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Post by Yellow River on Nov 8, 2017 10:19:02 GMT
I believe that there is too much uncertainty at our club. This uncertainty stems from the fact that the club is for sale, it's been going on for almost a year now and has finally seeped its way down to the coaches, manager and the players.
Appleton was spooked by the apparent lack of funds that had been promised last January. Key players such as the captain Lundstram, and Maguire publicly made it very clear at their concern that Appleton might not be at the club at the beginning of the new season.
The alarm bells were right to be ringing. The saga of the Sartori bid dragged on, Appleton wanted to complete his transfers/signings early, that didn't happen and he wasn't prepared to wait any longer. We lost our best manager in decades because of the uncertainty.
I feel a bit sorry for Clotet in that he had to do a lot of his business late in the day, but he is responsible for packing our squad full of overseas players with little English League experience, a gamble for sure and so far it's not paid off. Injuries have not helped
The club feels rudderless compared to the Appleton era.
So back to the uncertainty at the club, another takeover rumoured. Clotet is probably worried about his position at the club if new owners come in, Fazackerly and Allen probably worried too. Players are only human too, they will be concerned, it all seeps down from the boardroom to the pitch.
Eales needs to show some leadership, the short/medium term future of the club needs certainty and stability.
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Post by oufcbenjyp on Nov 8, 2017 10:41:23 GMT
I agree with the sentiment and it is right to say that there doesn't appear to be anyone in charge. I think, given the circumstances, Clotet is doing an ok job because I think he is getting zero support from on high. Where has DE gone? I don't know the guy from Adam but it does look like he has checked out of the club emotionally. If this is the case then don't expect any short or medium term leadership from him. It would be like getting back with a girlfriend you've previously dumped because your mate told you to do so, we all know how that ends. The sooner we can get some clarity on the future of the club the better as we seem to be on the drift at present and this is showing in the players on the pitch and their inconsistent performances.
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 8, 2017 11:07:15 GMT
I agree with the sentiment and it is right to say that there doesn't appear to be anyone in charge. I think, given the circumstances, Clotet is doing an ok job because I think he is getting zero support from on high. Where has DE gone? I don't know the guy from Adam but it does look like he has checked out of the club emotionally. If this is the case then don't expect any short or medium term leadership from him. It would be like getting back with a girlfriend you've previously dumped because your mate told you to do so, we all know how that ends. The sooner we can get some clarity on the future of the club the better as we seem to be on the drift at present and this is showing in the players on the pitch and their inconsistent performances. I did this before I got married. She had been unfaithful with my mate, who told me so I dumped her, but not him. She said sorry and pleaded to get back together and for me to dump my mate (fellow yellow and supporting OUFC together is a bond pretty strong) and promised sex and roast dinners, something my mate couldn't give me. To cut a long story short, the sex dried up and the roast dinners became unappetising and the lifelong allure of supporting a football team was stronger so I stuck with my mate and OUFC and married an understanding woman who makes great food. I don't know why I'm telling this but there you go.
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 8, 2017 11:11:42 GMT
Yeah but what would you do if somebody came along offering you Thai food..?
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 8, 2017 11:22:57 GMT
I believe that there is too much uncertainty at our club. This uncertainty stems from the fact that the club is for sale, it's been going on for almost a year now and has finally seeped its way down to the coaches, manager and the players. Appleton was spooked by the apparent lack of funds that had been promised last January. Key players such as the captain Lundstram, and Maguire publicly made it very clear at their concern that Appleton might not be at the club at the beginning of the new season. The alarm bells were right to be ringing. The saga of the Sartori bid dragged on, Appleton wanted to complete his transfers/signings early, that didn't happen and he wasn't prepared to wait any longer. We lost our best manager in decades because of the uncertainty. I feel a bit sorry for Clotet in that he had to do a lot of his business late in the day, but he is responsible for packing our squad full of overseas players with little English League experience, a gamble for sure and so far it's not paid off. Injuries have not helped The club feels rudderless compared to the Appleton era. So back to the uncertainty at the club, another takeover rumoured. Clotet is probably worried about his position at the club if new owners come in, Fazackerly and Allen probably worried too. Players are only human too, they will be concerned, it all seeps down from the boardroom to the pitch. Eales needs to show some leadership, the short/medium term future of the club needs certainty and stability. Is the club for sale ? I've scoured E Bay and cant find it anywhere ?
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Post by oufcbenjyp on Nov 8, 2017 11:29:53 GMT
I agree with the sentiment and it is right to say that there doesn't appear to be anyone in charge. I think, given the circumstances, Clotet is doing an ok job because I think he is getting zero support from on high. Where has DE gone? I don't know the guy from Adam but it does look like he has checked out of the club emotionally. If this is the case then don't expect any short or medium term leadership from him. It would be like getting back with a girlfriend you've previously dumped because your mate told you to do so, we all know how that ends. The sooner we can get some clarity on the future of the club the better as we seem to be on the drift at present and this is showing in the players on the pitch and their inconsistent performances. I did this before I got married. She had been unfaithful with my mate, who told me so I dumped her, but not him. She said sorry and pleaded to get back together and for me to dump my mate (fellow yellow and supporting OUFC together is a bond pretty strong) and promised sex and roast dinners, something my mate couldn't give me. To cut a long story short, the sex dried up and the roast dinners became unappetising and the lifelong allure of supporting a football team was stronger so I stuck with my mate and OUFC and married an understanding woman who makes great food. I don't know why I'm telling this but there you go. I like it. Bringing it a bit more into context; DE is obviously the girlfriend; the promise of sex (promotion to the Championship) and roast dinners (hot dogs at away games). The only problem is we are the ones getting dumped and can't find/don't have an understanding woman who makes great food - that tends to be a general problem in life not easily solved!!
