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Post by n1 on Jan 21, 2015 16:13:58 GMT
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Post by corbo on Jan 21, 2015 16:42:56 GMT
Is it any coincidence that our most successful period in recent history was under his tenure?
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Post by uptheus on Jan 21, 2015 16:49:07 GMT
Is it any coincidence that our most successful period in recent history was under his tenure? Smoke & Mirrors spring to mind.
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Post by berliner on Jan 21, 2015 16:52:47 GMT
Should be alright as long as he isn't given access to the finances...
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Post by dolly on Jan 21, 2015 17:14:41 GMT
I am not sure why this is considered newsworthy to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 17:27:31 GMT
I am not sure why this is considered newsworthy to us. Only guessing, but I think it might be because Kelvin Thomas used to be our Chairman? That's a sort of connection. We talk about players and managers who used to be at the club all the time, so this is consistent.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 21, 2015 17:28:07 GMT
Is it any coincidence that our most successful period in recent history was under his tenure? Is it an coincidence that he is the reason our debt is so high
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 21, 2015 18:07:53 GMT
Is it any coincidence that our most successful period in recent history was under his tenure? Is it an coincidence that he is the reason our debt is so high Ooof. That's tough on Kelvin. The main reason for our £8 million debt is that we have effectively spent £5 million on stadium rent in the 10 years since Kassam left. We have also spilled probably another £2 million in lost hospitality revenue. That is owing to an APPALLING deal done by Nick Merry when he took over the club (with Ian Lenagan's money). That was 80% Merry's fault for a careless clown, and 20% IL's fault for not getting himself properly involved. Kelvin came back as chairman, under IL. He initially cut the budget, with Wilder delivered a winning team and proved a good marketer. Without him, therefore, losses would have been higher for two years. What happened NEXT is probably the black mark against Kelvin's name: with the 'bounce' from promotion and his successful marketing endeavours, revenues were up, and - for the first time - there was a proper budget to spend (partially owing to donations from certain wealthy fans). Kelvin and Wilder then spent two years paying big money (wages and transfer fees) to bring in crocks, no-hopers and non-triers to the club. The failure of those players - and we know who we're talking about: Leven, Smalley etc - led to under-performance, negativity, falling revenues and debt started to rise again, after two years of stabilising at a very low level. That is when IL stepped in, Kelvin left etc. But despite the last two years of his reign as 'chairman' (he was effectively chief exec, not chairman), overall to my mind it is very, very hard to hold him responsible for our £8 million debts.
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Post by woodageoufc on Jan 21, 2015 18:11:10 GMT
Is it an coincidence that he is the reason our debt is so high Ooof. That's tough on Kelvin. The main reason for our £8 million debt is that we have effectively spent £5 million on stadium rent in the 10 years since Kassam left. We have also spilled probably another £2 million in lost hospitality revenue. That is owing to an APPALLING deal done by Nick Merry when he took over the club (with Ian Lenagan's money). That was 80% Merry's fault for a careless clown, and 20% IL's fault for not getting himself properly involved. Kelvin came back as chairman, under IL. He initially cut the budget, with Wilder delivered a winning team and proved a good marketer. Without him, therefore, losses would have been higher for two years. What happened NEXT is probably the black mark against Kelvin's name: with the 'bounce' from promotion and his successful marketing endeavours, revenues were up, and - for the first time - there was a proper budget to spend (partially owing to donations from certain wealthy fans). Kelvin and Wilder then spent two years paying big money (wages and transfer fees) to bring in crocks, no-hopers and non-triers to the club. The failure of those players - and we know who we're talking about: Leven, Smalley etc - led to under-performance, negativity, falling revenues and debt started to rise again, after two years of stabilising at a very low level. That is when IL stepped in, Kelvin left etc. But despite the last two years of his reign as 'chairman' (he was effectively chief exec, not chairman), overall to my mind it is very, very hard to hold him responsible for our £8 million debts. Spot on, shame he/Wilder made his mistakes when he did otherwise we could be much higher now...
