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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 14, 2015 19:23:06 GMT
Just back from Burton. What a dog turd of a performance that was. I didn't go to Accrington, but was at Stevenage and I couldn't believe the difference.
Firstly, this was not a game for Whing. Burton don't play like the chavs do and the pitch was a lot better. That fact lead to a horrible reappearance of side to side tippy tappy in defence,all done at glacier like speed. And always ending with a long ball anyway. So there was lots of risk for no benefit. The midfield was entirely absent, so there was no outlet anyway. It was often hoofed up to Hoban, who seemed to be playing n his own up front much if the time. He didn't have his best game, but it was a thankless task. We hardly got into the opposition part of the pitch in the first half. Throughout the game all the old Appleton trademarks emerged. The pointless sideways and backwards passing, the overly intricate play on the margins of the pitch, the free kicks taken to a man 5 yards away, the refusal by the manager to make any change to personnel or system until it was too late.
Not all him though. Players who can't pass the ball five yards, who can't trap the ball, can't take the ball with them when they run, won't challenge for the ball,won't move off the ball and until the last 10 minutes can hardly be bothered to get up to a trot.
IF I were Mr Eales I'd close the purse strings and insist that Appleton shows that he is capable of actually building a TEAM rather than assembling a collection of individuals. Appleton is, quite frankly, clueless.
A complete waste of a day. Is there any point in waiting until the Mansfield match? Appleton out. Doris the tea lady couldn't do worse.
Edit - if there were any positives it was the performances of CoD and (admittedly not much more than a cameo) Roofe
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Post by uptheus on Feb 14, 2015 19:57:30 GMT
Just back from Burton. What a dog turd of a performance that was. I didn't go to Accrington, but was at Stevenage and I couldn't believe the difference. Firstly, this was not a game for Whing. Burton don't play like the chavs do and the pitch was a lot better. That fact lead to a horrible reappearance of side to side tippy tappy in defence,all done at glacier like speed. And always ending with a long ball anyway. So there was lots of risk for no benefit. The midfield was entirely absent, so there was no outlet anyway. It was often hoofed up to Hoban, who seemed to be playing n his own up front much if the time. He didn't have his best game, but it was a thankless task. We hardly got into the opposition part of the pitch in the first half. Throughout the game all the old Appleton trademarks emerged. The pointless sideways and backwards passing, the overly intricate play on the margins of the pitch, the free kicks taken to a man 5 yards away, the refusal by the manager to make any change to personnel or system until it was too late. Not all him though. Players who can't pass the ball five yards, who can't trap the ball, can't take the ball with them when they run, won't challenge for the ball,won't move off the ball and until the last 10 minutes can hardly be bothered to get up to a trot. IF I were Mr Eales I'd close the purse strings and insist that Appleton shows that he is capable of actually building a TEAM rather than assembling a collection of individuals. Appleton is, quite frankly, clueless. A complete waste of a day. Is there any point in waiting until the Mansfield match? Appleton out. Doris the tea lady couldn't do worse. Edit - if there were any positives it was the performances of CoD and (admittedly not much more than a cameo) Roofe Totally agree, and also think it's time to part company with Appleton.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:19:00 GMT
I have just got back also.
a predictable defeat but many aspects of the performance were worrying.
The side obviously lacks confidence and MAP's tactical approach appears chaotic to my eyes.
I feel sorry for some of the players who are clearly struggling to understand, adapt to or prosper in some of MAP's grand designs.
I feel sorry for COD who struggled manfully to make something of the slow sideways balls he kept receiving on the wing (or worse still, hopeful punts in his general direction)
I feel sorry for Andy Whing who hovered uneasily as a sort of fifth defender - clearly baffled about what he is supposed to be doing.
I feel for Roberts -given all of five minutes to rescue the match.
I find it hard to critique a tactical plan I simply cannot see let alone understand.
That said, we played well for maybe twenty minutes in the second half, Roofe had some refreshing quality touches (but he ain't a player to run through the walls of a wendy house for any manager), we defended well in patches and Burton didn't create that much. We hit the bar late on and they were lucky not to gift us a penalty too.
