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Post by Best Mate on Jan 27, 2011 14:52:16 GMT
Sorry for starting another Gray and Keys debate but....
Next time a women in my office says I have manflu when ill in the office, is that sexism? There are plenty of other examples that exist in every day life that are just standard comments in the work place, such as men not listening for directions or men not reading instruction manuals, women cannot reverse park etc.
Was the original comment not just making a 'standard' woman joke (in private).
From reading a lot of threads - I can see - a lot of people doing a forward defensive shot to this and putting their PC head on. If it had been said on air - maybe a big warning would have sufficed about his behaviour but to sack him - was a joke.
The Richard Keys comments (that were leaked about 'smashing that') is no worse then I hear every weekend in the pub. Again it was said in private between 'men'.
Someone has it in for them and hence the release of the tapes.
Maybe it will freshen up the coverage on Sky. I know people want that anyway. But I imagine Sky, unless they issued a warning to Gray at the time of his first comment to a colleague in December - will be paying out a large compensation sum to him.....
Its a bit of a rant really - I just hate the fact that when the newspapers have nothing else to write about about - they launch into something which is totally OTT. The silly immigrant from the X Factor in the Summer was another example of totally OTT coverage of a matter that was really not that interesting.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 15:12:08 GMT
I agree its all totally OTT. I think maybe it just became clear to SKY that it was time to freshen things up and they used this as an excuse.
After last weeks outrageous racism against Scousers and probably numerous other offences, do you think Clarkson and co will be next for the chop?
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Post by luvthepink on Jan 27, 2011 15:27:49 GMT
when the next woman says summat about my extra large manhood i'll be putting a complaint in dont you worry
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Post by hairy on Jan 27, 2011 16:20:01 GMT
As the only woman likely to say that to you is a whore she will probably take that on board and try and improve the service for next time.
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Post by gavinarchery65 on Jan 27, 2011 16:48:15 GMT
when the next woman says summat about my extra large manhood i'll be putting a complaint in dont you worry My friend's three year old would make you look petite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 18:25:10 GMT
But it wasn't said in private between to men. It was said at work, where it's not appropriate. Watch Graeme Souness in the video, he clearly knows Keys has crossed the line and looks embarrassed and awkward.
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Post by Best Mate on Jan 27, 2011 18:40:37 GMT
Well, I guess we are back on topic now.....!
Can't agree my friend - I have countless 'awkward chats' in our office. I certainly would not expect anyone to be fired over them. The majority pass me by as I have no comment to add and others I add my two pennies worth.
Also, again, if he was offended by the chat, he needs to have a word with their bosses so they can be reprimanded. There is a procedure to follow and I think there will be a pretty large law suit heading Sky's way for sacking someone for a suggestive comment or two without prior warning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 21:20:17 GMT
He had had a warning, in December for his "tuck me in comment". If I said that to a female colleague at the office I'd expect at the very least a severe warning if not worse.
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Post by yellowhoods on Jan 27, 2011 22:02:53 GMT
He had had a warning, in December for his "tuck me in comment". If I said that to a female colleague at the office I'd expect at the very least a severe warning if not worse. Quite. I think people are forgetting Gray was sacked for that, not the criticism of the assistant.
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Post by Best Mate on Jan 27, 2011 22:04:17 GMT
But was he warned for that?
I have not read anywhere that he was and I have seen a lot written. (I have an hour commute and pretty much just read papers to pass the time both ways!!).
If he was - then I would say have a more water-tight case then I thought.
Even if my own view is that its still a ridiculous decision....
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Post by yellowhoods on Jan 27, 2011 22:22:14 GMT
But was he warned for that? I have not read anywhere that he was and I have seen a lot written. (I have an hour commute and pretty much just read papers to pass the time both ways!!). If he was - then I would say have a more water-tight case then I thought. Even if my own view is that its still a ridiculous decision.... You're right. It sounds like the sort of disciplinary procedure most of us would expect (verbal warning, written warning, dismissal) didn't happen, and that after the assistant stuff they were actively looking for more ammunition. So possibly a tad unfair, but Gray was still a t*at for putting himself at risk at all. Maybe 20 years at Sky had made him complacent.
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Post by alessandro on Jan 27, 2011 23:18:04 GMT
So much I'd love to say!
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Post by Young Money on Jan 28, 2011 1:03:11 GMT
What I don't get about everyone defending him saying he was 'joking' - if you watch the videos where he says women don't understand the offside rule, he clearly isn't joking. And you cant have a pundit who thinks that a qualified female referee doesn't understand one of the fundamental rules of the game!
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Post by Best Mate on Jan 28, 2011 11:04:34 GMT
Pundits, like fans, I think will become more accustomed to having females running the lines and refereeing games the more it happens. The fact is, his view to the public (when aired) has to help that transition.
But his view was off camera (and I am pretty sure it was tongue in cheek). You imply he should have an implicit trust in the FA referee schooling system. Why? As a pundit, he is also there to challenge their decisions (as well as the performances of the players).
The ironic thing is, the lino made a split second call and deserves all the plaudits for getting it right. BUT, lets just say, she had got it wrong - then do you think the very same questions would not have been raised in the British press? Not because she got a decision wrong (anyone see Clattenburgs howler at Ewood Park when he did not give a pen?) but because she was a women.
That I am afraid is a fact quite simply because it is not the norm to have a women official in the Premiership - and like anything, when it is a rarity, it is scrutinized.
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