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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 21, 2014 9:00:11 GMT
Holy shit! Has made the Cardiff fans look a bit foolish
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 21, 2014 9:14:45 GMT
It seems odd that Cardiff bring everything to light now Mackay is trying to get back into management. He hasn't come out of this well though.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Aug 21, 2014 9:21:19 GMT
An example of when 'bants' gets out of control! Moody and Mackay - what a couple of LADS.
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 21, 2014 9:27:42 GMT
His career and life is ruined.
Idiot
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Post by Junior on Aug 21, 2014 9:46:21 GMT
Vincent Tan has had the last laugh on that one alright...
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Post by John Lennon on Aug 21, 2014 10:39:10 GMT
What exactly happened? Ive had a busy morning, and haven't heard.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 10:50:33 GMT
Racist, sexist and homophobic text messages about players, agents and the asian owners.
Not the thing easily forgotten in the game and will keep him out of work for a long time I would guess.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 21, 2014 11:14:23 GMT
Bye bye Malky. Thought he was a good, decent manager. How wrong was i.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Aug 21, 2014 11:16:09 GMT
Doesn't the main allegation concern fraud based on Mackay and Iain Moody (football operations manager) paying too much in agent and player transfer fees? I think these dodgy texts and emails have only come to light as part of the investigation into this matter. Could Malkay be facing criminal charges if found guilty?
My favourite text (to a player on the subject of his female agent): 'I hope she's looking after your needs. I bet you'd love a bounce on her falsies.' Classic!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 11:17:11 GMT
How thick must they be? Bad enough holding those views, but to publish them on the airwaves? Idiots. Unfit for management.
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Post by oxrox on Aug 21, 2014 11:33:32 GMT
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Post by moroccanyellow on Aug 21, 2014 11:42:36 GMT
I think if you looked at the text messages and e-mails of a lot of men in football there would be quite a number of similar views.
Mackay won't struggle to get a job, he'll join a Championship team at some point later this year or next season.
Football has no morals. Our club has signed players that have killed people. Surely that's far worse?
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 21, 2014 12:48:47 GMT
So he's a sexist, racist, homophobe? I understand Sepp Blatter isn't getting any younger, and it appears that Malky ticks all the right boxes there! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:41:49 GMT
Well, the LMA seem to have sorted that out! *facepalm*
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Post by lodeyellow on Aug 22, 2014 6:08:13 GMT
Unsurprisingly perhaps, the League Managers' Association has come out in support of Mackay and described the texts as merely "friendly banter".
Extremely reminiscent of the failed Keys-Gray defence.
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Post by sihath on Aug 22, 2014 6:18:04 GMT
What a surprise.
LMA condoning his behavior!
Moral vacuum.
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Post by baldy on Aug 22, 2014 7:09:32 GMT
It's no real surprise though, you only have to go back a few months when Mackay dropped that £7.5m compensation claim amid grovelling apologies to know that there was something a bit sinister lurking beneath the surface.
L1 or more likely L2 looks the starting point for Mackay. A club down there wont be able to resist what is obviously a managerial talent but he's finished in the top two divisions - in my opinion.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 22, 2014 12:11:04 GMT
If I was being uber-cynical, I would say that:
Homophobic texts - you're probably going to get away with. Homophobia is basically ubiquitous in football (and in most walks of like) - hence the fact that almost noone ever comes out whilst they're playing - and therefore noone is going to think twice about hiring you in that context. Sexist texts - bit trickier, but there's still relatively few women involved in the game, and sexism is still rife on the terraces. It ultimately did for Gray and Keys, but probably wouldn't derail the career of a talented young mananger.
But racist texts - and not just casual racism, but full-on Alf Garnett-style neanderthalism - in a game where a large proportion of your bosses, colleagues and players are not going to be white; a game where a huge amount of time and effort has been spent in trying to eliminate racism from the terraces, to 99% effect? I think that might just be a career-killer. Best case scenario is what Baldy suggests.