We may yet escape relegation - but my optimism about next season is taking knocks as the weeks go by.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:25:50 GMT
Just back from Burton. What a dog turd of a performance that was. I didn't go to Accrington, but was at Stevenage and I couldn't believe the difference. Firstly, this was not a game for Whing. Burton don't play like the chavs do and the pitch was a lot better. That fact lead to a horrible reappearance of side to side tippy tappy in defence,all done at glacier like speed. And always ending with a long ball anyway. So there was lots of risk for no benefit. The midfield was entirely absent, so there was no outlet anyway. It was often hoofed up to Hoban, who seemed to be playing n his own up front much if the time. He didn't have his best game, but it was a thankless task. We hardly got into the opposition part of the pitch in the first half. Throughout the game all the old Appleton trademarks emerged. The pointless sideways and backwards passing, the overly intricate play on the margins of the pitch, the free kicks taken to a man 5 yards away, the refusal by the manager to make any change to personnel or system until it was too late. Not all him though. Players who can't pass the ball five yards, who can't trap the ball, can't take the ball with them when they run, won't challenge for the ball,won't move off the ball and until the last 10 minutes can hardly be bothered to get up to a trot. IF I were Mr Eales I'd close the purse strings and insist that Appleton shows that he is capable of actually building a TEAM rather than assembling a collection of individuals. Appleton is, quite frankly, clueless. A complete waste of a day. Is there any point in waiting until the Mansfield match? Appleton out. Doris the tea lady couldn't do worse. Edit - if there were any positives it was the performances of CoD and (admittedly not much more than a cameo) Roofe Great report ZtH, but so sad to read. On the 'Appleton out' thread I suggested we might have expected to lose away to the second placed team, and that I wouldn't be calling for his head unless we failed to beat Mansfield. Having read your report, I tend to agree that he might as well go now. To lose at Burton would have been no disgrace; to lose in that manner is dreadful. Appleton out. Now.
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Post by lincolnyellow1 on Feb 14, 2015 20:39:22 GMT
Back home for 6.30pm (after stealing 5 minutes by leaving the ground when the 2nd goal went in) I text radio Oxford at half time saying - We lack ideas We lack togetherness We are playing too deep Burton are first to every 2nd ball (the 1st goal was testament to that) Today will almost certainly end in a defeat if we do not improve in the 2nd half. . We could have come home at half time as NOTHING changed in the 2nd period. A very disappointing team performance even though every player did show glimpses of what they can do but with no consistency. . Someone on the forum posted last week saying that although we played better against Luton, the Accrington result and performance showed we are just papering over the CRACKS...... After today the CRACKS appear to be deeper than we first thought........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:07:08 GMT
I have just got back also. I feel sorry for some of the players who are clearly struggling to understand, adapt to or prosper in some of MAP's grand designs. With 40 different players used in the squad they're probably learning the names of team mates each week so it's no wonder they look fragmented and clueless. It goes back to the root cause which is not only a very tactless manager but a chaotic transfer policy (regardless of how well intentioned and ambitious it may be)
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Post by unification on Feb 14, 2015 21:07:18 GMT
Welcome to the Appleton Out club, ZTH. I can't say its a club I want to be a member of but it's where I have been firmly camped for some time.
Your report suggests that Appleton hasn't learnt anything as I sincerely hoped he had after the reasonable Stevenage/Luton results. To have over 100 games under his managerial belt and not being able to put in at least some tactical input against a managerial novice in Hasselbaink just shows how out of his depth he is.
It's been a poor season. Sacking the prat now may save it from being a tragic one.
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Post by slick2484 on Feb 14, 2015 21:15:28 GMT
Didn't go today, but just saw on twitter from the burton website, Jimmy floydd said that was the best Burton had played for him. I'm annoyed over our consistency and we should be beating teams like Accrington, but if they are 2nd in the league and that's their best performance for JFH, was it really that bad today ?
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Post by androidyellow2 on Feb 14, 2015 21:31:27 GMT
Went to my first away game in a long while today, and I must agree Burton were all in all better than us! But there were some positives Baldock & Roofe look good, still think Clarke needs dropping even if for one or two games, COD good as usual. Not great from Hylton though
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 14, 2015 21:39:14 GMT
Didn't go today, but just saw on twitter from the burton website, Jimmy floydd said that was the best Burton had played for him. I'm annoyed over our consistency and we should be beating teams like Accrington, but if they are 2nd in the league and that's their best performance for JFH, was it really that bad today ? Yes, I'm sorry to say it was that bad. I didn't think Burton were that good. What they were was organised, playing as a team and capable of doing simple things well. They were a million miles away from being as good as Shrewsbury were. L2 isn't a particularly strong league this year - which makes our performances in general even more disheartening. It's possible that someone who was there today will come on here and tell you Burton were brilliant and we weren't actually that poor - but I very much doubt it.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 14, 2015 21:43:18 GMT
Went to my first away game in a long while today, and I must agree Burton were all in all better than us! But there were some positives Baldock & Roofe look good, still think Clarke needs dropping even if for one or two games, COD good as usual. Not great from Hylton though I thought Baldock was fairly anonymous really. Clarke didn't do much wrong apart from his distribution which was obviously being done under orders. Hylton was getting really wound up - I think he was really really frustrated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:48:17 GMT
Didn't go today, but just saw on twitter from the burton website, Jimmy floydd said that was the best Burton had played for him. I'm annoyed over our consistency and we should be beating teams like Accrington, but if they are 2nd in the league and that's their best performance for JFH, was it really that bad today ?