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 21, 2015 18:14:23 GMT
Yeah I wasn't blaming him for the whole debt. But like u said in his 2 years he spent well above budget on shit. So also partly responsible for the crowds still being down now . By hospitality , I take it u mean good and drinks sales and not use of the conference centre. Other wise you may as well say our debts so high because we haven't sold 2m worth of players recently. Anyways like I say it was more of a sarcastic answer to him being pretty much credited for our promotion. If only he had signed lee Holmes we'd be championship by now
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 21, 2015 19:04:57 GMT
Yeah I wasn't blaming him for the whole debt. But like u said in his 2 years he spent well above budget on shit. So also partly responsible for the crowds still being down now . By hospitality , I take it u mean good and drinks sales and not use of the conference centre. Other wise you may as well say our debts so high because we haven't sold 2m worth of players recently. Anyways like I say it was more of a sarcastic answer to him being pretty much credited for our promotion. If only he had signed lee Holmes we'd be championship by now It is a bit of a tragedy, for us as well as him. After one season of 'consolidation', with high crowds and great sponsorship, that summer we pushed the boat out. And in came JP Pittman, Smalley, Leven, Liam Davis etc etc etc. All of them highly talented, and very well paid (I heard 120k for Leven, and almost that for Smalley, plus a transfer fee), but none of them suited to putting in the long shifts required for a promotion-winning season. Once the pitches got heavy, and a few old injuries started to re-surface, we dropped like a stone. If we HAD gone up that season, it would have been perfect timing - we'd have been selling 5000 plus season tickets for League 1, and it would have made a serious discussion on the stadium worthwhile.
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Post by barmyarmy on Jan 21, 2015 20:05:53 GMT
When we were selling scum tickets months before the game and early bird season tickets months before the season ended it was fairly obvious he was robbing Peter to pay Paul. When him and Wilder went shopping in January it stank of shit or bust. Oh and he gave his pal a contract that virtually made him unsackable. Shame really because he initially picked the club up off its knees.
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Post by cottonsocks on Jan 22, 2015 13:45:10 GMT
Same old muppets spouting the same old shite ...... Why can't you just wish the man well in his new position ..... no wonder oufc is where it is so many fans and influential people have left due to IL ........ Another 1 million loss this season 3 on the trot under Il ....... KT lost 1.5 m in 4.5 years but better blame him for everything that has gone wrong........ Chris wilder signed them players bridle paid most of levens wages it was all in the budget ........ From January 2012 il pulled the plug didn't fancy div 1 and the extra wage bill to go with it he thought the 7/8000 fans would stay loyal to a mid table div 2 side.......wrong ....... He is not a bad chairman he was shocking if you are looking to shift blame on someone start with IL he employed merry he signed the stadium agreement he was responsible for everybody driving the club forward leaving in 2012 players inc sponsors..........and is responsible for a mill debt each year for p*ss poor running of a football club........ Good luck Kelvin and happy new year !,,,,,,
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Post by foley on Jan 22, 2015 14:03:08 GMT
Same old muppets spouting the same old shite ...... Why can't you just wish the man well in his new position ..... no wonder oufc is where it is so many fans and influential people have left due to IL ........ Another 1 million loss this season 3 on the trot under Il ....... KT lost 1.5 m in 4.5 years but better blame him for everything that has gone wrong........ Chris wilder signed them players bridle paid most of levens wages it was all in the budget ........ From January 2012 il pulled the plug didn't fancy div 1 and the extra wage bill to go with it he thought the 7/8000 fans would stay loyal to a mid table div 2 side.......wrong ....... He is not a bad chairman he was shocking if you are looking to shift blame on someone start with IL he employed merry he signed the stadium agreement he was responsible for everybody driving the club forward leaving in 2012 players inc sponsors..........and is responsible for a mill deft each year for puss poor running of a football club........ Good luck Kelvin and happy new year !,,,,,, You sound a little biased in this Cottonsocks! I would think that anybody objective from the outside would think that Kelvin did a terrific job for a while. Having said that, when we went up we did sign some players who did not do it despite very large salaries and did not kick on (as Luton appear to be doing). I am sure that nobody would disagree with this? Then as others have implied he seemed to get too close to CW who failed as a League 2 manager at a large club in the Division (when the plan must have been to go up within 2-3 seasons). I think that kelvin has huge strengths and the marketing/ communication with supporters improved immeasurably in his time at the club. Good luck to him at Torquay.
