|
Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2017 11:31:10 GMT
Looking further ahead, even if we finish mid-table it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season, so all bets on Pep's tenure are off. If the new owner(s) don't see Pep as promotion material he'll no doubt be gone. If they give him a chance (EDIT - and funds) no doubt they'll expect a promotion place from day one, or he'll be gone. How are our new owners getting on? I said it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season. I didn't say we already had new owners, so your comment doesn't make sense.
|
|
|
Post by Mark on Nov 14, 2017 11:35:13 GMT
How are our new owners getting on? I said it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season. I didn't say we already had new owners, so your comment doesn't make sense. 2018/19?
|
|
|
Post by eighteen93 on Nov 14, 2017 11:36:39 GMT
How are our new owners getting on? I said it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season. I didn't say we already had new owners, so your comment doesn't make sense. Are you OK dear boy ?
|
|
|
Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2017 11:36:49 GMT
I said it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season. I didn't say we already had new owners, so your comment doesn't make sense. 2018/19? Oh shit! Absolutely correct Mark. Apologies eighteen93, I really made a boob there. Yep, I meant 2018/19.
|
|
|
Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2017 11:37:16 GMT
I said it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season. I didn't say we already had new owners, so your comment doesn't make sense. Are you OK dear boy ? Posts crossed. Just apologised for my mistake.
|
|
|
Post by shosho on Nov 14, 2017 11:39:25 GMT
Calls for Pep's sacking seem to be borne out of a frustratingly inept last few performances, following a mini revival of decent showings. Remember the near ecstasy after Peterborough? I think we'd be daft to change the manager based on that scenario. It wouldn't quite be a knee-jerk reaction (it's been four pretty crap games, not one), but still overly hasty. Question is though, what should our reasonable expectations be of Pep this season? As has been mentioned already, Mr Appleton had a poor start but went on to achieve (semi-)cult status. Given the circumstances Pep's worked under since arriving, I really do think mid-table should be acceptable. By the time the January window is over, however, and any new signings have 'settled in', we'll still have the last third of the season to go. If at that stage we're looking remotely like being relegated it might be time to parachute in a proven survivalist to keep us in League One. Looking further ahead, even if we finish mid-table it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season, so all bets on Pep's tenure are off. If the new owner(s) don't see Pep as promotion material he'll no doubt be gone. If they give him a chance (EDIT - and funds) no doubt they'll expect a promotion place from day one, or he'll be gone. The frustration is borne out of decent performances following that horrible streak losing to Bury and Walsall. Pep stopped Mousinho at RB, pushed him in to CB and introduced Ruffels in to CM. With those changes, along with the injury of Rob Hall and Henry playing in his favoured position we saw an upturn in performances. Pep has shown, at least when we underwent our previous dip, that he could change it up to get results (admitted one enforced). Now, it remains to be seen if he can do so once again. The wild swinging from decent to poor is the issue. There is no baseline performance, minimum consistency/application. In January I would expect to see us resort to our previous recruitment model. Its clear we need some pace on the wings along with some experience in CM (Pekalski?), in addition to some cover at LB/RB (I like Ribiero but he is made of glass).
