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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 3, 2014 15:12:57 GMT
Is anyone else following this?
England batted far, far too passively in the early overs (including taking the batting power play early and only making 20 runs during it) and are now losing wickets in a clatter because they are panicing trying to make up lost time/runs.
They're going to lose this by a mile unless one of the lower middle order makes a very good and very quick 60 or 70.
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Post by SteMerritt on Jun 3, 2014 15:46:18 GMT
Yeah I'm following it. Will need a really massive finish from Butler to get anywhere near 280, and I'd say that is a bare minimum.
We are too slow out of the blocks. Sacrifice one of the top 4, bring in Hales. Drop Morgan, just not doing it.
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Post by teamyellow on Jun 3, 2014 22:52:36 GMT
Hales not playing is mystifying.
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Post by baldy on Jun 3, 2014 22:56:42 GMT
What a bloody numpty that Buttler is. Talk about thick.
He's given a warning by the bowler yet still flouts it and is rightly run out.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jun 4, 2014 11:32:22 GMT
What a bloody numpty that Buttler is. Talk about thick. He's given a warning by the bowler yet still flouts it and is rightly run out. I agree with you there Baldy. I'm not sure why all the pundits are criticizing Sri Lanka for this. Sri Lanka warned him twice for encroaching, and they were well within their rights to whip the bails off. Some may say it's against the spirit of the game, but equally you could argue it's against the spirit of the game for the non-striker to sneak a few yards down the pitch before the bowler has even released the ball. If you didn't have this rule in place, then Buttler would be half way down the pitch before the ball has even left the bowlers hand!
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Post by baldy on Jun 4, 2014 11:50:54 GMT
What a bloody numpty that Buttler is. Talk about thick. He's given a warning by the bowler yet still flouts it and is rightly run out. I agree with you there Baldy. I'm not sure why all the pundits are criticizing Sri Lanka for this. Sri Lanka warned him twice for encroaching, and they were well within their rights to whip the bails off. Some may say it's against the spirit of the game, but equally you could argue it's against the spirit of the game for the non-striker to sneak a few yards down the pitch before the bowler has even released the ball. If you didn't have this rule in place, then Buttler would be half way down the pitch before the ball has even left the bowlers hand! Absolutely right. I could understand England's anger if it had been done without warning but Sri Lanka have clearly noted Buttler is habitually doing this and having drawn his attention to it twice which was in the spirit of the game then they are perfectly entitled to get p*ssed off when he blatantly ignores those warnings a third time. When I played, albeit it at village level and being taught at school, it was always the done thing as the non striker to stride down the wicket a pace or two but always making sure the tip of your bat remained behind the line until the bowler had let go of the ball. It's elementary and if I was the England manager I'd be livid with Buttler. Next time Sri Lanka shouldn't give out any warning if he does it again. Just whip the bails off and run the idiot out.
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Post by foley on Jun 4, 2014 12:14:26 GMT
Well I am wholly unimpressed with Cook as a Captain and to the start from Moores (second time).
To have a top 4 of Cook, Bell, balance, Root for a one day international in my view is ridiculous. Then leave out Hales, Lumb (oh and a certain KP)
I heard Cook suggesting that the Root/ Balance partnership was important and laid the foundations for Buttler nearly getting us over the line in the penultimate game. Sorry but Buttler probably played the best one day innings of an Englishman in a ODI and we still didn't win.
The rumours are that Cook wants Foster in as W/K in the Tests rather than Buttler.
Cook was criticised for being too negative as a Captain. So OK we get rid of KP, our best batman, bring in Moores and there are comments of a new dawn. Which is all fine. But the negative way England are set up is really disappointing.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 4, 2014 12:16:02 GMT
I'm as concerned about the fielding and Cook's captaincy. Neither fill me with much confidence at the moment. This is a young team that needs some strong leadership.
