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Post by Contact eaststandboy on Jul 30, 2012 18:23:13 GMT
Did anyone see that? Bloody Japanese appealed there final piece pushing us from silver to bronze!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 18:25:59 GMT
Hard to take, but the Japs were right to appeal. The dismount hadn't been marked correctly. Still an excellent result for GB.
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Post by yellowj on Jul 30, 2012 18:39:18 GMT
Great result for Team GB, but still don't like bad losers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 18:48:57 GMT
Great result for Team GB, but still don't like bad losers. I really don't think it was a case of "bad losers". The judges made a mistake, the Japs pointed it out and it was corrected. If that had happened to the British team we would undoubtedly support an appeal!
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 20:18:14 GMT
Sounds fair, the japs would have been hard done by. First gymnastic for us in over a 100 years?
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Post by Chris1986 on Jul 30, 2012 20:40:46 GMT
Its a shame how it came about. At the end of the day bronze was still a fantastic result but almost seemed an anti climax, would have been better if it had just finished with us in 3rd and no need for the appeal.
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Post by cheekoh on Jul 30, 2012 20:54:30 GMT
a bronze is better than an electric shock to the genitals?
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 30, 2012 21:05:46 GMT
A thoroughly disgraceful decision by the judges to even listen to the Japanese appeal. Yes he was hard done by, but that's sport. You have to have the element of human error. It happened to Amir Khan against Lamont Peterson, and there have been countless other example throughout the history of sport - the referee's decision is final and it goes against everything that the Olympics stands for.
Anyway congratulations to the Great British gymnasts on a fantastic achievement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 21:33:30 GMT
A thoroughly disgraceful decision by the judges to even listen to the Japanese appeal. But if the roles were reversed and GB had been deprived of a medal due to the same judging error, appealed and were promoted from 4th to 2nd, how would you feel then? Would you think the actions of the judges to listen to an appeal were "disgraceful"? Maybe you would, but I suspect not. We basically feel hard done by because our own country has suffered. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right and proper thing to do.
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Post by The Fence End on Jul 30, 2012 22:25:37 GMT
That's the problem with sports where things are subjective and you rely on judges.
Much less room for error when the winner is whoever has scored the most goals/points/runs or has beat their competitors to the finish line.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 31, 2012 7:53:35 GMT
A thoroughly disgraceful decision by the judges to even listen to the Japanese appeal. But if the roles were reversed and GB had been deprived of a medal due to the same judging error, appealed and were promoted from 4th to 2nd, how would you feel then? Would you think the actions of the judges to listen to an appeal were "disgraceful"? Maybe you would, but I suspect not. We basically feel hard done by because our own country has suffered. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right and proper thing to do. But we wouldn't have appealed. We would have reluctantly accepted the judge's decision. Maybe Spain vs Honduras should be replayed because Spain were denied a clear penalty in the final stages of the match. Where exactly do you draw the line, unless you have some referral system like they have in cricket and tennis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 7:58:33 GMT
But if the roles were reversed and GB had been deprived of a medal due to the same judging error, appealed and were promoted from 4th to 2nd, how would you feel then? Would you think the actions of the judges to listen to an appeal were "disgraceful"? Maybe you would, but I suspect not. We basically feel hard done by because our own country has suffered. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right and proper thing to do. But we wouldn't have appealed. We would have reluctantly accepted the judge's decision. Maybe Spain vs Honduras should be replayed because Spain were denied a clear penalty in the final stages of the match. Where exactly do you draw the line, unless you have some referral system like they have in cricket and tennis. Good football analogy, but that was one moment in a 90 minute match. The Japanese incident was a crucial part of a routine - dismount. It wasn't a question of opinion (was it a penalty or not), it was simply missed. And I'm sure we would have appealed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 8:36:26 GMT
We weren't screwed. It was a mistake then corrected end of story.
The system allows an appeal in certain sports and everyone accepts that.