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Post by barmyarmy on Jan 22, 2015 14:25:07 GMT
Same old muppets spouting the same old shite ...... Why can't you just wish the man well in his new position ..... no wonder oufc is where it is so many fans and influential people have left due to IL ........ Another 1 million loss this season 3 on the trot under Il ....... KT lost 1.5 m in 4.5 years but better blame him for everything that has gone wrong........ Chris wilder signed them players bridle paid most of levens wages it was all in the budget ........ From January 2012 il pulled the plug didn't fancy div 1 and the extra wage bill to go with it he thought the 7/8000 fans would stay loyal to a mid table div 2 side.......wrong ....... He is not a bad chairman he was shocking if you are looking to shift blame on someone start with IL he employed merry he signed the stadium agreement he was responsible for everybody driving the club forward leaving in 2012 players inc sponsors..........and is responsible for a mill deft each year for puss poor running of a football club........ Good luck Kelvin and happy new year !,,,,,, I laughed when i read that, comedy gold. Thomas has his arm so far up your arse he makes your mouth speak and you accuse others of being muppets. Thanks, you have made my day.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 22, 2015 15:56:49 GMT
Yeah blame Ian lenagan, he was only the fucker financing your mates achievement and mass over spend. Bloody Ian lenagan, how dare he not sign lee Holmes
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Post by eighteen93 on Jan 22, 2015 19:48:07 GMT
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jan 22, 2015 20:10:49 GMT
He's the messiah
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
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Post by cottonsocks on Jan 22, 2015 22:01:17 GMT
Oufcyellows if I was running a company and all the people driving the company left in a very short space of time and my business lost 50% of its customers and I then went onto run the company and lose a mill a season I would sit down and realise I made a big mistake.... Or would I blame all the outgoing people don't need bridles money ...Kt was responsible for the mess we r in ...... No mention of merry at the fans forum in 2012...... Or the fact that I had a close eye on the finances at oufc after merry....not only having a oufc financial advisor overseeing finances but the Wigan FD was overseeing everything....... Blame everybody but me ...... Shocking scenerio for a man who only a few months before KT left sang his praises for half hour at his leaving party and asked him to stay for 3 months to oversee the transitional period ....... It beggars belief cream will always rise to the top ...... And u lot will still be sprouting the same old shite season after season ..... The trouble is no one cares anymore and that is a big problem for the new people coming in IL destroyed that in 2012 ..... Onwards and upwards enjoy the game Saturday here's hoping the yellows pull in 3 points as they need it and believe me I do not want oufc to go down.....but as long as IL is involved you won't be going anywhere ......
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 23, 2015 6:52:51 GMT
Oufcyellows if I was running a company and all the people driving the company left in a very short space of time and my business lost 50% of its customers and I then went onto run the company and lose a mill a season I would sit down and realise I made a big mistake.... Or would I blame all the outgoing people don't need bridles money ...Kt was responsible for the mess we r in ...... No mention of merry at the fans forum in 2012...... Or the fact that I had a close eye on the finances at oufc after merry....not only having a oufc financial advisor overseeing finances but the Wigan FD was overseeing everything....... Blame everybody but me ...... Shocking scenerio for a man who only a few months before KT left sang his praises for half hour at his leaving party and asked him to stay for 3 months to oversee the transitional period ....... It beggars belief cream will always rise to the top ...... And u lot will still be sprouting the same old shite season after season ..... The trouble is no one cares anymore and that is a big problem for the new people coming in IL destroyed that in 2012 ..... Onwards and upwards enjoy the game Saturday here's hoping the yellows pull in 3 points as they need it and believe me I do not want oufc to go down.....but as long as IL is involved you won't be going anywhere ...... Fair enough. Cream does rise to the top, but turds float as well. No one is not blaming il , nm , fk. We're just not bending over with our pants down every time we see kt. As for spouting the same old shit season after season, how is lee Holmes these days. I take it you no longer support the club and have joined Torquay from your last sentence . YOU won't be going anywhere!! Not we
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Post by barmyarmy on Jan 23, 2015 10:15:25 GMT
Oufcyellows if I was running a company and all the people driving the company left in a very short space of time and my business lost 50% of its customers and I then went onto run the company and lose a mill a season I would sit down and realise I made a big mistake.... Or would I blame all the outgoing people don't need bridles money ...Kt was responsible for the mess we r in ...... No mention of merry at the fans forum in 2012...... Or the fact that I had a close eye on the finances at oufc after merry....not only having a oufc financial advisor overseeing finances but the Wigan FD was overseeing everything....... Blame everybody but me ...... Shocking scenerio for a man who only a few months before KT left sang his praises for half hour at his leaving party and asked him to stay for 3 months to oversee the transitional period ....... It beggars belief cream will always rise to the top ...... And u lot will still be sprouting the same old shite season after season ..... The trouble is no one cares anymore and that is a big problem for the new people coming in IL destroyed that in 2012 ..... Onwards and upwards enjoy the game Saturday here's hoping the yellows pull in 3 points as they need it and believe me I do not want oufc to go down.....but as long as IL is involved you won't be going anywhere ...... Did he tell you that and you believed him or did you make it up all by yourself? You said KT lost £1.5 million in 4.5 years but are now saying IL was running the finances after Merry left........ Another comedy gold moment
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2015 15:31:21 GMT
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Post by Cardiff Yellow on Feb 9, 2015 22:49:07 GMT
I actually enjoyed supporting OUFC when Kelvin was our chairman, christ he did a far better job of it than any other chairman I've known in my time supporting the club (jury out on Eales of course) .
