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Post by kenoxf on Oct 22, 2011 23:19:31 GMT
This thread is for ALL views concerning whether the North Oxford Stand should be kept for people or young families who are offended by obscene swearing. Please click LINK TO POST to receive any reply. Thanks. Ken
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Post by salaghaf on Oct 23, 2011 0:00:36 GMT
1/2 a ground almond short of a packet of Amaretti biscuits.
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Post by scoob on Oct 23, 2011 0:18:34 GMT
Thats a great idea Ken, you go and watch games in a stand in North Oxford and the rest of us will stay in East Oxford. You won't have to worry about swearing and we will not have to put up with you.
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 1:32:44 GMT
PLEASE CONCENTRATE ON THE ISSUE! YOU ARE THE ONES WHO KEEP BRINGING THE SPOTLIGHT BACK TO ME. I don't want your attention, members would be grateful for your views on why you don't think this is a good idea please. i am sure they may well be valid and listened to. Thank you.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Oct 23, 2011 2:02:30 GMT
How many times do people have to tell you that the North Stand is NOT the family area? If there's a problem with families being subjected to swearing in the North Stand then the problem is with where those families are situated, not with the swearing in the North Stand. Why don't you make that your crusade instead? How about you make sure that the club puts young families where they're meant to be rather than intentionally try and p*ss people off and seek attention?
I don't know why I even posted that, if you haven't listened to anyone else you won't listen to me.
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 2:18:16 GMT
yellowbrains I have listened to you. The problem is that the fans who have started to move in to the North Stand are very aggressive. Standing on walls and shouting in front of families almost continually throughout the whole ninety minutes f*cking Cunts, f*ck Off etc. The families have every right to sit in the North Stand without this type of behaviour. Why should these thuggish fans be allowed to force the families out. The thugs should be evicted not the families.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Oct 23, 2011 2:56:06 GMT
yellowbrains I have listened to you. The problem is that the fans who have started to move in to the North Stand are very aggressive. Standing on walls and shouting in front of families almost continually throughout the whole ninety minutes f*cking c*nts, f*ck Off etc. The families have every right to sit in the North Stand without this type of behaviour. Why should these thuggish fans be allowed to force the families out. The thugs should be evicted not the families. But this sort of behaviour happens at all football grounds the whole country over and have done forever. They're part of the culture. You've already said you don't have a problem with it in the East Stand, how long until swearing becomes such a problem there that the 'thugs' need to be moved out in favour of families? The fact is that those who choose to shout abuse at away fans are always going to be attracted to the North Stand because of its proximity to the away area and no amount of crusading is going to stop some people turning up in the North Stand to shout at them. There is already a family-friendly area of the stadium and if families find what goes on in the North Stand so distressing they have an area they can go to.
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 3:22:31 GMT
Yes, I do understand your pragmatic view of the problem and I agree that the reason why these fans want to get into the North Stand so that they can get at the visiting fans. But surely the logical conclusion of this will be that the two opposing groups of fans will then start fighting and this will cause a problem in itself. But I still feel strongly that as a general rule when young families are in stands (probably with the exception of the Oxford Mail Stand), that our fans should tone down their language and their aggressive behaviour. You may say they won't. Maybe you're right. But they will have a problem on their hands as I intend to pursue this campaign across the whole of the stand except in the Oxford Mail Stand. Ken
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Post by junior1 on Oct 23, 2011 4:17:30 GMT
I can't believe what I'm reading.. Totally unbelievable...
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Post by scummerator on Oct 23, 2011 6:42:54 GMT
Why is this thread under matches? Twice?
Is this WUM of the year entry?
Why is this man not under lock and key further up the Sandford Road with a padded cell and an armful of liquid cosh?
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Post by Simon Lill on Oct 23, 2011 6:51:53 GMT
So Ken, once you've got rid of all the thuggish home fans, how do you plan to get rid of the like minded away fans?
Why not go the whole hog and stop all the 'thugs' from coming all together? Hell, lets just have the entire ground filled with women, kids and cheerleaders!
OXFORD ra ra ra!
I have two young boys with STs in the East Stand. They know the rule 'whats said at football stays at football' and I'm a wise enough parent to know what games they go to and what games to stay away. Thats why they won't be coming to the Vale game.
But I would NEVER impose my kids on the rest of the loyal supporters. It's their club as much as mine, and their right to a match day experience as much as mine.
If you've got time on your hand and need a crusade, how about you do something more productive and important and help people that really need it. Speak to amershamdave for tips.
If your insistant on crusading against your fellow fans, kindly spend your energy directing those fans negatively affected in to the designated home areas and leave the rest of us to the business we love of following our team and creating an atmosphere.
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Post by junior1 on Oct 23, 2011 7:11:56 GMT
Can Malcolm or Mark move this thread please.
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Post by junior1 on Oct 23, 2011 7:13:26 GMT
So Ken, once you've got rid of all the thuggish home fans, how do you plan to get rid of the like minded away fans? Why not go the whole hog and stop all the 'thugs' from coming all together? Hell, lets just have the entire ground filled with women, kids and cheerleaders! OXFORD ra ra ra! I have two young boys with STs in the East Stand. They know the rule 'whats said at football stays at football' and I'm a wise enough parent to know what games they go to and what games to stay away. Thats why they won't be coming to the Vale game. But I would NEVER impose my kids on the rest of the loyal supporters. It's their club as much as mine, and their right to a match day experience as much as mine. If you've got time on your hand and need a crusade, how about you do something more productive and important and help people that really need it. Speak to amershamdave for tips. If your insistant on crusading against your fellow fans, kindly spend your energy directing those fans negatively affected in to the designated home areas and leave the rest of us to the business we love of following our team and creating an atmosphere. Good post that ^^^^
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Post by onlyme on Oct 23, 2011 8:02:31 GMT
Good poll this. Yes & No options - "You can select up to two answers" Brilliant stuff Ken. Pass the medication.
