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Post by baldy on Feb 4, 2011 16:51:48 GMT
One of them is clearly an outright liar, not just a slight covering up of what went on. Who do you believe ?
This is not a typical case of 'I didn't see it' because both their versions are at absolute opposites to eachother. Moyes has come out and said he knows exactly what he heard and people will have to make their own minds up as to whether they believe him or Wenger and decide for themselves which one is a liar.
I know who I believe and it will be interesting to hear the views of the Arsenal contingent given that they see Wenger as this intellegent, upstanding man who conducts himself witrh such classs.
I think this is one step too far for Wenger and Fabregas and that football is just getting a bit sick and tired of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 17:05:49 GMT
Most people who follow genuine football follow the lower leagues since the premiership is full of tossers chasing money and cheating to win
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 4, 2011 17:26:22 GMT
Why does one of them have to be a liar? From what i understand Fabregas accused the ref of being payed by Everton, Wenger says he never heard him say anything wrong. Now unless i have missed something, surely it is entirely possible he was not near Fabregas and so didnt hear anything?
I think jumping to the conclusion that one is an 'outright liar' is just you using this an an oppurtunity to dig at Arsenal, something that you never seem to tire off. Lets not forget that you were the one championing swearing to refs the other day, i assume this is differant because it is not a Man U player?
I think you may be getting a little overexcited at the oppurtunity to knock your least favorite team.
The fact that the FA wont charge him, Everton wont make a formal complaint and no one seems to have any evidence or be prepared to state what they heard probably suggests its all a load of hot air.
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Post by baldy on Feb 4, 2011 17:52:24 GMT
Why does one of them have to be a liar? From what i understand Fabregas accused the ref of being payed by Everton, Wenger says he never heard him say anything wrong. Now unless i have missed something, surely it is entirely possible he was not near Fabregas and so didnt hear anything? I think jumping to the conclusion that one is an 'outright liar' is just you using this an an oppurtunity to dig at Arsenal, something that you never seem to tire off. Lets not forget that you were the one championing swearing to refs the other day, i assume this is differant because it is not a Man U player? I think you may be getting a little overexcited at the oppurtunity to knock your least favorite team. The fact that the FA wont charge him, Everton wont make a formal complaint and no one seems to have any evidence or be prepared to state what they heard probably suggests its all a load of hot air. Thats wrong. Moyes has stated, I've heard it on the radio, that people can make their own minds up as to who is lying out of him and Wenger. He actually used the word 'liar' so its not me making it up. Wenger never said he didnt hear Fabregas, he said Fabregas didnt verbally abuse the referee. Now to get to that conclusion he must have been close enough by to hear or not hear. Unless, of course, he's going on Fabregas' say so in which case there is probably a third potential liar to throw in the mix. I haven't got a problem with swearing. All I'm doing is questioning a lot on here who castigate Rooney for using the 'F' word 24 times in a half but seem happy to accept a club captain accusing the referee of accepting money from Everton. That is scandlous.
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Post by scotchegg on Feb 4, 2011 18:12:43 GMT
Could it just be possible that David Moyes is the liar?
The referee, who is the only person independant in this matter, had made no reference to the incident in his match report. Therefore there is no evidence of any misconduct whatsoever against either Fabregas or Wenger.
