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Post by yellowg on Aug 20, 2014 10:11:04 GMT
The positives for me are that we are steady at the back, look pretty good on the ball and that hylton looks to have 15 goals in him. What we have to do is identify a striker who will be the difference. Its likely to cost us 2\3 k a week, but if you can't put the ball in the onion bag, possession is a pointless exercise.
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Post by backtobasics on Aug 20, 2014 10:12:24 GMT
Too much emphasis on pretty football than actually focussing on securing points. MAPP should perhaps mix up the good football approach with more direct finishing.
At the moment, I get the feeling the players are too mindful about the formation instead of getting a result! Don't worry about the formation so much, play as a team.
Even the top nations Argentina can't play pretty football for 90 minutes and have to resort to a bit of gamesmanship during a game.
After the 3 losses at this stage I would prefer it if we drew or won games and get some positive momentum going!
We definitely don't want to continue losing and MAPP shouldn't hesitate in changing his pretty football philosophy slightly to a more direct finishing final third thinking and not forgetting a bit of gamesmanship if we start leading a match.
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Post by mcf86 on Aug 20, 2014 10:42:56 GMT
We haven't the players to play 'direct Football' for which I'm glad. I have yet to see us play, but from reports it seems we're playing reasonably well, have been unlucky on occasions but lack an old head or two to bring some guile and nous. Goals change attitudes -and morale! It seems the 'simple' solution is obvious, question is, is it obvious to chairman and manager and how urgent do they see it. 'We' all need a boost coming into this weekend's match, that includes the team, supporters and Club staff, the only way I can see that happening is the arrival of 2/3 new players. That seems unlikely at this stage, the silence from the Club is, as they say, deafening. Let's hope it's because they are busily trying to secure a few deals on players- and not because they are at a loss!! nb. My first match of this season on Saturday, Looking forward to it!! UTM.
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Post by ianmoore82 on Aug 20, 2014 11:16:53 GMT
Well, that's your domesday scenario.
I meant if we were still scrabbling round at the bottom end of the table.
Both Bristol and Sheff Utd were absolute shite for the first couple of months last season in L1 and then flew.
No reason we could not do the same
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Post by myles on Aug 20, 2014 11:48:19 GMT
Goals change attitudes -and morale! It seems the 'simple' solution is obvious, question is, is it obvious to chairman and manager and how urgent do they see it. Spot on. The need for goalscorers was obvious from day one of preseason, and by that I mean experienced players who know the rigours of this league. The departure of Kitson simply reinforced this, particularly the need for experience. Plenty on here were shouted down for pointing out this obvious need with the retort that it was so obvious that the signings would definitely be made. Well, the various "deadlines" issued by the club for getting business done have come and gone with no sign of these players. People are now saying "wait until January and all will be fixed then" but that is a false position. To sign anybody of any ability in January will require a goodly sum of money to be spent - exactly as it would now, so why wait? No goals from open play in three games tells the tale. The need for proven goal scoring ability is here and right now.
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Post by cowleyox on Aug 20, 2014 12:15:46 GMT
Of course we are f*cking worried. Which idiot would not be? Losing opening three games, inappropriate tactics for league 2, inexperienced young new additions who will leave in January anyway. At least the new management set up is good at press conferences and gives a professional air. So on the cosmetic front things have improved. Let's face it we are club with limited resources. I wonder who those who were calling for CW to leave had in mind as his replacement. The grass is often greener on the other side, but things have been better in the last few years than they are now. At least our new manager can maintain his great track record as a manager, his stats look wonderful.
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Post by horseman on Aug 20, 2014 12:17:29 GMT
Myles you are wasting your time, the 5 year plans have been and gone we've started the season without a proper squad capable of competing, the fans have been walking away for months but some of those remaining appear happy to accept waiting until January. The club remain in a mess and as crowds continue to dwindle as they will if results don't improve things are going to reach critical point with nothing but a massive debt.
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Post by sarge on Aug 20, 2014 12:18:01 GMT
bring back Beano on loan :-D
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Post by socrates on Aug 20, 2014 12:20:09 GMT
It's six weeks since the takeover. That should be enough time to identify the problem and sign players to rectify it.
An organised consortium, which this lot do not seem to be given their lack of knowledge surrounding the stadium (RTB, no discussions with kassam), before buying would have at least done due diligence on the squad and begun preparations
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 20, 2014 12:20:53 GMT
I'm very worried, but still optimistic that things will improve.
And I've been a fan for 736 years so I don't think you can argue...
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 20, 2014 12:21:36 GMT
It's six weeks since the takeover. That should be enough time to identify the problem and sign players to rectify it. Why? On what basis do you make that comment?
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Post by undisputed on Aug 20, 2014 12:28:33 GMT
Love threads like this. Cheaper than a TV license, and oh so much more fun.