That's a fair point.
What's frustrating is that once we switched to 4-4-2 and brought Roofe on, we looked the better side for twenty minutes and were perhaps a little unlucky not to equalise.
But it was too little too late.
The role of tactics in a football match is to get the best out of what you have. Our tactics for 70 minutes today did not do that.
What is the difference between Burton & Oxford? Budget? Players? or Management?
I find it hard to believe its the budget.
Their front four looked tricky in patches but unremarkable for L2. The rest of team looked workmanlike (not a patch on Shrewsbury or Luton)
Burton play a high energy pressing style and are well organised - we have seen this before in L2 (!) - they inevitably tired in the latter stages of the game but by then we were chasing it.
Once again we found a way to lose. This time against a team who do nothing REMARKABLE - but do the basics REMARKABLY WELL.
I submit to you that that is a management problem - two symptoms of which are frequent tactical meddling and a chaotic transfer policy.
I am not (yet) in favour of changing the manager - but our league position is perilous and there are only so many breezy press conferences from MAP that I can stand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:54:13 GMT
A few additional points.
We dare not rest Clarke at the moment.
Hylton is frustrated because he has no service.
Baldock was calm and steady.
Burton were NOT brilliant (I think JFH is working the post match manager sales pitch tbh) - they were better than us.
Roofe HAS quality - but he sure doesn't look like the man for a L2 relegation scrap.
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Post by cowleyox on Feb 14, 2015 21:57:19 GMT
I went today and our performance and tactics were utterly incoherent. I was always sceptical about him when he was first appointed. He has a terrible managerial record and is clearly more delusional than CW. Something needs to change cause I can't see things getting better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 22:02:47 GMT
You'd think he'd have learnt by now (since ever fan can see it clear as day) to play 442 and only use Whing on mud baths away from home against bruiser sides
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 22:08:44 GMT
The problem is we have good players who are frustrated at not winning, because Appleton can't motivate them. His actions from the sidelines do not portray him as angry when things go wrong. Has he lost the dressing room?
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Post by lincolnyellow1 on Feb 14, 2015 22:21:01 GMT
Question - on defending a set piece (ie) a corner..........? . 1 - Do you put all 10 players In a defensive position which invariably invites the attacking team to bring all their 10 outfield players into an attacking position, thus increasing their chances of scoring a goal Or 2 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle so at least two defenders will invariably stay back to mark you, which will decrease their attacking numbers and (slightly) reduce their chances of scoring Or 3 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle as listed above but also put your winger with explosive pace in a wide position between the 18 yard box and the half way line picking up the peices if a loose ball gets knocked out of the box or the defending goal keeper catches the ball and distributes it quickly to start a surprise counter attack with the chasing pack blowing out of their arses, thus increasing the chances of the team defending the corner scoring a goal. . The question has arisen with the Burton Albion match in mind (for those who were there) If you are of the opinion that option 2 or 3 may be the route to go then you are probably more knowledgable about the game we love than you probably give yourself credit for. If you are of the opinion that option 1 is the correct answer then your name must be Micheal Appleton............ We invited un nessasary pressure on ourselves today in these situations without most of our players knowing exactly where they should be and who they should be marking. BASICS............
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Post by bazzer9461 on Feb 14, 2015 22:35:48 GMT
Can anybody who was there today did they witness all the sh*t at the end of the game between our fans and there muppet stewards? RADOX were reporting it I didn't catch what southy said?
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Post by roley on Feb 14, 2015 22:48:19 GMT
The steward was taking the p*ss out of Oxford fans i think your find.
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Post by scottie on Feb 14, 2015 22:56:18 GMT
I think you have to give some credit to Burton here, they got it tactically bang on, there off the ball work rate was good and they were in our face as soon as we has possession. Every time COD got the ball he had two players on him. MAP again got the tactics badly wrong and he really doesn't have a plan B to counter the Burton tactics. When we did switch to 442 we looked better and started to gain more control in midfield, but again to late in the game.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 14, 2015 22:58:40 GMT
What did he do?
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Post by bristoloxman on Feb 14, 2015 23:01:21 GMT
Didn't go today, but just saw on twitter from the burton website, Jimmy floydd said that was the best Burton had played for him. I'm annoyed over our consistency and we should be beating teams like Accrington, but if they are 2nd in the league and that's their best performance for JFH, was it really that bad today ? Quotes like this are irrelevant, managers need to keep the motivation high and he would say stuff like that to keep them going into final 1/4. we should be beating ( or at least competing ) with anyone in this league.