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Post by horseman on Nov 8, 2017 11:45:29 GMT
You forgot to mention that you've been charged extra in advance for the sex that might never happen
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 8, 2017 17:49:29 GMT
I agree with the sentiment and it is right to say that there doesn't appear to be anyone in charge. I think, given the circumstances, Clotet is doing an ok job because I think he is getting zero support from on high. Where has DE gone? I don't know the guy from Adam but it does look like he has checked out of the club emotionally. If this is the case then don't expect any short or medium term leadership from him. It would be like getting back with a girlfriend you've previously dumped because your mate told you to do so, we all know how that ends. The sooner we can get some clarity on the future of the club the better as we seem to be on the drift at present and this is showing in the players on the pitch and their inconsistent performances. I did this before I got married. She had been unfaithful with my mate, who told me so I dumped her, but not him. She said sorry and pleaded to get back together and for me to dump my mate (fellow yellow and supporting OUFC together is a bond pretty strong) and promised sex and roast dinners, something my mate couldn't give me. To cut a long story short, the sex dried up and the roast dinners became unappetising and the lifelong allure of supporting a football team was stronger so I stuck with my mate and OUFC and married an understanding woman who makes great food. I don't know why I'm telling this but there you go. If Carlsberg did analogies ........
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Nov 8, 2017 19:25:45 GMT
At least with a fickle girlfriend you don't end up getting screwed.
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Post by KLYellow on Nov 9, 2017 4:59:57 GMT
Let's be realistic, we are a division 1 club, with a division 1 stadium and doing okay. We are about where we should be.
Looking at the Championship, I can see only Brentford and Burton are comparable or smaller than us.
Yes, whether it's a person, company or football team, they always would like to improve. But you have to look at the circumstances and see how that's possible?
Another analogy, I expect many people on here rent instead of owning their own place. What's stopping them buying their own place? But even if you rent, you will make the place the best you can and how you like it. To buy a place, you need funding/investment.
So whether it was JS or the Thais, am sure DE wants to be reassured that any investment is to take the club forward better than he come and it's for the right reasons.
So let's sit back and support our team and see what happens.
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Post by worleox42 on Nov 9, 2017 18:37:13 GMT
We, as supporters are very good at spinning on any gossip... sure It will all be revealed shortly...
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 12, 2017 7:57:13 GMT
As I said before the club feels rudderless compared to the Appleton era, and that starts from the very top.
In the boardroom where is the leadership to inspirie staff and supporters our club, where is the leadership to promote our club, where is the leadership to unite the club?
Too much uncertainty, a lack of leadership, a shrug of the shoulders, rudderless and drifting downwards.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 12, 2017 9:01:55 GMT
As I said before the club feels rudderless compared to the Appleton era, and that starts from the very top. In the boardroom where is the leadership to inspirie staff and supporters our club, where is the leadership to promote our club, where is the leadership to unite the club? Too much uncertainty, a lack of leadership, a shrug of the shoulders, rudderless and drifting downwards. Since DE took over, the Board has been window dressing. Those that are qualified to do positive things live too far away to be of much use on a day to day basis. That in and of itself need not be a bad thing. For 18 months, the club was entirely run by Ashton and Appleton, two strong characters with distinct skill sets. The departure of first one and then the other has left giant leadership holes, as would be expected in any business. On top of that, the vacancies at commercial director, marketing manager, managing director and head of scouting means that there are simply significantly fewer people at the club who have any authority to do anything. With almost all businesses there are cause and effect time lags. So in Appleton and Ashton's first six months they suffered the effects of IL's last six months (when he had checked out and was just looking to max out his return). Likewise, OUFC has been subsisting for some time off the pitch on the legacy of Ashton's 18 months leadership at the club (feelgood comms with fans; the odd smart marketing initiative; quality recruitment set-up). And until recently has been subsisting off Mapp ' s tenure on the pitch (bright, progressive, well-motivated players). But at some point, as the ingrained memories of Ashton and Appleton fade, the club needs new day-to-day leadership at a strategic, macro level. That isn't one person, or even two people. It's an entire plan, staffed appropriately. For those crowing that we are 10th so 'no panic', I would just point out that since the first two games of the season we have 17 points from 15 games (and have been knocked out of the two Cups at the first hurdle by two poor outfits). Continue that form for the next fifteen games and we will have 40 points after 32 games and be in circa 18th place. Panic is an ugly, pejorative word. But it's happier bedfellows- leadership, decisiveness, calm planning - are certainly something that football clubs require to be successful. I think that that is what the OP is calling for. The micro issue of whether Pep Clotet is or is not the man for the job is actually less important than the whole organisation understanding what the plan is and who the leaders are to carry that plan out.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 12, 2017 9:41:29 GMT