Moyes comes across extremely bitter at times and should either make a formal complaint about what he heard (or thought he heard) or let it go.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 4, 2011 18:16:16 GMT
Why does one of them have to be a liar? From what i understand Fabregas accused the ref of being payed by Everton, Wenger says he never heard him say anything wrong. Now unless i have missed something, surely it is entirely possible he was not near Fabregas and so didnt hear anything? I think jumping to the conclusion that one is an 'outright liar' is just you using this an an oppurtunity to dig at Arsenal, something that you never seem to tire off. Lets not forget that you were the one championing swearing to refs the other day, i assume this is differant because it is not a Man U player? I think you may be getting a little overexcited at the oppurtunity to knock your least favorite team. The fact that the FA wont charge him, Everton wont make a formal complaint and no one seems to have any evidence or be prepared to state what they heard probably suggests its all a load of hot air. Thats wrong. Moyes has stated, I've heard it on the radio, that people can make their own minds up as to who is lying out of him and Wenger. He actually used the word 'liar' so its not me making it up. Wenger never said he didnt hear Fabregas, he said Fabregas didnt verbally abuse the referee. Now to get to that conclusion he must have been close enough by to hear or not hear. Unless, of course, he's going on Fabregas' say so in which case there is probably a third potential liar to throw in the mix. I haven't got a problem with swearing. All I'm doing is questioning a lot on here who castigate Rooney for using the 'F' word 24 times in a half but seem happy to accept a club captain accusing the referee of accepting money from Everton. That is scandlous. Which part of it is scandelous? A football manager lying? A football player lying? A football player abusing a ref? Im struggling as to why you seem so offended by the whole thing, frankly it happens every match, managers claim to not see incidents, they say players are not leaving then they do, or are not available to other clubs and then they are or twist things that happened in the match to suit there side, they all lie. If you are upset about what fabregas said then again i would argue that players say a lot to refs that is pretty unpleasant, i personaly thing that Fabregas has pushed his luck for a while now with refs and so am not surprised if he has said something, but again im struggling as to why it has upset you so much You seem to thing this is more serious and i am wondering why? I guess Arsenal being involved is probably the reason?
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Post by baldy on Feb 4, 2011 18:38:59 GMT
Thats wrong. Moyes has stated, I've heard it on the radio, that people can make their own minds up as to who is lying out of him and Wenger. He actually used the word 'liar' so its not me making it up. Wenger never said he didnt hear Fabregas, he said Fabregas didnt verbally abuse the referee. Now to get to that conclusion he must have been close enough by to hear or not hear. Unless, of course, he's going on Fabregas' say so in which case there is probably a third potential liar to throw in the mix. I haven't got a problem with swearing. All I'm doing is questioning a lot on here who castigate Rooney for using the 'F' word 24 times in a half but seem happy to accept a club captain accusing the referee of accepting money from Everton. That is scandlous. Which part of it is scandelous? A football manager lying? A football player lying? A football player abusing a ref? Im struggling as to why you seem so offended by the whole thing, frankly it happens every match, managers claim to not see incidents, they say players are not leaving then they do, or are not available to other clubs and then they are or twist things that happened in the match to suit there side, they all lie. If you are upset about what fabregas said then again i would argue that players say a lot to refs that is pretty unpleasant, i personaly thing that Fabregas has pushed his luck for a while now with refs and so am not surprised if he has said something, but again im struggling as to why it has upset you so much You seem to thing this is more serious and i am wondering why? I guess Arsenal being involved is probably the reason? I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 4, 2011 18:48:25 GMT
Which part of it is scandelous? A football manager lying? A football player lying? A football player abusing a ref? Im struggling as to why you seem so offended by the whole thing, frankly it happens every match, managers claim to not see incidents, they say players are not leaving then they do, or are not available to other clubs and then they are or twist things that happened in the match to suit there side, they all lie. If you are upset about what fabregas said then again i would argue that players say a lot to refs that is pretty unpleasant, i personaly thing that Fabregas has pushed his luck for a while now with refs and so am not surprised if he has said something, but again im struggling as to why it has upset you so much You seem to thing this is more serious and i am wondering why? I guess Arsenal being involved is probably the reason? I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong. Oh dear Where have i stated that rooney swearing is wrong? Where have i stated that i do not have a problem with a player questioning the honesty of a ref or opposition manager? Not for the first time you forgoe debate and instead try and twist someone elses words. I have no doubt that if this was a Man U player involved you would not be nearly so offended, the reality is that it is Arsenal and you love the chance to come on here and stick the knife in. Lets also not forget that there is no proof that has been produced, no one is prepared to make a statement, the FA have decided not to charge anyone... The obvious conclusion is that there is less to this than Moyes would have you believe.