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 4, 2014 12:35:35 GMT
I agree with you there Baldy. I'm not sure why all the pundits are criticizing Sri Lanka for this. Sri Lanka warned him twice for encroaching, and they were well within their rights to whip the bails off. Some may say it's against the spirit of the game, but equally you could argue it's against the spirit of the game for the non-striker to sneak a few yards down the pitch before the bowler has even released the ball. If you didn't have this rule in place, then Buttler would be half way down the pitch before the ball has even left the bowlers hand! Absolutely right. I could understand England's anger if it had been done without warning but Sri Lanka have clearly noted Buttler is habitually doing this and having drawn his attention to it twice which was in the spirit of the game then they are perfectly entitled to get p*ssed off when he blatantly ignores those warnings a third time. When I played, albeit it at village level and being taught at school, it was always the done thing as the non striker to stride down the wicket a pace or two but always making sure the tip of your bat remained behind the line until the bowler had let go of the ball. It's elementary and if I was the England manager I'd be livid with Buttler. Next time Sri Lanka shouldn't give out any warning if he does it again. Just whip the bails off and run the idiot out. Is it a bit like not returning the football to the opposition after the ball has been kicked out due to an injury??
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 4, 2014 13:11:23 GMT
No. According to the laws the Sri Lankans could have run him out without a warning, however that's considered very much 'not cricket' as mentioned.
2 warnings is a bit surprising, in my day (school and village) it was customary to give only 1 warning.
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Post by pooshooter on Jun 4, 2014 13:36:42 GMT
Well if you have a rule book you play by it. I think Sri Lanka have done nothing wrong and if they warned Buttler then that's tough if he chooses to ignore.
Foster is a good steady wicket keeper and reasonably reliable batsman at county level but he is getting on a bit and England should be building for the future. Cook must leave the one day side asap. He only got in it in the first place to give him some captaincy experience. And Bell and Root are test players not limited overs players, so back to the KP decision, which was clearly going to come back and bite cook on the goolies!!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 4, 2014 13:54:03 GMT
KP didn't do very much of note in the IPL this year. His ship has sailed I think - rightly or wrongly.
I don't think there's any thing wrong with having Bell opening, you need a bit of stability in the batting, but you've got to pair him with someone more attacking. Or you end up with yesterday's scenario where because neither of the openers got out we lost all momentum and pottered along scoring singles.
Buttler had been warned twice, so it was his own fault. I can understand the outcry if the Sri Lankans had done it the first time, I think he was lucky they warned him the second time.
It was a pretty depressing match I thought, from an England point of view. Obvious what was likely to happen from about halfway through our innings.
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Post by mooro on Jun 4, 2014 14:50:40 GMT
I agree with you there Baldy. I'm not sure why all the pundits are criticizing Sri Lanka for this. Sri Lanka warned him twice for encroaching, and they were well within their rights to whip the bails off. Some may say it's against the spirit of the game, but equally you could argue it's against the spirit of the game for the non-striker to sneak a few yards down the pitch before the bowler has even released the ball. If you didn't have this rule in place, then Buttler would be half way down the pitch before the ball has even left the bowlers hand! Absolutely right. I could understand England's anger if it had been done without warning but Sri Lanka have clearly noted Buttler is habitually doing this and having drawn his attention to it twice which was in the spirit of the game then they are perfectly entitled to get p*ssed off when he blatantly ignores those warnings a third time. When I played, albeit it at village level and being taught at school, it was always the done thing as the non striker to stride down the wicket a pace or two but always making sure the tip of your bat remained behind the line until the bowler had let go of the ball. It's elementary and if I was the England manager I'd be livid with Buttler. Next time Sri Lanka shouldn't give out any warning if he does it again. Just whip the bails off and run the idiot out. I once got no-balled in a works league game for not telling the umpire my bowling action! Fair play to the Sri Lankans, a warning in the previous game, another warning in this game, perfectly within the spirit of the game. I'd even argue that it is the English response that fails to sit within the spirit of the game....bad show Cookie.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 4, 2014 15:56:37 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 6, 2014 11:28:49 GMT
Buttler was being a right dozy prat. He wasn't charging down the wicket, he was just lolloping a couple of paces down the track.
The problem is that if Mankading were to become commonplace, I think you'd find that two thirds of all batsmen tend to take an early step. And towards the end of a one day or Twenty20 innings, when the batsmen are basically playing tip and run, I reckon you'd be able to Mankad the non-striker every ball if you cunningly disguised your delivery stride.
I don't particularly want to watch 15 minute final overs where the bowler keeps stopping and waving at the stumps, just to stop the non-striker taking six inches of a head start.......
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Post by m on Jun 6, 2014 13:38:30 GMT
Cricket, yesterday;
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