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Post by moobs on Jul 31, 2012 9:25:38 GMT
A thoroughly disgraceful decision by the judges to even listen to the Japanese appeal. But if the roles were reversed and GB had been deprived of a medal due to the same judging error, appealed and were promoted from 4th to 2nd, how would you feel then? Would you think the actions of the judges to listen to an appeal were "disgraceful"? Maybe you would, but I suspect not. We basically feel hard done by because our own country has suffered. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right and proper thing to do. He'd probably feel the same as when Lampard scored a clear goal against Germany that was about 3 yards over the line or when we had a perfectly good try scored in the 2007 rugby world cup final
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 9:31:13 GMT
But if the roles were reversed and GB had been deprived of a medal due to the same judging error, appealed and were promoted from 4th to 2nd, how would you feel then? Would you think the actions of the judges to listen to an appeal were "disgraceful"? Maybe you would, but I suspect not. We basically feel hard done by because our own country has suffered. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right and proper thing to do. He'd probably feel the same as when Lampard scored a clear goal against Germany that was about 3 yards over the line or when we had a perfectly good try scored in the 2007 rugby world cup final Irrelevant. There is no immediate appeal in football or rugby covering those incidents. In gymnastics there is, and the Japanese used the system as it was meant to be used. Your examples weren't fair, but there was nothing we could do about either. The Japs COULD do something, and did. GB would have done the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 9:34:36 GMT
I don't think you can compare it to football because in football the refs decision is final and there are no appeals. Gymnastics is clearly very different and an appeal system is part of it.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 31, 2012 9:44:39 GMT
He'd probably feel the same as when Lampard scored a clear goal against Germany that was about 3 yards over the line or when we had a perfectly good try scored in the 2007 rugby world cup final Irrelevant. There is no immediate appeal in football or rugby covering those incidents. In gymnastics there is, and the Japanese used the system as it was meant to be used. Your examples weren't fair, but there was nothing we could do about either. The Japs COULD do something, and did. GB would have done the same. If it written in the rules that they are allowed to appeal like they are in cricket and tennis then fair enough. Although to me it looked as though they appealed on a whim. Why didn't they appeal it straight away? Why wait until the medal positions have been announced and then kick up a stink. In cricket you get 15 seconds to send it to the 3rd umpire otherwise it's tough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 9:47:11 GMT
Irrelevant. There is no immediate appeal in football or rugby covering those incidents. In gymnastics there is, and the Japanese used the system as it was meant to be used. Your examples weren't fair, but there was nothing we could do about either. The Japs COULD do something, and did. GB would have done the same. If it written in the rules that they are allowed to appeal like they are in cricket and tennis then fair enough. Although to me it looked as though they appealed on a whim. Why didn't they appeal it straight away? Why wait until the medal positions have been announced and then kick up a stink. In cricket you get 15 seconds to send it to the 3rd umpire otherwise it's tough. Yeh, I can partly agree with that. They obviously only appealed once they realised they'd lost medal position. But I'm sure if a time limit for appeal was in operation they would have appealed straight away rather than take the risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 9:49:31 GMT
It wasn't cricket though! Those who know about gymnastics aren't complaining of any foul play.
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Post by SteMerritt on Jul 31, 2012 9:51:40 GMT
They obviously only appealed once they realised they'd lost medal position. But I'm sure if a time limit for appeal was in operation they would have appealed straight away rather than take the risk. To be fair it was their last bloke who had the problems, and they didn't know they had lost a medal until his score was posted up! His score and the medal loss became apparent at the same time...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 13:09:28 GMT
It's amazing how quickly become experts on a sport during the Olympics. Comments like yellowj's about "sore losers" are absolutely dripping in irony.
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Post by tonyw on Jul 31, 2012 13:22:16 GMT
Agree with headless - let's be honest here, most of us are spending the Olympics watching sports we're not used to and don't really understand.
All the frothing of the mouth I've heard about the Gymnastics has come from novices. The opinion of all the experts I've read was that what happened was absolutely fair, and a relatively normal turn of events in the sport. End of the day - we got the medal we deserved. And that in itself was an extraordinary performance.
If people want to get agitated about something, though, how about this:
Our three biggest medal hauls in the Olympics are likely to come from Track Cycling, Rowing and Sailing. Great - but each of those events only allows one competitor per nation. In some, we clearly have several of the world's best who could each be gunning for a medal.
Other sports allow three competitors per sport. The Italians, for example, got Gold, Silver & Bronze in the fencing the other day.
Should this be normalised across all sports so that the medal table really reflects overall performance, rather than potentially being unfairly tilted towards certain events?
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 31, 2012 13:35:28 GMT
Comments like yellowj's about "sore losers" are absolutely dripping in irony. Yes, now the Americans on the other hand...
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