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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2012 9:56:06 GMT
McDermott is a great example of how there are some cracking managers out there who are completely off the radar. Can you imagine us - or any other team to be fair - giving him a job three or four years ago if he'd have applied ? Didn't we interview Adie Boothroyd too about seven years ago ? That sort of appointment would have been met with derision from just about every fan purely because of his then low profile. Even Wilder, who was at least a bit known, caused a ripple of disatisfaction because he wasn't a big enough name for a lot of fans. It isn't quite like that is it. He was Number 2 to Coppell, and wasn't given the job when Coppell left, forget the name of the bloke who came in now... And he was only appointed Caretaker when the manager was sacked. He did a good job from then and earned a crack at the job. That isn't really any different to when we appointed Mickey Lewis or Patterson, apart from the fact it worked out for them and not for us. It's not like it was an unknown they were taking a punt on... I wonder what that Brendan Rogers is up to now  . Left Reading after six months 'by mutual consent' |
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Post by southstandyellow on Apr 18, 2012 10:46:17 GMT
Don't understand this Reading love in by some of our supporters! Embarrassing!! Anyone who went to games between the two at Manor or ELm Park would understand rivalry. They are local rivals, 2nd only to Scum. F**K em and their plastic fans
RANT OVER
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Post by moobs on Apr 18, 2012 11:02:18 GMT
Managers have an advantage at Reading and similar clubs because they are very well run from top to bottom. Reading have a sugar daddy, no debt, a great stadium, a great youth set up and backroom staff. They are also a club who are not weighed down by expectation like so many clubs around them. Probably why Southampton have also done well, as they don't have the pressure of expectancy.
McDermot's done a great job but he's had a very good platform with which to work from. If he went to West Ham for instance would he have done as well carrying that burden of expectation and the fans getting on your back after a few bad results? Debatable....
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Post by sihath on Apr 18, 2012 11:19:10 GMT
Don't understand this Reading love in by some of our supporters! Embarrassing!! Anyone who went to games between the two at Manor or ELm Park would understand rivalry. They are local rivals, 2nd only to Scum. F**K em and their plastic fans RANT OVER *Yawn* Most of us are mature adults on here ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Apr 18, 2012 11:27:44 GMT
Don't understand this Reading love in by some of our supporters! Embarrassing!! Anyone who went to games between the two at Manor or ELm Park would understand rivalry. They are local rivals, 2nd only to Scum. F**K em and their plastic fans RANT OVER *Yawn* Most of us are mature adults on here Quite! Let us congratulate them the way you so gracefully congratulated Swindon. Three cheers for our rivals! Hip hip! |
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Post by Godders on Apr 18, 2012 11:36:04 GMT
Living in South Oxon I don't have a great love of Reading but I have some good banter with a couple of local Reading-supporting mates. I don't like how false the club is though, in L2 they'd struggle to get 4,000.
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Post by WeAreTheResurrection on Apr 18, 2012 11:45:35 GMT
Have had bad feelings for them since they stormed the train after aldershot last year. Attempted to storm it. They dissappeared fairly quickly when they realised our lot were up for it. But yeah, I really really f*cking hate that club when they do well. |
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Post by sihath on Apr 18, 2012 11:54:29 GMT
*Yawn* Most of us are mature adults on here Quite! Let us congratulate them the way you so gracefully congratulated Swindon. Three cheers for our rivals! Hip hip! I'd never congratulate Swindon for anything. But Reading don't have the same emotional negativity (hard to put into words, but I'm not that bothered what they do, if they're successful, whatever). Swindon are our rivals - regardless of which divisions we each are in. Then come the teams in our division, directly effecting what we do and how successful we are. The rest of the teams in the country don't impact on me. There are certain people in the game that I have some respect for, who when they do well, make me think "well done - glad for you". Then there are some that I think the opposite. But if they're not Swindon, or any team in the division we are in, then for me, they're not rivals. |
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Post by bicesterox on Apr 18, 2012 12:26:46 GMT
Don't understand this Reading love in by some of our supporters! Embarrassing!! Anyone who went to games between the two at Manor or ELm Park would understand rivalry. They are local rivals, 2nd only to Scum. F**K em and their plastic fans RANT OVER Totally agree !! The trips to Elm Park were good We even used to win there ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 14:19:19 GMT
I don't see any harm in congratulating clubs that have won leagues fair and square.
