumoured to be playing a stormtrooper we wouldn't have known it was him anyway I didn't spot it initially until he said something and the penny dropped. If you hear it again, its really obvious. When and who in the film is he then?
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Post by thesecretposter on Dec 24, 2015 15:03:06 GMT
I didn't spot it initially until he said something and the penny dropped. If you hear it again, its really obvious. When and who in the film is he then? He's rumoured to have been a stormtrooper but I could say I was in one of the costumes and no one could prove or disprove it really.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 24, 2015 15:32:13 GMT
When and who in the film is he then? He's rumoured to have been a stormtrooper but I could say I was in one of the costumes and no one could prove or disprove it really. Can I have your autograph ?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 24, 2015 22:00:17 GMT
I didn't spot it initially until he said something and the penny dropped. If you hear it again, its really obvious. When and who in the film is he then? He was the Storm Trooper when Rey used the Jedi mind trick to get out of restraints. It was only the last bit where he dropped the gun that that the penny dropped at who it was. I'd forgotten he was rumoured to be in it. I did like the fact the Falcon kept the same old crappy gun sights as in episode 4. A nice touch.
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