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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 14:26:46 GMT
As Northern Ireland isn't part of GB but part of the UK (the UK being the United Kingdom of GB and Northern Ireland). What country do athletes from Northern Ireland represent? If its Ireland as in the Rugby, then why were the Irish team marching behind the flag of the Republic of Ireland at the opening ceremony? If it's for GB, then that's surely wrong isn't it? Also why do GB use the Union Flag of the UK which has the red cross of St Patrick on it? There is actually a flag of GB which I have actually seen flyiing in the Lake District once, as shown on this wikipedia page, but no one seems to know it exists. Its the Union Flag without the red cross (half way down the wikipedia page). Can anyone shed any light. Here's the bit from the wikipedia page. wikipedia page ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by chuckbert on Jul 30, 2012 14:35:20 GMT
Google is your friend. Search for ulster team gb and you'll find that GB is the name for UK in the IOC. (notice how Wales never features in any flag.)
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 30, 2012 14:40:33 GMT
Great Britain is actually the name of the island that most of us reside on. If you want to be really pedantic it should be Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, Ardernay, Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles, Lewis, Outer Hebrides, Orkney, Shetland Isles plus a few other little islands!
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 14:43:18 GMT
The union jack represents a union of countries, Wales is a principality, or a country within a country so not represented.
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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 14:44:08 GMT
Yes but that's just plainly wrong. Northern Ireland isn't part of GB in any way, shape or form. We should in that case be called Team UK. I think this is where people, including the IOC don't actually know there is a difference. And as for the internet, it also is too unreliable on this topic. Type in flag of GB and you get images of the Union flag. It is so confusing, I don't think many people of GB know there is actually a difference between GB and the UK themselves.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 14:44:36 GMT
Great Britain is actually the name of the island that most of us reside on. If you want to be really pedantic it should be Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, Ardernay, Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles, Lewis, Outer Hebrides, Orkney, Shetland Isles plus a few other little islands! No, Britain is the geographical name of the Island. Great Britain is a political term.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 14:47:36 GMT
Yes but that's just plainly wrong. Northern Ireland isn't part of GB in any way, shape or form. We should in that case be called Team UK. No, it should be UK. The 'team' part is just daft. ..but yes, GB is incorrect (and doesn't easily lend itself to football songs).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 14:50:40 GMT
agree, we should be UK, although I'd prefer it if we competed as separate nations.
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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 14:52:19 GMT
Great Britain is the Union of England, Scotland and the Principality of Wales. The Bailiwicks of Jersey, Guernsey, Sark etc, are not part of Geat Britain.
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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 14:55:12 GMT
agree, we should be UK, although I'd prefer it if we competed as separate nations. Hopefully that might happen if Scotland vote to leave the Union soon.
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Post by chuckbert on Jul 30, 2012 14:55:36 GMT
(Pedantic: it's only a "Jack" if it's on a ship, otherwise it's "union flag"). I don't get the country/principality argument Fhlh. Given that St Pats flag is on there, there is hardly any logical basis for inclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:01:42 GMT
Hopefully that might happen if Scotland vote to leave the Union soon. agree, then Wales can follow and we can give NI back to the Irish and we can all be a bit less confused!
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 15:15:19 GMT
Hopefully that might happen if Scotland vote to leave the Union soon. agree, then Wales can follow and we can give NI back to the Irish and we can all be a bit less confused! Stop it now! When did: 1. Did the Northern stop being Irish 2. Was it ever taken from the 'Irish' (the nation of Ireland only ever existed as a British/English creation) (warning, circular debate approaching)
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Post by hairy on Jul 30, 2012 15:39:02 GMT
Could the republic afford to subsidise the north? I doubt if uniting Ireland is top of the R of I's agenda at the moment.
It would be better to compete as seperate teams though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:43:35 GMT
Stop it now! When did: 1. Did the Northern stop being Irish 2. Was it ever taken from the 'Irish' (the nation of Ireland only ever existed as a British/English creation) If NI is Irish why not call the whole island "Ireland". Doesn't really make sense to have what is essentially one country divided into two. Fair enough its not up to us to "give it back" its up to the citizens of NI to vote to leave and eventually they surely will do.
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Post by munsterchampion on Jul 30, 2012 15:47:42 GMT
The team are actually called Great Britain and Northern Ireland but it just gets shortened to Great Britain or GB
Northern Irish people can compete for Ireland or Britain, it's up to them
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Post by malcolmnl on Jul 30, 2012 16:36:32 GMT
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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 17:01:28 GMT
The union jack represents a union of countries, Wales is a principality, or a country within a country so not represented. In 2007 MP's had a debate on whether to include St David's Flag in the Union Flag. Here was the favourite design.
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Post by jammydodger on Jul 30, 2012 17:11:11 GMT
The union jack represents a union of countries, Wales is a principality, or a country within a country so not represented. In 2007 MP's had a debate on whether to include St David's Flag in the Union Flag. Here was the favourite design. looks very German to me...
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Post by Long John Silver on Jul 30, 2012 18:26:45 GMT
The union jack represents a union of countries, Wales is a principality, or a country within a country so not represented. In 2007 MP's had a debate on whether to include St David's Flag in the Union Flag. Here was the favourite design. What's with the yellow and black.. where has that come from? it also further dilutes the English part of it to almost nothing. I prefer this version ... Attachments:
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Post by Oxo on Jul 30, 2012 18:53:51 GMT
The flag of St David is a Yellow Cross on a Black Backgound.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 30, 2012 20:31:02 GMT
Stop it now! When did: 1. Did the Northern stop being Irish 2. Was it ever taken from the 'Irish' (the nation of Ireland only ever existed as a British/English creation) If NI is Irish why not call the whole island "Ireland". Doesn't really make sense to have what is essentially one country divided into two. Fair enough its not up to us to "give it back" its up to the citizens of NI to vote to leave and eventually they surely will do. It is! Doesn't make it a political entity though. They south chose to leave the union but hopefully they come back home.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 30, 2012 21:20:37 GMT
The union jack represents a union of countries, Wales is a principality, or a country within a country so not represented. In 2007 MP's had a debate on whether to include St David's Flag in the Union Flag. Here was the favourite design. I suppose that is the fairest one I've seen. Even if it is a ghastly monstrosity of a flag.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 8:37:34 GMT
If we're going to include the Welsh, lets stick a dragon in the middle, that would look awesome
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Post by foghornleghorn on Jul 31, 2012 10:50:22 GMT
...the one from Ivor the Engine.
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