I do have problems with the likes of Arsene Wenger who sulked because Wigan won and then walked off with shaking Martinezs hand. I think Robin Van Persie did the same. Strikes me as somewhat petulant and childish
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Apr 18, 2012 15:20:34 GMT
I don't see any harm in congratulating clubs that have won leagues fair and square. So you'll be extending a hearty "well done" to Swindon if they wrap up the title? After all, they'll have done it fair and square... I just can't understand Oxford supporters not feeling a rivalry towards Reading. I was only a kid in the days before they left Elm Park, but even I remember the hatred from both sides home and away, and the intensity associated with trips to Elm Park. I reported on several Reading games earlier this season and the anti-Oxford songs are still sung from their end, yet I heard nothing about other clubs. I don't even agree with people who say they're sort of rivals but nowhere near the level of Swindon - it was fierce. Second to Swindon? Fair enough, but it's hardly as though Reading are limping across the finishing line while Swindon are already on the podium waiting for their medal. That rivalry was always very, very real. If we ever meet them in the league again it will not be at all friendly. It won't be like games against Wycombe where a few people wave their arms about while everyone else sits there grumbling. |
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Post by southstandyellow on Apr 18, 2012 15:28:56 GMT
good post that ^^^^^^
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Post by Lone Gunman on Apr 18, 2012 16:17:55 GMT
Agree with ryan. In fact I think for me the plastic nature of Reading as a club has intensified my hatred of them. At least in the Elm Park days they were a 'real,' if small insignificant and somewhat tw#tty little club.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Apr 18, 2012 16:26:39 GMT
Don't give a Monkey's about Reading. Plastic fans.
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Post by hairy on Apr 18, 2012 16:54:19 GMT
Dont like them. Never liked them back when they were shit at Elm park and hate them even more now they are the ultimate "new fan" club. Most of their fans still only go because they cant afford it at Chelsea.
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Post by Toeby on Apr 18, 2012 16:56:30 GMT
I don't see any harm in congratulating clubs that have won leagues fair and square. So you'll be extending a hearty "well done" to Swindon if they wrap up the title? After all, they'll have done it fair and square... I just can't understand Oxford supporters not feeling a rivalry towards Reading. I was only a kid in the days before they left Elm Park, but even I remember the hatred from both sides home and away, and the intensity associated with trips to Elm Park. I reported on several Reading games earlier this season and the anti-Oxford songs are still sung from their end, yet I heard nothing about other clubs. I don't even agree with people who say they're sort of rivals but nowhere near the level of Swindon - it was fierce. Second to Swindon? Fair enough, but it's hardly as though Reading are limping across the finishing line while Swindon are already on the podium waiting for their medal. That rivalry was always very, very real. If we ever meet them in the league again it will not be at all friendly. It won't be like games against Wycombe where a few people wave their arms about while everyone else sits there grumbling. I don't feel anything for Reading, but that could be because I never remember watching Oxford play them. The few Reading fans that I've come across look like they've just jumped on the bandwagon and I couldn't really care less what they have to say. That's my experience of Reading and their fans, the only reason I have to dislike them is that they seem like a plastic club. If we meet them again in the league and it all kicks off like it apparently used to then I'm sure that my feelings will change, but for now I can't muster up dislike for them on the basis of what I've read happened years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 17:08:22 GMT
Swindon have silenced the critics but I wish we had finished above them. They have done it by spending more than anyone else in the league. PDC will dump them if and when West Ham come along for him so then we can offer our condolencies if they get relegated
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Post by ox4eva on Apr 19, 2012 11:02:32 GMT
Reading are a bigger rival for me than scumdon, always will be
I think some of our support get behind the scumdon thing because thats the only songs that are sung and some think to be a "real" U's fan you have to be a scumdon hater!
Dislike both, but to say Reading are no rival is not something i can agree with...
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 19, 2012 14:39:57 GMT
Got arrested at Elm park in 1981,we stormed the Reading "side" before the kick off,we ran them out of the ground!
Got fined £50 for breach of the peace,so f*ck em.
Oh by the way,it was a pre season friendly.
The last time we played them at Reading there was a lot of trouble in the town outside,Ladbrokes.
The last time we played them at the Manor they turned up in the afternoon and trashed a few pubs,and after the game it was the "Brittania incident"when 17 lads finished up in Crown court,so again, f*ck em.
P.S. got in an arguement last season with a geordie t*at,i was cheering extremely loudly everytime Swansea scored in the play off final,"how can you cheer for Swansea,against an English team"
my reply was "i suppose if Swansea were playing Sunderland,you would be cheering for the mackems"
that shut him up.
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Post by unification on Apr 19, 2012 18:12:01 GMT
I've never really considered Reading much of a rival and I'm not really swayed by those that do. They're just passive, plastic and anonymous to me. It'd be like starting a rivalry with Walsall or Notts County or something. You can't 'pretend' a rivalry is there with another team when there isn't one.
Maybe back in the past with the old stadiums and the Thames Valley Royals thing there was a rivalry, but Reading have grown since and are streets ahead of Oxford nowadays. That's not to say we can't get back to parity with them, but in the meantime I couldn't care less what a team sponsored by Waitrose is up to.
Swindon is the main rivalry, but I do hold a space in my heart to despise the EDL-loaded, Nick Owen supporting, thuggish lot that represent Luton Town. The longer they suffer, the better.
