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Post by backonthecoupon on May 8, 2014 19:59:59 GMT
Why don't the self serving money grabbing twats say what they mean and scrap relegation from the premier league.
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Post by concretebob on May 8, 2014 20:07:10 GMT
And what happens if England somehow win the World Cup this summer? Oh that's right! It'll all be thanks to Greg Dyke.
An utter tosser.
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Post by ox5 on May 8, 2014 21:22:15 GMT
If this goes ahead, we might as well give up. What would be the point.
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Post by Lone Gunman on May 8, 2014 21:55:19 GMT
If this goes ahead, we might as well give up. What would be the point. Sadly I think it will go ahead. The FA/Prem can easily force the Football League clubs to wear it by threatening to cut off the solidarity payments. I imagine there are very few FL chairmen who will be able to stand up to that, whether they want to or not. Dyke is in the pocket of the Premiership and we will all have to suffer the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 22:32:41 GMT
If this goes ahead, we might as well give up. What would be the point. Sadly I think it will go ahead. The FA/Prem can easily force the Football League clubs to wear it by threatening to cut off the solidarity payments. I imagine there are very few FL chairmen who will be able to stand up to that, whether they want to or not. Dyke is in the pocket of the Premiership and we will all have to suffer the consequences. I'm afraid that I would have absolutely no interest in paying to watch a reserve league on a weekend.
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Post by lodeyellow on May 9, 2014 5:09:05 GMT
Nor would I.
There was animated opposition to the B-team proposals from Steve Claridge on 5 Live last night. Also some very good points from Luton's CEO, Gary Sweet.
It's emerged that, although Dyke's Commission claims to have carried out 650 interviews, they haven't bothered to speak to organisations such as the Conference, the Football Supporters Federation or Supporters Direct.
Disgraceful.
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Post by concretebob on May 9, 2014 6:02:03 GMT
Does Greg Dyke honestly think we all care about England that much? The worst part is if England actually do alright this summer he will take all the credit.
Danny Mills came out with a rather patronising comment yesterday too. He said, as an example, fans of Hartlepool would rather play Man United B instead of Torquay.
Honestly I don't think it'll happen but the whole idea that the FA are considering it is enough to get me a bit angry.
On a lighter note, Scum fan Gavin Brown of the Metro gave us a little mention this morning whilst writing about this. Although it seemed a bit of a fantasy!
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Post by horse on May 9, 2014 6:41:12 GMT
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Post by billyox on May 9, 2014 6:50:33 GMT
I can see this as a way of getting celtic in to the English leagues
Sent from my SM-N9005 using proboards
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Post by sihath on May 9, 2014 6:54:59 GMT
Another of the FA's ideas:
No non-EU players allowed outside the PL.
How will that help to develop young English players?
Sorry Oxford United, you can't have Jon Paul Pitman, he's American and he's stopping the development of young English players.
Chelsea? 10 or 15 non-Eu players..... that's fine, carry on. We're terrified of doing anything that might upset you and the other PL clubs
How the hell does that improve England's qualification chances?
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Post by aylesburyrich on May 9, 2014 6:57:35 GMT
Utterly disgraceful proposal. Just shows that for some people the premier league/national team are everything and the football league means nothing. This would be the death of the lower leagues.
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Post by palmersgreenyellow on May 9, 2014 7:05:24 GMT
This might just be worth marching for. Fans of all league and conference clubs descending on FA HQ.
I feel sick to the stomach about these proposals.
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Post by sihath on May 9, 2014 7:08:58 GMT
Utterly disgraceful proposal. Just shows that for some people the premier league/national team are everything and the football league means nothing. This would be the death of the lower leagues. I hope these proposals act as a catalyst for people to start supporting their local clubs. I hope I'm wrong but I fear that the average armchair fanboy would rather watch Man Utd B v Norwich B on MUTV than watch Oxford United on a cold Tuesday night against Bury. I wonder if the FL/Conference/FSA could come up with an alternative plan? Restrict the number of non-English players in any clubs squad. Restrict the hoovering up of talent from around the country into the PL. Tear up the EEE plan where PL clubs can poach players from smaller clubs for a pittance.
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Post by oxfordharrier on May 9, 2014 7:12:07 GMT
I actually don't think the B league will happen - the FA, according to yesterday's Telegraph, have pretty much already said it's a dead duck. The devil, however, is in the detail of what we're going to get instead - particularly if as is usual in these things, the B League is just a smokescreen (something so ludicrous that it's a victory when it doesn't happen but the real aim goes through undercover because by comparison it looks rational). There's an interesting copy and paste of the recommendations about half way down the 3rd page of this thread: www.harriers-online.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8487&start=30seems to me that my own prediction of "zombie clubs" from the other day isn't actually that wide of the mark - eg "Strategic Loan Partnerships" with up to two clubs in League 1 or below. An SLP will mean that the current loan rules go out the window, and a club can have up to 8 players on loan with its partner at any one time. Assuming there's going to be some sort of agreement about match time, this could mean that eg Accrington become Man Utd reserves to all intents and purposes, or Oxford Liverpool's. And, before anyone gets too excited about that, just think it through - your manager has little or no control over who he brings in (owners say "what's the point giving you a budget when Liverpool have just said here's £x per year to play 5 of our lads in every match"), mandatory picks of certain players (or, if not mandatory, then at least forceful business reasons to go with one bloke over another). I don't know what that is, but it's not a football club. If they don't get an up-front B League then this will ensure they get a back door one. If you haven't already signed the petition, please do so. I know as a Kiddy fan that in the great scheme of things we may not be that good, but at least it's our not good. I'm ambivalent about buying success, but certainly against having success for someone else bought through us in all but name.
