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Post by dabigfella on Aug 11, 2012 14:12:04 GMT
Sad really. A perfectly legitimate criticism and you have to play silly buggers in reply. Why? I feel most players have had enough game time in pre season to get match fit and in many ways the Bournemouth game will be another game before the start of the season to ensure all players are up to full match fitness. If the first team players all played this week then they would have played to many games before the Bournemouth game. Because the original post was not about fitness, but about whether the potential starting line had had enough time together to gel as a team. Given the number of enforced changes this could be rather important!!!!!!!
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Post by Lone Gunman on Aug 11, 2012 14:29:36 GMT
But if half the first team gets injured in pre-season because you failed to husband your resources then you still won't have a safety buffer will you! Id rather see a situation in which we start slowly due to rustiness and build momentum rather than risk not starting at all by going too hard in pre-season in the hopes that we might race out of the blocks. I understand your point but at the moment half the first team defence and midfield are injured! The other half either have played next to no football, on a plastic pitch or with a bunch of strangers. The whole point of pre season games is to get players fit, to gel, work on formations etc and be ready for the season ahead. If players dont play because the manager doesnt want them to get injured whats the point of having a preseason? We are playing teams full of trialists we cant sign and it appears he isnt even going to the games (valid excuse v Eastleigh). We (he) needs to hit the ground running this season and I just dont think we will be ready. Just hope I am wrong. Don't take this the wrong way but you obviously haven't understood my point. If as you say, half the first team squad is already injured, what is the point of risking injuring the rest of it in pre-season games which mean nothing trying to get the players used to playing with each other? What do you think they do in training? Practice on individual pitches all by themselves!? Ultimately pre-season matches are not the be-all and end-all of getting the players to work as a unit as much as they are helpful. Ideally, you would of course want to give the players some game time to gel, but even then a pre-season match against some non-event American side on a plastic pitch isn't exactly the best preparation for the likes of Accy Stanley away in November when its pissing down and the pitch is a mire. Because of the injury situation you have rightly highlighted, the club seems to have taken the decision not to risk further problems to those players we have left which I see nothing wrong with. Doubtless more work toward 'gelling' will be being done on the training pitch to cover the lack of pre season game time and even in the event that the first team squad has a tentative start at least there will be a squad to make that start.
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Post by moroccanyellow on Aug 11, 2012 14:44:31 GMT
Chapman has turned into such a dirty tackler since he came back for us. He loves to leave a stud or two in.
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Post by cutteslowechris on Aug 11, 2012 17:53:24 GMT
I've always thought (rightly or wrong) that if a player comes back overweight or unfit they were fined.
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Post by meatballs24 on Aug 11, 2012 22:19:25 GMT
Yep only a couple of late tackles by both sides handbags at halftime with Basham cooling things down and reminding Everyone it was a friendly! United really did not have enough first teamers to form an opinion,but with the league cup game Tuesday you can't risk your main men! As for City they will have to improve rapidly at the back if they are to get a result against Chester on Sat.
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Post by barmyarmy on Aug 12, 2012 19:47:27 GMT
I understand your point but at the moment half the first team defence and midfield are injured! The other half either have played next to no football, on a plastic pitch or with a bunch of strangers. The whole point of pre season games is to get players fit, to gel, work on formations etc and be ready for the season ahead. If players dont play because the manager doesnt want them to get injured whats the point of having a preseason? We are playing teams full of trialists we cant sign and it appears he isnt even going to the games (valid excuse v Eastleigh). We (he) needs to hit the ground running this season and I just dont think we will be ready. Just hope I am wrong. Don't take this the wrong way but you obviously haven't understood my point. If as you say, half the first team squad is already injured, what is the point of risking injuring the rest of it in pre-season games which mean nothing trying to get the players used to playing with each other? What do you think they do in training? Practice on individual pitches all by themselves!? Ultimately pre-season matches are not the be-all and end-all of getting the players to work as a unit as much as they are helpful. Ideally, you would of course want to give the players some game time to gel, but even then a pre-season match against some non-event American side on a plastic pitch isn't exactly the best preparation for the likes of Accy Stanley away in November when its pissing down and the pitch is a mire. Because of the injury situation you have rightly highlighted, the club seems to have taken the decision not to risk further problems to those players we have left which I see nothing wrong with. Doubtless more work toward 'gelling' will be being done on the training pitch to cover the lack of pre season game time and even in the event that the first team squad has a tentative start at least there will be a squad to make that start. I actually said half the defence and midfield are injured. What do the players do in training? You mean apart from getting injured? They play against each other, not alongside each other like they do in matches. So what is the point of pre season games then? Cant play anyone, they might get injured, play trialists we cant sign and p*ss off fans that take the time and trouble to go and watch a bunch of strangers.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Aug 12, 2012 20:00:51 GMT
Don't take this the wrong way but you obviously haven't understood my point. If as you say, half the first team squad is already injured, what is the point of risking injuring the rest of it in pre-season games which mean nothing trying to get the players used to playing with each other? What do you think they do in training? Practice on individual pitches all by themselves!? Ultimately pre-season matches are not the be-all and end-all of getting the players to work as a unit as much as they are helpful. Ideally, you would of course want to give the players some game time to gel, but even then a pre-season match against some non-event American side on a plastic pitch isn't exactly the best preparation for the likes of Accy Stanley away in November when its pissing down and the pitch is a mire. Because of the injury situation you have rightly highlighted, the club seems to have taken the decision not to risk further problems to those players we have left which I see nothing wrong with. Doubtless more work toward 'gelling' will be being done on the training pitch to cover the lack of pre season game time and even in the event that the first team squad has a tentative start at least there will be a squad to make that start. I actually said half the defence and midfield are injured. What do the players do in training? You mean apart from getting injured? They play against each other, not alongside each other like they do in matches. So what is the point of pre season games then? Cant play anyone, they might get injured, play trialists we cant sign and p*ss off fans that take the time and trouble to go and watch a bunch of strangers. As i've said here and elsewhere, ideally you'd want to play as many players as possible in pre-season. As you correctly point out, the purpose of it is to get people used to playing with each other in a situation more akin (though far from the same as) a real match situation. If you really believe that the players don't improve their ability to play as a unit in training then I think you are displaying a degree of naivety. Even if they are playing in small matches against each other they're at least getting used to playing with the men in that small group, and they're all going to be figuring out each others style of play. Its disappointing for the fans to see, as you put it, a bunch of strangers but what's more disappointing, a couple of underwhelming pre season games or an underwhelming season due to pre-season injuries?
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Post by barmyarmy on Aug 12, 2012 20:17:16 GMT
Or an underwhelming season due to players not being prepared? Do you think the players have improved their ability to play as a unit in training then? Defensively maybe, attacking?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Aug 12, 2012 20:56:45 GMT
Or an underwhelming season due to players not being prepared? Do you think the players have improved their ability to play as a unit in training then? Defensively maybe, attacking? I think that if the team wasn't improving its ability to work as a team in training it's be seriously disturbing. The fitness aspect to training is one thing but surely for the majority of the season its about maintaining fitness which can be done through the medium of exercises which aim to see the team work as a better unit. Therefore i don't think the team is being massively short changed through missing out on some of its less spectacular pre season games. As i mentioned, ideally you'd want to see the players putting it together in pre season and being as prepared as possible but if you have to risk adding to an already impressive injury list to do that i think you can understand why the club has scaled back the commitment of first team players, a move which i agree with though, i admit, it is open to question.
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