|
|
|
Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 14, 2017 11:43:37 GMT
Calls for Pep's sacking seem to be borne out of a frustratingly inept last few performances, following a mini revival of decent showings. Remember the near ecstasy after Peterborough? I think we'd be daft to change the manager based on that scenario. It wouldn't quite be a knee-jerk reaction (it's been four pretty crap games, not one), but still overly hasty. Question is though, what should our reasonable expectations be of Pep this season? As has been mentioned already, Mr Appleton had a poor start but went on to achieve (semi-)cult status. Given the circumstances Pep's worked under since arriving, I really do think mid-table should be acceptable. By the time the January window is over, however, and any new signings have 'settled in', we'll still have the last third of the season to go. If at that stage we're looking remotely like being relegated it might be time to parachute in a proven survivalist to keep us in League One. Looking further ahead, even if we finish mid-table it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season, so all bets on Pep's tenure are off. If the new owner(s) don't see Pep as promotion material he'll no doubt be gone. If they give him a chance (EDIT - and funds) no doubt they'll expect a promotion place from day one, or he'll be gone. The frustration is borne out of decent performances following that horrible streak losing to Bury and Walsall. Pep stopped Mousinho at RB, pushed him in to CB and introduced Ruffels in to CM. With those changes, along with the injury of Rob Hall and Henry playing in his favoured position we saw an upturn in performances. Pep has shown, at least when we underwent our previous dip, that he could change it up to get results (admitted one enforced). Now, it remains to be seen if he can do so once again. The wild swinging from decent to poor is the issue. There is no baseline performance, minimum consistency/application. In January I would expect to see us resort to our previous recruitment model. Its clear we need some pace on the wings along with some experience in CM (Pekalski?), in addition to some cover at LB/RB (I like Ribiero but he is made of glass). And yet he has now reverted Henry to the left his unfavourite position
|
|
|
Post by shosho on Nov 14, 2017 12:02:42 GMT
The frustration is borne out of decent performances following that horrible streak losing to Bury and Walsall. Pep stopped Mousinho at RB, pushed him in to CB and introduced Ruffels in to CM. With those changes, along with the injury of Rob Hall and Henry playing in his favoured position we saw an upturn in performances. Pep has shown, at least when we underwent our previous dip, that he could change it up to get results (admitted one enforced). Now, it remains to be seen if he can do so once again. The wild swinging from decent to poor is the issue. There is no baseline performance, minimum consistency/application. In January I would expect to see us resort to our previous recruitment model. Its clear we need some pace on the wings along with some experience in CM (Pekalski?), in addition to some cover at LB/RB (I like Ribiero but he is made of glass). And yet he has now reverted Henry to the left his unfavourite position Correct. Because he has a dilemma. Hall is one of our most effective attacking players so can't leave him out. Henry, more defensively aware, however lacks pace. The result, two players, that are starters, fighting for the same position. I think if I was Pep I would start with Rothwell on the left, Henry on the right and use Hall, at least until he is fully fit, as the classic 60min sub for Henry.
|
|
|
Post by tatabanya on Nov 14, 2017 12:23:16 GMT
People who want Pep out can go tbh
|
|
|
Post by 1OUFC on Nov 14, 2017 12:33:57 GMT
People who want Pep out can go tbh So people aren’t allowed opinions of their own, Evan if they differ to yours?
|
|
|
Post by Long John Silver on Nov 14, 2017 12:34:17 GMT
And yet he has now reverted Henry to the left his unfavourite position Correct. Because he has a dilemma. Hall is one of our most effective attacking players so can't leave him out. Henry, more defensively aware, however lacks pace. The result, two players, that are starters, fighting for the same position. I think if I was Pep I would start with Rothwell on the left, Henry on the right and use Hall, at least until he is fully fit, as the classic 60min sub for Henry. Henry was terrible on the left on Saturday. He rarely provided any outlet as he is so slow he doesn't, or can't, make a forward run to receive a ball when our full back has possession. Therefore, he usually ends up going backwards for the ball and just getting more in the way than helping, and making it so much easier to defend against.
|
|
|
Post by tatabanya on Nov 14, 2017 12:34:26 GMT
People who want Pep out can go tbh So people aren’t allowed opinions of their own, Evan if they differ to yours? No - they are entitled to their opnion.
|
|
|
Post by yellowbow on Nov 14, 2017 13:05:47 GMT
Correct. Because he has a dilemma. Hall is one of our most effective attacking players so can't leave him out. Henry, more defensively aware, however lacks pace. The result, two players, that are starters, fighting for the same position. I think if I was Pep I would start with Rothwell on the left, Henry on the right and use Hall, at least until he is fully fit, as the classic 60min sub for Henry. Henry was terrible on the left on Saturday. He rarely provided any outlet as he is so slow he doesn't, or can't, make a forward run to receive a ball when our full back has possession. Therefore, he usually ends up going backwards for the ball and just getting more in the way than helping, and making it so much easier to defend against. I understand people frustration with Henry but his pass for Thomas' goal on Saturday was class (as was Thomas' finish) Yeah he lacks pace but so do some players that have played at a far higher level. My opinion for what it's worth is that he's a technically good intelligent footballer but for some reason he's not being utilised in the right way for him or the team.
