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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 2, 2014 14:55:50 GMT
The ODI series going on against India is just embarrassing.
Today's match is the same as all the others have been: Stolid and unimaginative English batting against accurate (if not exactly world-shattering) Indian bowling, poor English bowling and dismal captaincy. We seem to be playing cricket that is 20 years out of date.
The selectors seem unable or unwilling to think that things might be dreadfully wrong and that radical changes have to be made. We've got a 7 ODI tout of Sri Lanka next, followed by the world cup. They've still got time to make changes (just about) but I'm not holding my breath!
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 2, 2014 15:08:04 GMT
The T20 side looks a bit better, hopefully some of them will show they should be in the 50 over side.
Bloody hell just put CricInfo on, had been avoiding it since the innings change... 150-0!
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Post by tonyw on Sept 2, 2014 15:43:24 GMT
Given that they're playing a side that were a complete and utter shambles two weeks ago during the Test series, it's even worse!
Hard to see anything other than another miserable World Cup unless we find some players who can play the One Day game, and fast.
Don't know exactly where to start, but probably I'd tell Cook & Anderson that it's time they concentrated purely on the longer form of the game, make Morgan captain (just - although he's not been great with the bat himself) and then scour the Counties for some powerful batsmen, pacy fast bowlers who can bowl at the death (we're going to need that in Oz) and someone, anyone who can bowl a semi-threatening 10 overs of spin.
Not 100% sure those players exist though - which means we're probably screwed.
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Post by ianmoore82 on Sept 2, 2014 15:55:48 GMT
If they did they would be in the Test team.
Maybe they are related to the England football team
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 2, 2014 18:04:55 GMT
We all know what will happen, we will bring back Ravi and Dernbach
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Post by Junior on Sept 2, 2014 19:21:22 GMT
I'd make James Taylor captain over Morgan who isn't even In that great form. Hales and Lumb to open with Vince pushing them. Retain Root and Ali ( also a few overs in them ) Buttler to keep with 1 of Stokes or Jordan playing. I'd bring Rashid as the spinner. Then to find 3 decent bowlers. That's the tough bit...
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 2, 2014 19:33:50 GMT
Roy over Lumb for me up top.
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Post by Junior on Sept 2, 2014 19:36:53 GMT
Lumb because of the partnership with Hales and he's a left hander..
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 2, 2014 19:46:46 GMT
Good points and noted, but I would rather we didnt get hung up on having a left hand right hand opening. Hopefully we will give Roy a go in the T20s and move him into ODI if he grasps it.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 2, 2014 20:22:51 GMT
An old colleague of mine in India sent his condolences today. The England team is brutally old fashioned. Cook is fine with a strike rate of 77. He's not. There is talent in England, but it's too negative and stodgy now to survive. It's timid and afraid of failure. Almost like the Captain.
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Post by The Fence End on Sept 2, 2014 21:31:15 GMT
The ECB dinosaurs need to realise that one day and T20 are the most important forms of the game and focus on them. They're the forms the players want to play and fans want to watch.
Cricket has moved on but English attitude of 'Test is best' will leave us behind the rest of cricket world further than we are.
Time to reduce the amount of tests we play on focus on the forms the sponsors, players and fans actually want and that is ODI's and T20. They shouldn't just be tagged onto the end of the summer, these games should be prime time.
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Post by Junior on Sept 2, 2014 21:33:26 GMT
Disagree massively. The tests are what England fans go and watch. I've not seen any of the odi's but u can guarantee the crowds have been massively boosted by Indians living in the Uk.
It's the ultimate challenge of a professional cricketer and always will be.
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Post by nige01ox on Sept 2, 2014 21:42:51 GMT
Absolutely, tests. Every time.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 2, 2014 21:50:22 GMT
Tests for me as well.
I thoroughly enjoy the IPL on the telly (although that's now moved from free to air I think, so that's the end of that for me), but it's not the same as proper cricket!
I simply can't believe that a more dynamic, aggressive approach to ODIs could actually make us any worse than we are now with our old-fashioned play yourself in, build partnerships afresh every time a wicket goes down approach - so let's try it!
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Post by unification on Sept 2, 2014 22:19:29 GMT
But Test cricket as a format abroad? Compare an IPL match against a Test match in India and you'd be hard pressed to find a seat for the T20 games yet could sit where you want for the Tests.
Test cricket is still the main form of the game in this country and the Aussies can still get excited by it. Tests in the Windies and the subcontinent nowadays are sparsely attended affairs.
When was the last time England had a *really* effective ODI side? ODIs so often feel like a case of after the Lord Mayor's show once the Tests have rolled by. I'm in agreement that there needs to be bigger differences between the Test and ODI sides - relying on the same old faces is draining for all concerned.
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Post by tonyw on Sept 2, 2014 23:49:36 GMT
ODIs are really the dying format of the game.
Tests are the truest test of cricketing skill and ability. And they're still the standard by which the game's greatest players will be judged.
T20 is the the exciting, flashy, populist version of the game. It's clearly where the big money is going to come from in the future (aside from Tests in England/Wales and Oz) and is the opportunity to grow the game beyond its current nation base.
ODIs offer neither. They are middling tests of cricketing skill, and outside of a World Cup only mildly attractive to most fan bases (compare any county's Royal London Cup attendance to the T20 fixtures!). Plus they've still never managed to resolve the fact that the middle overs in any ODI are completely tedious.
The sooner they do away with the format, and concentrate on the five day and three hour versions of the game, the better........
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Post by foley on Sept 3, 2014 6:53:35 GMT
This series has been embarrassing and the mindset seems so wrong. I agree with Swann's comments before it even started.
Ironically we won the T20 tournament with some attacking flair cricket (pretty unlike England). But in ODI's we have continued with Cook, Root, Bell, Anderson- excellent Test Players but they have not done it in ODI's (at the necessary rates of scoring/ wickets)
I worry a little about Mores as well as his philosophy must be behind the stodgy England batting ....
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Post by SteMerritt on Sept 3, 2014 7:30:42 GMT
Test cricket for me every time, but I can manage to get Mrs Merritt along to T20 games (she loved finals day the other week) so I can see the appeal of the shortest form as well.
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