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Post by baldy on Feb 4, 2011 19:13:33 GMT
I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong. Oh dear Where have i stated that rooney swearing is wrong? Where have i stated that i do not have a problem with a player questioning the honesty of a ref or opposition manager? Not for the first time you forgoe debate and instead try and twist someone elses words. I have no doubt that if this was a Man U player involved you would not be nearly so offended, the reality is that it is Arsenal and you love the chance to come on here and stick the knife in. Lets also not forget that there is no proof that has been produced, no one is prepared to make a statement, the FA have decided not to charge anyone... The obvious conclusion is that there is less to this than Moyes would have you believe. Tut tut.... Short memory. On the old forum you were right at the front of the bandwagon berating Rooney for his foul mouthed tirades. As for the second bit, well you couldn't see anything wrong and was questioning why I thought Fabregas's behaviour was scandlous ! If you cant see that bit don't bother.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 4, 2011 19:17:50 GMT
Moyes is the manager who beat up his own player while at Preston. Hardly a model of stability.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 4, 2011 19:30:52 GMT
Oh dear Where have i stated that rooney swearing is wrong? Where have i stated that i do not have a problem with a player questioning the honesty of a ref or opposition manager? Not for the first time you forgoe debate and instead try and twist someone elses words. I have no doubt that if this was a Man U player involved you would not be nearly so offended, the reality is that it is Arsenal and you love the chance to come on here and stick the knife in. Lets also not forget that there is no proof that has been produced, no one is prepared to make a statement, the FA have decided not to charge anyone... The obvious conclusion is that there is less to this than Moyes would have you believe. Tut tut.... Short memory. On the old forum you were right at the front of the bandwagon berating Rooney for his foul mouthed tirades. As for the second bit, well you couldn't see anything wrong and was questioning why I thought Fabregas's behaviour was scandlous ! If you cant see that bit don't bother. Perhaps you would care to find these quotes from me berating Rooney and link to them? Or perhaps you can admit that like a lot of what you say that you made it up and hoped you wouldnt get called out on it Easy to make an accusation, try and back it up?
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 4, 2011 20:43:48 GMT
You're a father Baldy, so how about this as a scenario - Your son/daughter is accused of stealing, but they are absolutely adamant they didn't do it and plead with you to believe them. So it's shop-keeper's word against your kids. Who do you believe?
The point I'm trying to make is that if your own family or team-mate has an accusation made against them, it is only natural to take their word for it and back them to the hilt. Fergie does it, Wenger does it - In fact I bet pretty every good football manager would do it.
As for my opinion - the fact that the referee hasn't reported, or even a yellow card let alone red to Fabregas seems to indicate to me that it nothing really significant actually happened.
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Post by moobs on Feb 4, 2011 21:33:32 GMT
I think the whole thing is a complete non story
I believe Wenger
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 4, 2011 22:13:23 GMT
Tut tut.... Short memory. On the old forum you were right at the front of the bandwagon berating Rooney for his foul mouthed tirades. As for the second bit, well you couldn't see anything wrong and was questioning why I thought Fabregas's behaviour was scandlous ! If you cant see that bit don't bother. Perhaps you would care to find these quotes from me berating Rooney and link to them? Or perhaps you can admit that like a lot of what you say that you made it up and hoped you wouldnt get called out on it Easy to make an accusation, try and back it up? All quiet on the Baldy front?!?! Confirmation that you are full of shit!!! Still im sure you will spin your way out of this one.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Feb 4, 2011 22:14:49 GMT
I think the whole thing is a complete non story I believe Wenger You would believe the Frenchman as you are an Arsenal fan. As an Oxford fan I would believe Moyes.