|
|
|
Post by Toeby on Nov 14, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
Henry set up the equaliser from the left Saturday with a great pass, but I'd have him down the right. This is what you can get out of Henry when he plays down the right. m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZcL4JkVPdIThe second goal is all his making - he doesn't do that if he plays down the left. Likewise, the half chance in the first half wouldn't have come about had he been down the left. With it on his strongest side he's got the confidence to try smashing one across goal, which is exactly what he does at the end and Xemi finished the rebound well. I think a big part of the reason we're struggling is the tactics. Henry down the right with a high press, please Pep 🙏
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Nov 14, 2017 17:08:16 GMT
Henry set up the equaliser from the left Saturday with a great pass, but I'd have him down the right. This is what you can get out of Henry when he plays down the right. m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZcL4JkVPdIThe second goal is all his making - he doesn't do that if he plays down the left. Likewise, the half chance in the first half wouldn't have come about had he been down the left. With it on his strongest side he's got the confidence to try smashing one across goal, which is exactly what he does at the end and Xemi finished the rebound well. I think a big part of the reason we're struggling is the tactics. Henry down the right with a high press, please Pep 🙏 Just don't think we can safely play a high press with the defenders we have. They are too slow and very vulnerable to channels balls. The squad seems to have been built without any regard for tactical flexibility. If one considers that there are about four different basic strategies to play, we can only play one of them. Don't have the target man to play direct; don't have the attacking pace to play on the counter; don't have the defensive pace to play a high press. So we simply have to play the ball gradually and intricately through the thirds.
|
|
|
Post by bicesterox on Nov 16, 2017 8:20:16 GMT
I keep trying to convince myself that this is a repeat of Appletons first season, where people, inc me, were calling for his sacking until about March - April time. We were proved so wrong then.
I really want Pep to bring success to the club but I have to admit that at the moment I can only see disaster unless he finds a plan B and C pretty damn quick.
Hoping Plymouth will be the turning point.
|
|
|
Post by oufcluke27 on Nov 17, 2017 7:25:19 GMT
the guy has no plan B,C,or D. how on earth he picks tiendalli ahead of Carroll is beyond me and ruffles appears to be out of favour again!!!!! there seems no cohesion whatsoever in the squad. he's gone for over the hill foreigners who just aren't up to the job. I really can't see us getting a result at wanky Plymouth after last Saturday,if he starts using the injuries as an excuse now then it's pretty obvious he's run out of excuses......lose tomorrow he has to go but we all know Daryl won't sack him!!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by oufcluke27 on Nov 17, 2017 7:26:30 GMT
People who want Pep out can go tbh it's a forum people have their own opinions as do you!!
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Nov 17, 2017 8:15:58 GMT
the guy has no plan B,C,or D. how on earth he picks tiendalli ahead of Carroll is beyond me and ruffles appears to be out of favour again!!!!! there seems no cohesion whatsoever in the squad. he's gone for over the hill foreigners who just aren't up to the job. I really can't see us getting a result at wanky Plymouth after last Saturday,if he starts using the injuries as an excuse now then it's pretty obvious he's run out of excuses......lose tomorrow he has to go but we all know Daryl won't sack him!!!!!!! He picks Tiendalli because he wants to be proved correct in signing him. This is not unusual amongst managers (MApp, for all his strengths, had a big dose of Not Invented Here...remember his reluctance to play Hylton And O'Dowda?) Given that we are mid-table (a situation most of us would have accepted pre-season) it would be a strange sacking in November. But you aren't the only one to detectc storm clouds through a mixture of limited tactics and an elderly injury-prone squad in a league that rewards pace and power above all else. It's odd, though, how often in football just when you think you're never going to win another game, from nowhere you get a win and the whole mood around the camp changes (c.f. Peterborough away) Plymouth are my 'second side' (Cornish grandparent!) and I've seen them play twice this season. They are desperately limited going forwards. If we can up our tempo and really go for the jugular I think we could/should win.