One summer of big spending seems to be what many hold against him but up until October of 2011/12 we were top 3, scoring goals, defending properly and had completed half of our first double over the runaway champions of that season - who had a vastly bigger budget. Unbelievable injuries f*cked us that season and if you believe any differently have another look at it. Kelvin even said it himself that we'd have gone up if CW had been able to pick Wright, Leven, Duberry, Potter, Craddock etc. Let's also remember that West Ham recalling Rob Hall a day after we'd agreed to keep him to the end of the season was a body blow out of our control...and we didn't have Swindon's financial muscle (superficially as it transpired) to go and find someone as good (Lee Holmes was decent...oh wait).
Clarke Batt Duberry Wright Davis Hall Whing Leven Craddock Constable Hall
would have been as good a starting XI as we've had since being back in the league. It isn't Kelvin's fault they were all crocked at one time or another!!
Aside from also being a really nice guy in person, he helped mastermind our escape from that poxy league. The fact that people on here slag him off sadly sums up plenty of Oxford fans' liking for whinging at everything - probably the same people who slagged Hylton off before he'd kicked a ball, or went on Twitter to abuse Deane Smalley, or heaven help us STILL go on about how Midson should still be playing for us.
He'll do a good job at Torquay and it wouldn't surprise me to see him there beyond the end of the season.
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Post by Mark on Feb 11, 2015 14:21:24 GMT
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Feb 11, 2015 18:19:27 GMT
Good luck to him. I sincerely hope he's learned his lessons in every department.
Was a great PR man, mind.
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Post by Mark on Mar 11, 2015 8:58:00 GMT
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Post by foley on Mar 11, 2015 12:10:44 GMT
It will be interesting to see whether Kelvin stays and has a similar role that he had at Oxford. If he does I reckon that Hargreaves will have to prove himself quickly. CW anyone?
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Post by Mark on Mar 11, 2015 12:23:50 GMT
It will be interesting to see whether Kelvin stays and has a similar role that he had at Oxford. If he does I reckon that Hargreaves will have to prove himself quickly. CW anyone? I think kelvin's been brought in not only to try and steady the ship, but also to try and find a buyer. It's all very well saying the club is left debt free, but the running losses could be say £1m per year, how long could a new buyer take to turn it around, if at all, particularly on conference crowds? [quite relevant if Eales should ever give up and walk away leaving us 'debt free'] Also some football club investors are doing it for some sort of personal financial gain based in ground redevelopments etc. I hope they find a decent owner.
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Post by ox44xp on Mar 11, 2015 13:13:30 GMT
Max Griggs left Rushden & Diamonds not only debt free, but with their own stadium, a bundle of land and a million quid in the bank.
Most football clubs simply don't work without someone picking up the tab; Torquay are no different. Nor Oxford for that matter
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Mar 13, 2015 22:17:30 GMT
Oufcyellows if I was running a company and all the people driving the company left in a very short space of time and my business lost 50% of its customers and I then went onto run the company and lose a mill a season I would sit down and realise I made a big mistake.... Or would I blame all the outgoing people don't need bridles money ...Kt was responsible for the mess we r in ...... No mention of merry at the fans forum in 2012...... Or the fact that I had a close eye on the finances at oufc after merry....not only having a oufc financial advisor overseeing finances but the Wigan FD was overseeing everything....... Blame everybody but me ...... Shocking scenerio for a man who only a few months before KT left sang his praises for half hour at his leaving party and asked him to stay for 3 months to oversee the transitional period ....... It beggars belief cream will always rise to the top ...... And u lot will still be sprouting the same old shite season after season ..... The trouble is no one cares anymore and that is a big problem for the new people coming in IL destroyed that in 2012 ..... Onwards and upwards enjoy the game Saturday here's hoping the yellows pull in 3 points as they need it and believe me I do not want oufc to go down.....but as long as IL is involved you won't be going anywhere ...... Is there any danger of you using a full stop in your sentences?
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