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 10:08:51 GMT
Which part of it is scandelous? A football manager lying? A football player lying? A football player abusing a ref? Im struggling as to why you seem so offended by the whole thing, frankly it happens every match, managers claim to not see incidents, they say players are not leaving then they do, or are not available to other clubs and then they are or twist things that happened in the match to suit there side, they all lie. If you are upset about what fabregas said then again i would argue that players say a lot to refs that is pretty unpleasant, i personaly thing that Fabregas has pushed his luck for a while now with refs and so am not surprised if he has said something, but again im struggling as to why it has upset you so much You seem to thing this is more serious and i am wondering why? I guess Arsenal being involved is probably the reason? I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong. RIGHT and WRONG If Fabregas accused the referee of taking a bribe then he should be punished. As the referee hasn't put it in his match report, then perhaps he didn't hear it, or it didn't happen. IF it did happen, then Fabregas should be punished. On that I agree with you. It's WRONG. Perhaps you could answer this one simple question. Is it RIGHT or WRONG for Rooney to tell a ref to "F**K OFF" 27 times in one half of a game?
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Post by baldy on Feb 5, 2011 11:05:20 GMT
I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong. RIGHT and WRONG If Fabregas accused the referee of taking a bribe then he should be punished. As the referee hasn't put it in his match report, then perhaps he didn't hear it, or it didn't happen. IF it did happen, then Fabregas should be punished. On that I agree with you. It's WRONG. Perhaps you could answer this one simple question. Is it RIGHT or WRONG for Rooney to tell a ref to "F**K OFF" 27 times in one half of a game? Its not right, its not wrong. It depends what context he is saying it in. If he's walking up to the ref, staring him in the eye and telling him to **** off then that is wrong. If, however and I think this is the more likely scenario, he is being fouled and the ref waves away his claims and Rooney just gets up and screams **** off then that is acceptable. I dont see how claiming the referee has been bribed can be seen in any other context other than how it sounds.
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 11:17:51 GMT
RIGHT and WRONG If Fabregas accused the referee of taking a bribe then he should be punished. As the referee hasn't put it in his match report, then perhaps he didn't hear it, or it didn't happen. IF it did happen, then Fabregas should be punished. On that I agree with you. It's WRONG. Perhaps you could answer this one simple question. Is it RIGHT or WRONG for Rooney to tell a ref to "F**K OFF" 27 times in one half of a game? Its not right, its not wrong. It depends what context he is saying it in. If he's walking up to the ref, staring him in the eye and telling him to **** off then that is wrong. If, however and I think this is the more likely scenario, he is being fouled and the ref waves away his claims and Rooney just gets up and screams **** off then that is acceptable. I dont see how claiming the referee has been bribed can be seen in any other context other than how it sounds. Fouled 27 times in one half of a game and no free kicks given?? Not possible. It's a real shame that you can see no wrong in anything a Man Utd player ever does, as most of your other posts are thought out and reasonable. I wonder if you really believe what you say or feel you can't back down ever so slightly and criticise the behaviour of players from your own team, as well as other teams.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 5, 2011 11:51:07 GMT
RIGHT and WRONG If Fabregas accused the referee of taking a bribe then he should be punished. As the referee hasn't put it in his match report, then perhaps he didn't hear it, or it didn't happen. IF it did happen, then Fabregas should be punished. On that I agree with you. It's WRONG. Perhaps you could answer this one simple question. Is it RIGHT or WRONG for Rooney to tell a ref to "F**K OFF" 27 times in one half of a game? Its not right, its not wrong. It depends what context he is saying it in. If he's walking up to the ref, staring him in the eye and telling him to **** off then that is wrong. If, however and I think this is the more likely scenario, he is being fouled and the ref waves away his claims and Rooney just gets up and screams **** off then that is acceptable. I dont see how claiming the referee has been bribed can be seen in any other context other than how it sounds. Of course it can. It would have been obvious if it was a serious accusation or using a tone which has sarcastic undertones ie meaning you must have been paid because your so s***t. Either way the ref should have taken action but one is more serious than the other in terms of long term punishment. IMO the example you give of Rooney also should result in a booking/red either way. Football must be the only sport in the world where people think it is acceptable to tell the ref/umpire to f**k off (even without looking at him) or to scream f**k off at the refs/umpires decision with people like you saying its ok if he didn't look him in the eye.