Sadly this was gonna be the case. Unless we had won our opening three games there was always going to be opposition. Lots of "told you so". Sadly due to the perceived nature of the opposing bid for the club (one of us, one of us) there was always going to be a group of fans who were waiting for this, and now don't seem happy to try and support the club and make it better. I will say props to Charlie Methven, he may still be critical of the owners, but at least he has called for unity. Something that many of the supporters of his group don't seem happy to do. Personally I didn't back either, due to the woeful lack of details from both, but we've got what we've got now. How about doing our best to get behind the club??
I was by no means a wilder outer, but we've played some much better football recently. Results haven't gone our way, but it will come.
Don't forget, you don't win anything with kids. Wait a minute.......
Edit: 20+ years for me. Much nearer 30 now!
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Post by socrates on Aug 20, 2014 12:37:15 GMT
A manager worth his salt would be able to tell you in a heartbeat who is available and who he wants. It would take longer, certainly, to work out whether targets who are not available could be tempted away. But not six weeks.
What I'm suggesting is that Appleton is vastly inexperienced in signing players. I think he is an excellent coach and am positive about his appointment but he has already alluded to a lack of know-how.
That is why we are hearing this stuff about January. He needs time to work out who the best players are. He wants a scouting system in place. That's great. But at the moment he is on a learning curve (as is Ashton I suspect. A chief exec is key in this and look how the new one at Man U struggled) and it's costing us dearly.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 20, 2014 12:37:34 GMT
Goals change attitudes -and morale! It seems the 'simple' solution is obvious, question is, is it obvious to chairman and manager and how urgent do they see it. Spot on. The need for goalscorers was obvious from day one of preseason, and by that I mean experienced players who know the rigours of this league. The departure of Kitson simply reinforced this, particularly the need for experience. Plenty on here were shouted down for pointing out this obvious need with the retort that it was so obvious that the signings would definitely be made. Well, the various "deadlines" issued by the club for getting business done have come and gone with no sign of these players. People are now saying "wait until January and all will be fixed then" but that is a false position. To sign anybody of any ability in January will require a goodly sum of money to be spent - exactly as it would now, so why wait? No goals from open play in three games tells the tale. The need for proven goal scoring ability is here and right now. That's true, but presumes that the market is a like a supermarket where we can go get what we want now. The transfer market just isn't like that. We have to make do with what is available to us in the market conditions.
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Post by mcf86 on Aug 20, 2014 12:51:08 GMT
Spot on. The need for goalscorers was obvious from day one of preseason, and by that I mean experienced players who know the rigours of this league. The departure of Kitson simply reinforced this, particularly the need for experience. Plenty on here were shouted down for pointing out this obvious need with the retort that it was so obvious that the signings would definitely be made. Well, the various "deadlines" issued by the club for getting business done have come and gone with no sign of these players. People are now saying "wait until January and all will be fixed then" but that is a false position. To sign anybody of any ability in January will require a goodly sum of money to be spent - exactly as it would now, so why wait? No goals from open play in three games tells the tale. The need for proven goal scoring ability is here and right now. That's true, but presumes that the market is a like a supermarket where we can go get what we want now. The transfer market just isn't like that. We have to make do with what is available to us in the market conditions.
You can sometimes find the bargains in the discount area, close to the 'sell by date' but could see you through until you're better placed.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 20, 2014 12:54:22 GMT
That's true, but presumes that the market is a like a supermarket where we can go get what we want now. The transfer market just isn't like that. We have to make do with what is available to us in the market conditions.
You can sometimes find the bargains in the discount area, close to the 'sell by date' but could see you through until you're better placed. Indeed
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Post by myles on Aug 20, 2014 13:18:00 GMT
That's true, but presumes that the market is a like a supermarket where we can go get what we want now. The transfer market just isn't like that. We have to make do with what is available to us in the market conditions. Agreed. Also, the supermarket isn't clearly aware of your desperate need for bread and milk and doesn't put the prices up in response. The transfer market however....
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Post by Cardiff Yellow on Aug 20, 2014 13:26:20 GMT
The fact that we were top of the league at Christmas and people still wanted Wilder out, and now we've got a manager who wants to play supposedly more attractive football and we still can't score a goal people are still panicking and saying we're sh*t. Just like the people who refuse to buy season tickets and still expect us to spend more money on players....
I can only sum these people in one word: moronic.
You don't know what the next 43 games hold. You don't even know what the next two weeks hold.
I don't care if you've been a supporter for 50 years or 5 minutes....stop your f*cking whinging and grow a pair. Scunthorpe were p*ss-poor before November, Accrington didn't win a game until October.
If we'd been battered in every game then I might understand it all. But for one sh*te referee and a couple of concentration lapses we could easily have 9 points from 9.
Get a grip.
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Post by mcf86 on Aug 20, 2014 13:30:46 GMT
Ditto ^^^^^^^
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 20, 2014 13:35:17 GMT
The fact that we were top of the league at Christmas and people still wanted Wilder out, and now we've got a manager who wants to play supposedly more attractive football and we still can't score a goal people are still panicking and saying we're sh*t. Just like the people who refuse to buy season tickets and still expect us to spend more money on players.... I can only sum these people in one word: moronic. Good post. You've manage to insult 3 separate groups in each of which there are people who have justified their view coherently and without being offensive. Or do you just like to be angry and think everybody who doesn't agree with you is a moron?