|
|
|
Post by tatabanya on Nov 17, 2017 8:35:13 GMT
People who want Pep out can go tbh it's a forum people have their own opinions as do you!! Where did I say that they couldn't?
|
|
|
Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 17, 2017 9:09:04 GMT
All due respect to a young player learning his trade, but perhaps the manager doesn't think he is quite ready yet and thus is careful when he plays and who he plays against. I'm not saying Tiendalli has been anything but poor, but there are moments to put younng players in
|
|
|
Post by oufcluke27 on Nov 17, 2017 9:52:05 GMT
Carroll is better than tiendalli by a country mile
|
|
|
Post by oufcluke27 on Nov 17, 2017 9:53:44 GMT
the guy has no plan B,C,or D. how on earth he picks tiendalli ahead of Carroll is beyond me and ruffles appears to be out of favour again!!!!! there seems no cohesion whatsoever in the squad. he's gone for over the hill foreigners who just aren't up to the job. I really can't see us getting a result at wanky Plymouth after last Saturday,if he starts using the injuries as an excuse now then it's pretty obvious he's run out of excuses......lose tomorrow he has to go but we all know Daryl won't sack him!!!!!!! He picks Tiendalli because he wants to be proved correct in signing him. This is not unusual amongst managers (MApp, for all his strengths, had a big dose of Not Invented Here...remember his reluctance to play Hylton And O'Dowda?) Given that we are mid-table (a situation most of us would have accepted pre-season) it would be a strange sacking in November. But you aren't the only one to detectc storm clouds through a mixture of limited tactics and an elderly injury-prone squad in a league that rewards pace and power above all else. It's odd, though, how often in football just when you think you're never going to win another game, from nowhere you get a win and the whole mood around the camp changes (c.f. Peterborough away) Plymouth are my 'second side' (Cornish grandparent!) and I've seen them play twice this season. They are desperately limited going forwards. If we can up our tempo and really go for the jugular I think we could/should win. I'm hoping we go down there and hammer them Charlie but I just cannot see it happening
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Nov 17, 2017 10:10:54 GMT
Correct. Because he has a dilemma. Hall is one of our most effective attacking players so can't leave him out. Henry, more defensively aware, however lacks pace. The result, two players, that are starters, fighting for the same position. I think if I was Pep I would start with Rothwell on the left, Henry on the right and use Hall, at least until he is fully fit, as the classic 60min sub for Henry. Henry was terrible on the left on Saturday. He rarely provided any outlet as he is so slow he doesn't, or can't, make a forward run to receive a ball when our full back has possession. Therefore, he usually ends up going backwards for the ball and just getting more in the way than helping, and making it so much easier to defend against. To be fair hall , despite his pa e also never makes runs to receive the ball from the full back, he waits till he has it at feet.
|
|
|
Post by makv on Nov 17, 2017 15:14:04 GMT
Henry was terrible on the left on Saturday. He rarely provided any outlet as he is so slow he doesn't, or can't, make a forward run to receive a ball when our full back has possession. Therefore, he usually ends up going backwards for the ball and just getting more in the way than helping, and making it so much easier to defend against. To be fair hall , despite his pa e also never makes runs to receive the ball from the full back, he waits till he has it at feet. ?
|
|
|
Post by m on Nov 17, 2017 15:24:12 GMT
To be fair hall , despite his pa e also never makes runs to receive the ball from the full back, he waits till he has it at feet. ? Read 'pa e' as 'pace' and it makes sense.
|
|
|
Post by londonroader on Nov 17, 2017 17:28:00 GMT
Another week drifts by and no news on any new owners, anyone else going to guess whether it will happen next or the week after if at all...
|
|
|
Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 17, 2017 22:52:25 GMT
I suppose it depends on which poor sap can pass the fit and proper persons test. Does anyone here fancy a go?
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Nov 18, 2017 8:06:00 GMT
Another week drifts by and no news on any new owners, anyone else going to guess whether it will happen next or the week after if at all... Probably a question best asked of those who had a meeting with him last week, no?
|
|
|
Post by uptheus on Nov 18, 2017 8:12:01 GMT
The thing is, we know it's a done deal and a good chance it's not in the club's interest.
|
|