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 12:34:47 GMT
I wonder how many times during the 6 nations rugby a player will tell the ref to "F*** OFF" Baldy will tell you that football is working class and has more passion than rugby. Tell the following list, that the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, El Hadj Diouff and the rest of em earning £100-200K a week are more working class and more passionate about their game than they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rhys_Jonesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Jones_%28rugby_player%29I could go on but you get the messge. And one more thing. If Man Utd had been at the wrong end of the refereeing decision for the Everton goal, Baldy would have been all over this forum talking about conspiracy theories and sacking referees.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 5, 2011 12:46:05 GMT
I wonder how many times during the 6 nations rugby a player will tell the ref to "F*** OFF" Baldy will tell you that football is working class and has more passion than rugby. Tell the following list, that the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, El Hadj Diouff and the rest of em earning £100-200K a week are more working class and more passionate about their game than they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rhys_Jonesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Jones_%28rugby_player%29I could go on but you get the messge. And one more thing. If Man Utd had been at the wrong end of the refereeing decision for the Everton goal, Baldy would have been all over this forum talking about conspiracy theories and sacking referees. Baldy may say that (not putting words in his mouth!) but of course Rugby Union is only really considered an "upper class" sport in certain country's and areas. New Zealand, Wales and of course our own West country it is very much a working mans game, the people are more passionate about it than football and the respect is still there for refs. In any case Rugby Union is just one example of another sport, Rugby league is a working mans game and the referee is fully respected. In fact I can't really think of any sport where Baldy's example would be considered ok.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 5, 2011 12:53:28 GMT
If, however and I think this is the more likely scenario, he is being fouled and the ref waves away his claims and Rooney just gets up and screams **** off then that is acceptable. WRONG! If Rooney tells the Ref to F**k off, then Rooney should walk. Just like if Fabregas insinuated the ref took a bribe. Presumably if Rooney took a dive in the penalty area, then Mark Halsey rushes towards him yelling "Gut up you f**king cheat", that would be okay would it? Of course it wouldn't (but it would be funny!) ;D
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 12:58:46 GMT
If, however and I think this is the more likely scenario, he is being fouled and the ref waves away his claims and Rooney just gets up and screams **** off then that is acceptable. WRONG! If Rooney tells the Ref to F**k off, then Rooney should walk. Just like if Fabregas insinuated the ref took a bribe. Presumably if Rooney took a dive in the penalty area, then Mark Halsey rushes towards him yelling "Gut up you f**king cheat", that would be okay would it? Of course it wouldn't (but it would be funny!) ;D I've made this suggestion before. Refs make mistakes and are surrounded by players shouting and swearing at them. If a player makes a mistake, misses a goal, misplaces a pass, the 4 officials should rush up to him and shout abuse at him, fairs fair. There is only ONE occasion I can find of a ref swearing (at Dennis Wise) and Wise moaned like a small child about it, the ref was charged and there was massive double standards over it.
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Post by klimt on Feb 5, 2011 13:00:08 GMT
Which part of it is scandelous? A football manager lying? A football player lying? A football player abusing a ref? Im struggling as to why you seem so offended by the whole thing, frankly it happens every match, managers claim to not see incidents, they say players are not leaving then they do, or are not available to other clubs and then they are or twist things that happened in the match to suit there side, they all lie. If you are upset about what fabregas said then again i would argue that players say a lot to refs that is pretty unpleasant, i personaly thing that Fabregas has pushed his luck for a while now with refs and so am not surprised if he has said something, but again im struggling as to why it has upset you so much You seem to thing this is more serious and i am wondering why? I guess Arsenal being involved is probably the reason? I think the inference that the referee has taken a bribe from Everton is scandlous. It questions the integrity of David Moyes more than anything. If you think that is acceptable then me and you have different views on what constitutes acceptable behaviour. I see no problem whatsoever in Rooney shouting 'Thats a ******* foul ref' whereas you do. I do see a problem with, of all people, a club captain questioning the honesty of an opposing manager, his players and the match officials. You don't and thats where me and you have differing views on whats right and whats wrong. I think your misuse of the word inference says it all really. to infer means to draw a conclusion by deductive reasoning from given facts. You mean 'implication', but its your inability to draw a logical conclusion from the facts, that you start another completely pointless cheap shot thread. A salient point in this tired 'debate' is that the referee made no mention of the incident in his report. I 'Infer', there was nothing of note to report, clear now sherlock?