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Post by Mark on Feb 14, 2015 23:01:58 GMT
Still not back waiting for last train at reading. . But why don't we at least leave O'Dowda in our half of the centre circle when we are defending corners / free kicks.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Feb 14, 2015 23:24:23 GMT
The steward was taking the p*ss out of Oxford fans i think your find. Cheers roley f*king w*nkers hope they got shit from the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 23:48:15 GMT
The steward was taking the p*ss out of Oxford fans i think your find. Cheers roley f*king w*nkers hope they got shit from the boys. Didn't see or hear any lip from Burton's stewards (it would have been highly unprofessional had they done so) but their goalie mouthed some stuff and gave us some sardonic looks at the end of the game. one bloke tried to get on the pitch to go after their goalie but nothing came of it I left soon after that
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Post by bazzer9461 on Feb 15, 2015 0:13:56 GMT
Cheers roley f*king w*nkers hope they got shit from the boys. Didn't see or hear any lip from Burton's stewards (it would have been highly unprofessional had they done so) but their goalie mouthed some stuff and gave us some sardonic looks at the end of the game. one bloke tried to get on the pitch to go after their goalie but nothing came of it I left soon after that Thanks greenmurphy
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Post by theyellowfence on Feb 15, 2015 0:18:20 GMT
Question - on defending a set piece (ie) a corner..........? . 1 - Do you put all 10 players In a defensive position which invariably invites the attacking team to bring all their 10 outfield players into an attacking position, thus increasing their chances of scoring a goal Or 2 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle so at least two defenders will invariably stay back to mark you, which will decrease their attacking numbers and (slightly) reduce their chances of scoring Or 3 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle as listed above but also put your winger with explosive pace in a wide position between the 18 yard box and the half way line picking up the peices if a loose ball gets knocked out of the box or the defending goal keeper catches the ball and distributes it quickly to start a surprise counter attack with the chasing pack blowing out of their arses, thus increasing the chances of the team defending the corner scoring a goal. . The question has arisen with the Burton Albion match in mind (for those who were there) If you are of the opinion that option 2 or 3 may be the route to go then you are probably more knowledgable about the game we love than you probably give yourself credit for. If you are of the opinion that option 1 is the correct answer then your name must be Micheal Appleton............ We invited un nessasary pressure on ourselves today in these situations without most of our players knowing exactly where they should be and who they should be marking. BASICS............ Leave a winger up? Absolutely. Leave a target man up top when we need him to win the header in our own box? I'm against that. So was Alex Ferguson, if I remember correctly.
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Post by uptheus on Feb 15, 2015 0:24:28 GMT
Question - on defending a set piece (ie) a corner..........? . 1 - Do you put all 10 players In a defensive position which invariably invites the attacking team to bring all their 10 outfield players into an attacking position, thus increasing their chances of scoring a goal Or 2 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle so at least two defenders will invariably stay back to mark you, which will decrease their attacking numbers and (slightly) reduce their chances of scoring Or 3 - Leave your centre forward in and around the centre circle as listed above but also put your winger with explosive pace in a wide position between the 18 yard box and the half way line picking up the peices if a loose ball gets knocked out of the box or the defending goal keeper catches the ball and distributes it quickly to start a surprise counter attack with the chasing pack blowing out of their arses, thus increasing the chances of the team defending the corner scoring a goal. . The question has arisen with the Burton Albion match in mind (for those who were there) If you are of the opinion that option 2 or 3 may be the route to go then you are probably more knowledgable about the game we love than you probably give yourself credit for. If you are of the opinion that option 1 is the correct answer then your name must be Micheal Appleton............ We invited un nessasary pressure on ourselves today in these situations without most of our players knowing exactly where they should be and who they should be marking. BASICS............ Leave a winger up? Absolutely. Leave a target man up top when we need him to win the header in our own box? I'm against that. So was Alex Ferguson, if I remember correctly. We even had all ten out field players back within the 18 yard box for a f*cking throw in. In answer to your questions, leave two up top on the half way line between the centre circle and touch line. Have width when we win the ball, and tuck in when you lose it. Move the ball be pace and purpose, and shut them down quick when they have the ball. Shoot when you get the opportunity and delivery the ball in the box when you get the opportunity as well.
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Feb 15, 2015 0:29:52 GMT
Still not back waiting for last train at reading. . But why don't we at least leave O'Dowda in our half of the centre circle when we are defending corners / free kicks. The three Guinness isn't such a bad pub to drown your sorrows. I'm in revs.
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Post by stokeu on Feb 15, 2015 8:26:18 GMT
Here's my highlights from yesterday's game:
Blue sky and sunshine as I left Stoke, catkins on the trees down the A50 - could spring be round the corner? Was back home by 5.30 having stopped off and got 2 bottles of Limoux in the wine shop. The fit bird in the shop gave me a lovely smile after bumping into me.
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