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Post by cowleyox on Aug 20, 2014 14:02:40 GMT
The fact that we were top of the league at Christmas and people still wanted Wilder out, and now we've got a manager who wants to play supposedly more attractive football and we still can't score a goal people are still panicking and saying we're sh*t. Just like the people who refuse to buy season tickets and still expect us to spend more money on players.... I can only sum these people in one word: moronic. You don't know what the next 43 games hold. You don't even know what the next two weeks hold. I don't care if you've been a supporter for 50 years or 5 minutes....stop your f*cking whinging and grow a pair. Scunthorpe were p*ss-poor before November, Accrington didn't win a game until October. If we'd been battered in every game then I might understand it all. But for one sh*te referee and a couple of concentration lapses we could easily have 9 points from 9. Get a grip. Thanks, feel better now. Far more reassured about the future.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 20, 2014 14:09:35 GMT
Well I have concerns. There is a worrying lack of physicality in the team - and as we all know you need muscle and height to win League 2 games! It's only going to get worse as the pitches get heavier.
I like what Appleton has to say, I like his approach. I like his passing football - to a degree.
But in the end L2 is no beauty contest. We need more experience in the team - and sharpish.
And I don't blame any supporter for being tetchy already. End this 'moron' talk.
Considering the merde we've had to put up with since the end of November.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 20, 2014 14:16:08 GMT
Too much emphasis on pretty football than actually focussing on securing points. MAPP should perhaps mix up the good football approach with more direct finishing. At the moment, I get the feeling the players are too mindful about the formation instead of getting a result! Don't worry about the formation so much, play as a team. and get some Even the top nations Argentina can't play pretty football for 90 minutes and have to resort to a bit of gamesmanship during a game. After the 3 losses at this stage I would prefer it if we drew or won games positive momentum going!
We definitely don't want to continue losing and MAPP shouldn't hesitate in changing his pretty football philosophy slightly to a more direct finishing final third thinking and not forgetting a bit of gamesmanship if we start leading a match. A bit obvious.
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Post by cowleyox on Aug 20, 2014 14:17:57 GMT
Well I have concerns. There is a worrying lack of physicality in the team - and as we all know you need muscle and height to win League 2 games! It's only going to get worse as the pitches get heavier. I like what Appleton has to say, I like his approach. I like his passing football - to a degree. But in the end L2 is no beauty contest. We need more experience in the team - and sharpish. And I don't blame any supporter for being tetchy already. End this 'moron' talk. Considering the merde we've had to put up with since the end of November. Good succinct post!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 14:28:04 GMT
It absolutely beggars belief after decades of almost continuous disappointment, of being taken in by a series of asset strippers, conmen and flatterers to deceive, of largely stale unadventurous football played in a soul-less wind tunnel, that anyone could possibly be feeling a tad negative about anything.
You morons really need to man up.
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Worried !
Aug 20, 2014 15:02:59 GMT
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 20, 2014 15:02:59 GMT
With regards to how easy it is to bring a player in then I would suggest to those people, this is the real world, not championship manager!
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Post by Robin Shater on Aug 20, 2014 15:33:19 GMT
Well, that's your domesday scenario. I meant if we were still scrabbling round at the bottom end of the table. Both Bristol and Sheff Utd were absolute shite for the first couple of months last season in L1 and then flew. No reason we could not do the sameIt could also be argued that there is no reason that we could do the same.
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Worried !
Aug 20, 2014 15:34:37 GMT
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Post by yellowjam on Aug 20, 2014 15:34:37 GMT
That's a fair comment but it amazes me people are judging the manager after 3 f-cking games, get a grip, we will know after 10-12 how things will start to plan out for the season but at this minute not many fans are willing to do that That could be 10-12 f*cking defeats, After 10 -12 games we may still have only the same players no new additions or certainly additions with experience, thin the first three league games have shown we are lacking experience and yes a seasoned goal scorer, They may have already been snapped up. But I am just a 45 year supporter what would I know. Jesus don't take it personally
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Worried !
Aug 20, 2014 15:39:34 GMT
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Post by yellowjam on Aug 20, 2014 15:39:34 GMT
It is quite funny in some ways that 9 months ago when we were top of the league and the entertainment was poor, the talk here was all about playing entertaining football Well the style of football we are playing is far far more entertaining than last year but suddenly its all about results Browny people have always said you don't win games by playing fancy football all the time. But it takes time to get the managers ideas on how to play into place, we are 3 games in not 43 & facing the drop
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Post by ianmoore82 on Aug 20, 2014 15:41:47 GMT
Well, that's your domesday scenario. I meant if we were still scrabbling round at the bottom end of the table. Both Bristol and Sheff Utd were absolute shite for the first couple of months last season in L1 and then flew. No reason we could not do the sameIt could also be argued that there is no reason that we could do the same. Obviously that could be true, but surely being a supporter means you've got to look on the optimistic side. Otherwise, what's the point
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