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Post by baldy on Feb 5, 2011 13:49:43 GMT
I wonder how many times during the 6 nations rugby a player will tell the ref to "F*** OFF" Baldy will tell you that football is working class and has more passion than rugby. Tell the following list, that the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, El Hadj Diouff and the rest of em earning £100-200K a week are more working class and more passionate about their game than they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rhys_Jonesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Jones_%28rugby_player%29I could go on but you get the messge. And one more thing. If Man Utd had been at the wrong end of the refereeing decision for the Everton goal, Baldy would have been all over this forum talking about conspiracy theories and sacking referees. I genuinely haven't seen the Saha goal so cannot comment. I did hear one radio debate this week where something was said about a 'second phase' situation playing Saha on. A technicality but one that proved the referee right - apparently. I can't really imagine the situation in my minds eye so asking me about that one is pointless.
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 14:18:53 GMT
I wonder how many times during the 6 nations rugby a player will tell the ref to "F*** OFF" Baldy will tell you that football is working class and has more passion than rugby. Tell the following list, that the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, El Hadj Diouff and the rest of em earning £100-200K a week are more working class and more passionate about their game than they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rhys_Jonesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Jones_%28rugby_player%29I could go on but you get the messge. And one more thing. If Man Utd had been at the wrong end of the refereeing decision for the Everton goal, Baldy would have been all over this forum talking about conspiracy theories and sacking referees. I genuinely haven't seen the Saha goal so cannot comment. I did hear one radio debate this week where something was said about a 'second phase' situation playing Saha on. A technicality but one that proved the referee right - apparently. I can't really imagine the situation in my minds eye so asking me about that one is pointless. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVtoEekstZo
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 5, 2011 14:19:43 GMT
I wonder how many times during the 6 nations rugby a player will tell the ref to "F*** OFF" Baldy will tell you that football is working class and has more passion than rugby. Tell the following list, that the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, El Hadj Diouff and the rest of em earning £100-200K a week are more working class and more passionate about their game than they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rhys_Jonesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Jones_%28rugby_player%29I could go on but you get the messge. And one more thing. If Man Utd had been at the wrong end of the refereeing decision for the Everton goal, Baldy would have been all over this forum talking about conspiracy theories and sacking referees. I genuinely haven't seen the Saha goal so cannot comment. I did hear one radio debate this week where something was said about a 'second phase' situation playing Saha on. A technicality but one that proved the referee right - apparently. I can't really imagine the situation in my minds eye so asking me about that one is pointless. make your mind up now! vodpod.com/watch/5483298-offside-surely-louis-saha-vs-arsenal
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Post by baldy on Feb 5, 2011 14:45:20 GMT
Goal.
When the ball was played through Saha was off but the lino was right not to flag as the ball never reached Saha. The centre back then plays it, creating a second phase and when the ball reaches Saha he 's almost in another part of the pitch and ten yards away from where he initially was.
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 14:49:35 GMT
I genuinely haven't seen the Saha goal so cannot comment. I did hear one radio debate this week where something was said about a 'second phase' situation playing Saha on. A technicality but one that proved the referee right - apparently. I can't really imagine the situation in my minds eye so asking me about that one is pointless. make your mind up now! vodpod.com/watch/5483298-offside-surely-louis-saha-vs-arsenalClearly offside. But we're going little off topic. But we're banging our heads against a brick wall if we expect Baldy to recognise that neither Fabregas saying what he may or may not have said to the ref, or Rooney swearing at referees are acceptable.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 5, 2011 14:52:58 GMT
Clearly offside. But we're going little off topic. But we're banging our heads against a brick wall if we expect Baldy to recognise that neither Fabregas saying what he may or may not have said to the ref, or Rooney swearing at referees are acceptable. it is off topic but does anyone know for sure if it was on or offside? What is the rule?
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