[For the record - I am not condoning any form of homophobia, sexism or racism.....I'm very much against all forms of discrimination.....just commenting on how football seems to operate today]
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Post by baldy on Aug 22, 2014 12:44:51 GMT
If I was being uber-cynical, I would say that: Homophobic texts - you're probably going to get away with. Homophobia is basically ubiquitous in football (and in most walks of like) - hence the fact that almost noone ever comes out whilst they're playing - and therefore noone is going to think twice about hiring you in that context. Sexist texts - bit trickier, but there's still relatively few women involved in the game, and sexism is still rife on the terraces. It ultimately did for Gray and Keys, but probably wouldn't derail the career of a talented young mananger. But racist texts - and not just casual racism, but full-on Alf Garnett-style neanderthalism - in a game where a large proportion of your bosses, colleagues and players are not going to be white; a game where a huge amount of time and effort has been spent in trying to eliminate racism from the terraces, to 99% effect? I think that might just be a career-killer. Best case scenario is what Baldy suggests. [For the record - I am not condoning any form of homophobia, sexism or racism.....I'm very much against all forms of discrimination.....just commenting on how football seems to operate today] If I posted that it would be twisted every way possible until there was limited posting and a banning order culminating in being stoned to death on Bonn Square.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Aug 22, 2014 13:12:50 GMT
If I was being uber-cynical, I would say that: Homophobic texts - you're probably going to get away with. Homophobia is basically ubiquitous in football (and in most walks of like) - hence the fact that almost noone ever comes out whilst they're playing - and therefore noone is going to think twice about hiring you in that context. Sexist texts - bit trickier, but there's still relatively few women involved in the game, and sexism is still rife on the terraces. It ultimately did for Gray and Keys, but probably wouldn't derail the career of a talented young mananger. But racist texts - and not just casual racism, but full-on Alf Garnett-style neanderthalism - in a game where a large proportion of your bosses, colleagues and players are not going to be white; a game where a huge amount of time and effort has been spent in trying to eliminate racism from the terraces, to 99% effect? I think that might just be a career-killer. Best case scenario is what Baldy suggests. [For the record - I am not condoning any form of homophobia, sexism or racism.....I'm very much against all forms of discrimination.....just commenting on how football seems to operate today] If I posted that it would be twisted every way possible until there was limited posting and a banning order culminating in being stoned to death on Bonn Square. You poor martyr! You reap what you sow though Baldy.
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Post by baldy on Aug 22, 2014 13:35:20 GMT
If I posted that it would be twisted every way possible until there was limited posting and a banning order culminating in being stoned to death on Bonn Square. You poor martyr! You reap what you sow though Baldy. Yep, sow an opinion. One or two people get their nickers in a twist and hey presto ! Limited posting and a ban are harvested. That's not really how the world works outside of this forum but I'll leave it at that. No point inviting more punishment.
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Post by gofish on Aug 22, 2014 13:40:56 GMT
The problem Baldy, is you 'wouldn't' have posted that. It was far too reasoned and balanced.
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Post by sihath on Aug 22, 2014 13:49:00 GMT
You poor martyr! You reap what you sow though Baldy. Yep, sow an opinion. One or two people get their nickers in a twist and hey presto ! Limited posting and a ban are harvested. That's not really how the world works outside of this forum but I'll leave it at that. No point inviting more punishment. True. If you had voiced some of your thoughts beyond this forum, you'd have probably been punched.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Aug 22, 2014 13:53:43 GMT
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Post by amarillo on Aug 22, 2014 13:57:00 GMT
When is the stoning in Bonn Sq.? Is it tickets only or can anyone show up?
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Post by gofish on Aug 22, 2014 14:00:51 GMT
It can't be publicized do to potential crowd numbers exceeding tomorrows home gain
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Post by sihath on Aug 22, 2014 14:06:46 GMT
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Post by tonyw on Aug 22, 2014 15:20:22 GMT
If I posted that it would be twisted every way possible until there was limited posting and a banning order culminating in being stoned to death on Bonn Square. Meh - you can probably summarise my post as "Football is homophobic and sexist, but not that racist any more" There's a bit of a leap from that to you saying you wouldn't want you son to be gay, and making rather disparaging and un-PC comments about women's football (apparently - I never read that thread)!
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 22, 2014 16:19:07 GMT
If I was being uber-cynical, I would say that: Homophobic texts - you're probably going to get away with. Homophobia is basically ubiquitous in football (and in most walks of like) - hence the fact that almost noone ever comes out whilst they're playing - and therefore noone is going to think twice about hiring you in that context. Sexist texts - bit trickier, but there's still relatively few women involved in the game, and sexism is still rife on the terraces. It ultimately did for Gray and Keys, but probably wouldn't derail the career of a talented young mananger. But racist texts - and not just casual racism, but full-on Alf Garnett-style neanderthalism - in a game where a large proportion of your bosses, colleagues and players are not going to be white; a game where a huge amount of time and effort has been spent in trying to eliminate racism from the terraces, to 99% effect? I think that might just be a career-killer. Best case scenario is what Baldy suggests. [For the record - I am not condoning any form of homophobia, sexism or racism.....I'm very much against all forms of discrimination.....just commenting on how football seems to operate today] If I posted that it would be twisted every way possible until there was limited posting and a banning order culminating in being stoned to death on Bonn Square. They are not similar at all. Tony is merely stating the 'levels of tolerance' within football as a whole, whereas you would not only state the levels of tolerance, you would only embrace those levels of tolerance and state them as your own knuckle-dragging opinion. That is why you got banned and put on limited postings. Nowhere in Tony's post does it say he supports those levels of tolerance. And he is right in that although racism is strictly taboo in football, unfortunately homophobia and sexism is still seen by some circles as 'a bit of banter'.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Aug 23, 2014 8:54:09 GMT
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