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Post by londonroader on Apr 19, 2012 21:05:28 GMT
Managers have an advantage at Reading and similar clubs because they are very well run from top to bottom. Reading have a sugar daddy, no debt, a great stadium, a great youth set up and backroom staff. They are also a club who are not weighed down by expectation like so many clubs around them. Probably why Southampton have also done well, as they don't have the pressure of expectancy. McDermot's done a great job but he's had a very good platform with which to work from. If he went to West Ham for instance would he have done as well carrying that burden of expectation and the fans getting on your back after a few bad results? Debatable.... We were on a par with reading back in the 70's, then the 80's were our heyday, but since madejski came to their club he has built the club up to what it is today, with a new stadium and prem football again. Madejski has spent a tremendous amount of money getting to this position, and will leave a good legacy when he sells 51% of the club to some ruskie. it is reputed that he's put £50 million into the club to get them where they are, and when he sells the 51% of the club he will right off £25 million of the debt, an amazing owner. He has built that club up from nothing, there can't be many owners of his sort out there, a dedicated man. It puts our attempts to move forward into perspective, at the rate we are going it will be a very long day before we will get close to reading again, who says sugar daddies don't work. F*cking plastics.. |
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Post by moobs on Apr 20, 2012 8:28:28 GMT
What annoys me is Kassam is worth more than Madejski, well he was before the property crash. I read that before he got involved with OUFC he was worth around £150M - £200M, around about the time he left he was worth something like £400M, so he made a packet off the back of OUFC, not directly but from his businesses within Oxfordshire. If he gave the stadium to the club rather than demanding it's full value it would be the just thing to do all things considered or at least sell at a knock down price.
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Post by sihath on Apr 20, 2012 8:38:55 GMT
What annoys me is Kassam is worth more than Madejski, well he was before the property crash. I read that before he got involved with OUFC he was worth around £150M - £200M, around about the time he left he was worth something like £400M, so he made a packet off the back of OUFC, not directly but from his businesses within Oxfordshire. If he gave the stadium to the club rather than demanding it's full value it would be the just thing to do all things considered or at least sell at a knock down price. The reason Kassam has so much money is because he's never given anything away in his life. You don't get to have that kind of wealth by giving away football stadiums. Much as I'd like him to do the "just" thing, there's more chance of Messi signing for us in the summer. |
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Post by concretebob on Apr 20, 2012 8:51:21 GMT
Apparently last time they were at Old Trafford they chanted 'We all follow the Reading, over land and sea, and Oxford'
We were a Conference club back then.
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Post by ox4eva on Apr 20, 2012 9:35:36 GMT
Apparently last time they were at Old Trafford they chanted 'We all follow the Reading, over land and sea, and Oxford' We were a Conference club back then. Only Reading song i remember us singing was "run run Reading" be good to have some new song calling them plastics! I think some of those who don't see Reading as a rival have not been there supporting Oxford and see how much they dislike us.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 11:00:18 GMT
Kassam would struggle to give a small coin to a homeless widow
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Post by tonyw on Apr 20, 2012 12:30:56 GMT
It puts our attempts to move forward into perspective, at the rate we are going it will be a very long day before we will get close to reading again, who says sugar daddies don't work. Sugar Daddies work when they're really in love with the club they're funding (Whelan, Madjeski) or they have so much money that they can happily write off hundreds of millions without noticing it (Abrahamovich). When they're not rich enough, and/or don't care enough - you end up with Portsmouth. |
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Post by moobs on Apr 20, 2012 12:53:01 GMT
Maybe they should ban sugar daddies?
I mean, why's it fair that at one club a rich man can walk in and give money to a club they don't have or couldn't generate so they have a huge financial advantage over other clubs? Whilst on the other hand you get rogue business men going into clubs doing whatever they please, ruining the clubs finances to the point where fans end up losing their football clubs altogether.
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Post by Simon Lill on Apr 20, 2012 12:58:23 GMT
Maybe they should ban sugar daddies? I mean, why's it fair that at one club a rich man can walk in and give money to a club they don't have or couldn't generate so they have a huge financial advantage over other clubs? Whilst on the other hand you get rogue business men going into clubs doing whatever they please, ruining the clubs finances to the point where fans end up losing their football clubs altogether. There is a 'fit and proper' check though isn't there. Clearly this must be a load of b*ll*cks though, otherwise how do you explain the Venkys ownership of Blackburn as an example. |
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Post by tonyw on Apr 20, 2012 12:59:36 GMT
Maybe they should ban sugar daddies? I mean, why's it fair that at one club a rich man can walk in and give money to a club they don't have or couldn't generate so they have a huge financial advantage over other clubs? Whilst on the other hand you get rogue business men going into clubs doing whatever they please, ruining the clubs finances to the point where fans end up losing their football clubs altogether. Hell, if I was running world football, I'd introduce a hard salary cap tomorrow. That would stop clubs running at ridiculous deficits. Players would hate it. Big clubs would hate it. But it would be great for the neutral to add a bit of democracy back to the game. |
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