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Post by Long John Silver on Oct 23, 2011 8:35:02 GMT
Ken, you are boring.... no, actually you are f*cking boring.
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Post by surreyman on Oct 23, 2011 9:30:02 GMT
Ken may be a genuine fan with genuine concerns, but he is also undoubtedly a not very subtle attention-seeker. He already had a well-read thread open, but still felt the need to post TWO polls on his favourite subject. For some bizarre reason he's posting "x" and "mmm" then claiming the it's because his posts are being barred. This is all designed to keep the spotlight on him.
The sooner he gets bored and disappears back to cameo roles on RadOx, the better. Perhaps after his leaflet campaign falls flat, with no-one offering to help him, and no-one supporting him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 12:51:48 GMT
For once Ken has actually got the issue here - it's the families/club groups that are being put in the wrong place!
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Post by yellowscooby on Oct 23, 2011 18:40:52 GMT
what next? ban blankets in the ssu?
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 19:28:33 GMT
Firstly, my apologies for not understanding how the thread system works. I did not intend to cause difficulties on your forum. I think I understand it better now and hopefully won't annoy you with this problem. I put x and mmmm... a couple of times because I thought my posts weren't appearing but I believe, quite undersandably, being move to the correct thread.
I am not really concerned about those of you who think that the families should be moved as I think the fans who upset others should be moved from the North Stand. I will actually be in the Oxford Mail Stand on Tuesday joining in with our backbone supporters (these are the ones who give the matches atmosphere and usually go to most away matches - so never knock them.) I would defend their right in this stand to say whatever they want.
Junior1 - your comments say a lot more about you than me. But you have a right to them as we all have a right to our views. I do not expect (and really don't want) all swearing to disappear from the North Stand. I just want it toned down and to be less aggressive for the good of young families and others who do not like it. If you want to have a really good go at the visitors go to the Oxford Mail Stand like me sometimes.
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Post by surreyman on Oct 23, 2011 19:33:52 GMT
I will actually be in the Oxford Mail Stand on Tuesday joining in with our backbone supporters (these are the ones who give the matches atmosphere and usually go to most away matches - so never knock them.) I would defend their right in this stand to say whatever they want. Sorry Ken, but that is just ignorant and insulting. I usually sit in the North Stand. Most of the "loud element" at the back are regulars away from home. They are as devout Oxford fans as anyone else, more so than many. Also, is it really necessary to tell us that the East Stand is where most of the atmosphere is? We do go to matches, you know. Do you think we're stupid. You're rapidly losing any residual credibility or support you may once have had with comments like that.
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Post by salaghaf on Oct 23, 2011 19:35:49 GMT
Yeah Ken - because you are now shit scared to show your face in the North Stand. You have taken this thing so far, and to such extremes, that it had now backfired on you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Your suggestion to sit in the Oxford Mail stand - the most sensible thing that had come out of your deranged mouth so far.
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Post by Simon Lill on Oct 23, 2011 19:36:13 GMT
And again, if they have problems with it (and as a parent I totally understand why some may not like it) why don't they sit in the family areas.
You sure this isn't just a problem you have?
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Post by notaswindonfan on Oct 23, 2011 19:39:24 GMT
large crowed,large away following,good atmosphere,large amount of alcohol , no prem games hence a large amount of swearing
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 21:04:44 GMT
Surrey - didn't mean to be insulting. All Yellows fans are of course important. It's just that a lot of the Oxford Mail Stand fans attend all the away matches.
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Post by surreyman on Oct 23, 2011 21:10:55 GMT
Surrey - didn't mean to be insulting. All Yellows fans are of course important. It's just that a lot of the Oxford Mail Stand fans attend all the away matches. So do a lot of the North Stand fans, including the ones you despise.
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 21:21:42 GMT
Salaghaf. I am not scared of anyone. Too old. I will be giving out leaflets asking politely for fans to bear in mind their language and behaviour in the North Stand when young families are around on Saturday. I will also be sitting in the North Stand on Saturday to watch Port Vale.
If you agree to join me, I will pay for your ticket in the North Stand and buy you a coffee and burger before the match. How about it? No need to be concerned. I am not aggressive and generally get on well with all genuine Yellows fans. We could discuss the matter then perhaps.
All Yellows fans are important, including you, and I just want to make families feel they can come along and feel safe. Is this such a terrible idea?. Ken
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 21:28:51 GMT
Simon Lill - you have every right to take your family into whatever stand you choose, and I am sure you are an excellent father and it works for you. As for the visiting supporters - there aren't enough to worry us yet and we have no control over what they say amongst themselves but if they offend our young families we could use the same method, starting with gentle persuasion and leaflets. Ken
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Post by kenoxf on Oct 23, 2011 21:31:49 GMT
Junior1 - I wonder why you use the name Junior? Which Junior school do you still attend? I was a headmaster for 25 years and I am sure I can help you to write a decent post. Ken
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Post by longliveclarkey on Oct 23, 2011 21:44:13 GMT
Nobody is moving the families away from the North stand, ken. If they don't want 'loutish' behaviour, they shouldn't be there in the first place. There already is a family section, or at least something resembling it. If a family makes a conscious decision to move into a stand that is not only not labelled a 'family section', but has the reputation of being loud and vulgar, especially considering the fact that there is a 'family section' elsewhere in the ground, the family does so at their own risk and shouldn't expect the atmosphere around them to change just to suit them. Simple. Nothing should be changed.
This campaign is pointless and self-centered, I'm afraid.
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Post by winchesterox on Oct 24, 2011 5:14:24 GMT
If I was taking 'Family', I would go in the South stand.
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