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Post by oxfordharrier on May 9, 2014 7:17:20 GMT
oh, I missed out the bit where the SLP club gets to "guide" the experience of its loanees at the "junior" club, and can take up to 25% equity ownership of the "junior" club to bring "stability" to the relationship....
Stop it. Now.
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Post by sihath on May 9, 2014 7:21:50 GMT
This might just be worth marching for. Fans of all league and conference clubs descending on FA HQ. I feel sick to the stomach about these proposals. Good idea. FA Cup Final day?
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Post by backonthecoupon on May 9, 2014 8:26:58 GMT
I agree with oxford hariier I think the feeder team (SLP) is the FA's real intention. And it will ultimately serve a similar purpose and damage as B teams.
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Post by oxfordharrier on May 9, 2014 10:05:58 GMT
It also occurs to me that were SLPs to go ahead there's probably scope for the PFA to get involved against it - given that flooding Leagues 1 , 2, and the conference with Prem/Champ U21s is going to greatly reduce the market for and employability of lower league journeymen (who the PFA spend most of their time representing as the big boys have got other avenues of redress).
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Post by bicesterox on May 9, 2014 10:32:29 GMT
Can see it now 1] Liverpool B 2] Spurs B 3] Hartlepool 4] Man City B 5] Southampton B Hartlepool are promoted
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Post by rickspangle on May 9, 2014 12:18:16 GMT
This might just be worth marching for. Fans of all league and conference clubs descending on FA HQ. I feel sick to the stomach about these proposals. Good idea. FA Cup Final day? ... maybe blocking up the tube stations and routes to Wembley, and delaying/postponing the final?
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Post by Gary Baldi on May 9, 2014 12:29:13 GMT
The whole thing stinks. If you are going to fundamentally alter the structure of football in England, then everyone needs to have a say. Putting a biased report out and gong well there you go, it's for the England team is a nonsense. Top teams care about the product, not the national team.
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Post by KLYellow on May 9, 2014 13:09:57 GMT
Just adding my contribution. When we have played large teams before, mainly friendlies, aren't they a draw to fans? I was surprised when I use to live in Leicester in early 2000's that they would get 15,000+ for a reserve match vs Man Utd in which MU were mainly playing youngsters?
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Post by oxfordharrier on May 9, 2014 15:33:11 GMT
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Post by whitehorsered (Swindon fan) on May 9, 2014 20:51:25 GMT
We even love you (by comparison) on the Townend forum:
I could quite happily support town for the rest of my life never playing the top 5. It would make f*ck all difference to me. If I was given a choice of playing Man U or the Scum - no contest. Agreed, let the top clubs f*ck off and leave us to get on with it..........and they can take their B teams as well
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 9, 2014 21:30:42 GMT
Does Greg Dyke honestly think we all care about England that much? The worst part is if England actually do alright this summer he will take all the credit. Danny Mills came out with a rather patronising comment yesterday too. He said, as an example, fans of Hartlepool would rather play Man United B instead of Torquay. Honestly I don't think it'll happen but the whole idea that the FA are considering it is enough to get me a bit angry. On a lighter note, Scum fan Gavin Brown of the Metro gave us a little mention this morning whilst writing about this. Although it seemed a bit of a fantasy! He is a W**KER not just being patronising.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 9, 2014 21:33:07 GMT
I can see this as a way of getting celtic in to the English leagues Sent from my SM-N9005 using proboards Not if they gain independence from Britain.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 9, 2014 21:43:00 GMT
Simple idea for Greg Dyke, The year 2017 a referendum vote in or out.......vote out and restrict the movement of foreign nationals. Then that hopefully will force the premiership to start fielding young English talent rather than keep on bringing in foreign players, Total fu**ing greed by the premiership.
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Post by lodeyellow on May 9, 2014 22:13:10 GMT
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Post by Gary Baldi on May 10, 2014 12:48:24 GMT
The report shows how naïve and arrogant Greg Dyke is. I heard Stan Collymore ranting yesterday that he felt like he wasted his time speaking to the FA as clearly they weren't interested in listening.
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Post by Gary Baldi on May 10, 2014 12:53:58 GMT
I hate to say it, but I pretty much agree with Brian Lee:
Lee said his organisation, which oversees the Conference Premier, North and South divisions which sit immediately below the Football League, had not been consulted on the plan.
He said: "We will resist it, for the pyramid of football - the competitions that feed into the Conference.
"The Football Association has lost the plot. At the moment, we don't support it, that's for sure.
"I'm not sure that this is the answer but I don't know what the answer is.
"At least it's started the ball rolling. We haven't had many alternatives at the moment, including from the Conference."
Lee believes leading clubs working closely with lower-league teams and improved coaching were better solutions to raising standards in the English game.
He said: "I see a good relationship developing in different ways. For example, there's a good relationship with Hyde and Manchester City, and a good relationship between Aldershot and Chelsea.
"We've got a wonderful centre at St George's Park but we need to improve the quality of coaching.
"We need some inspiration in the coaching world. We need someone like David Beckham at St George's Park, for example."
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