As I said before the club feels rudderless compared to the Appleton era, and that starts from the very top. In the boardroom where is the leadership to inspirie staff and supporters our club, where is the leadership to promote our club, where is the leadership to unite the club? Too much uncertainty, a lack of leadership, a shrug of the shoulders, rudderless and drifting downwards. Since DE took over, the Board has been window dressing. Those that are qualified to do positive things live too far away to be of much use on a day to day basis. That in and of itself need not be a bad thing. For 18 months, the club was entirely run by Ashton and Appleton, two strong characters with distinct skill sets. The departure of first one and then the other has left giant leadership holes, as would be expected in any business. On top of that, the vacancies at commercial director, marketing manager, managing director and head of scouting means that there are simply significantly fewer people at the club who have any authority to do anything. With almost all businesses there are cause and effect time lags. So in Appleton and Ashton's first six months they suffered the effects of IL's last six months (when he had checked out and was just looking to max out his return). Likewise, OUFC has been subsisting for some time off the pitch on the legacy of Ashton's 18 months leadership at the club (feelgood comms with fans; the odd smart marketing initiative; quality recruitment set-up). And until recently has been subsisting off Mapp ' s tenure on the pitch (bright, progressive, well-motivated players). But at some point, as the ingrained memories of Ashton and Appleton fade, the club needs new day-to-day leadership at a strategic, macro level. That isn't one person, or even two people. It's an entire plan, staffed appropriately. For those crowing that we are 10th so 'no panic', I would just point out that since the first two games of the season we have 17 points from 15 games (and have been knocked out of the two Cups at the first hurdle by two poor outfits). Continue that form for the next fifteen games and we will have 40 points after 32 games and be in circa 18th place. Panic is an ugly, pejorative word. But it's happier bedfellows- leadership, decisiveness, calm planning - are certainly something that football clubs require to be successful. I think that that is what the OP is calling for. The micro issue of whether Pep Clotet is or is not the man for the job is actually less important than the whole organisation understanding what the plan is and who the leaders are to carry that plan out. Good post Charlie. You have written and articulated my worries and concerns better than I'm able to.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 12, 2017 9:50:28 GMT
Since DE took over, the Board has been window dressing. Those that are qualified to do positive things live too far away to be of much use on a day to day basis. That in and of itself need not be a bad thing. For 18 months, the club was entirely run by Ashton and Appleton, two strong characters with distinct skill sets. The departure of first one and then the other has left giant leadership holes, as would be expected in any business. On top of that, the vacancies at commercial director, marketing manager, managing director and head of scouting means that there are simply significantly fewer people at the club who have any authority to do anything. With almost all businesses there are cause and effect time lags. So in Appleton and Ashton's first six months they suffered the effects of IL's last six months (when he had checked out and was just looking to max out his return). Likewise, OUFC has been subsisting for some time off the pitch on the legacy of Ashton's 18 months leadership at the club (feelgood comms with fans; the odd smart marketing initiative; quality recruitment set-up). And until recently has been subsisting off Mapp ' s tenure on the pitch (bright, progressive, well-motivated players). But at some point, as the ingrained memories of Ashton and Appleton fade, the club needs new day-to-day leadership at a strategic, macro level. That isn't one person, or even two people. It's an entire plan, staffed appropriately. For those crowing that we are 10th so 'no panic', I would just point out that since the first two games of the season we have 17 points from 15 games (and have been knocked out of the two Cups at the first hurdle by two poor outfits). Continue that form for the next fifteen games and we will have 40 points after 32 games and be in circa 18th place. Panic is an ugly, pejorative word. But it's happier bedfellows- leadership, decisiveness, calm planning - are certainly something that football clubs require to be successful. I think that that is what the OP is calling for. The micro issue of whether Pep Clotet is or is not the man for the job is actually less important than the whole organisation understanding what the plan is and who the leaders are to carry that plan out. Good post Charlie. You have written and articulated my worries and concerns better than I'm able to. Indeed. A very good summary. Pity Chas' two posts following this one were, once again, insulting towards one regular poster and condescending in the extreme towards another. It sometimes feels like there's a top class contributor in there, self-harming at interval for some bizarre reason.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 12, 2017 10:08:16 GMT
Good post Charlie. You have written and articulated my worries and concerns better than I'm able to. Indeed. A very good summary. Pity Chas' two posts following this one were, once again, insulting towards one regular poster and condescending in the extreme towards another. It sometimes feels like there's a top class contributor in there, desperately self-harming at interval for some bizarre reason. Pete, you might want to take a gander as to the regular allegations that the same people make against me and the tone of voice they employ. I don't recall you admonishing them too often. And fair enough. I'm a big boy. As the great Pope Francis says, when someone has a go, you punch him on the nose. And I'm afraid that I do believe that these people are doing great harm to the club that we all, including them, love. Their thinking (If thinking is the word) is so dominated by personalities and weird conspiracies that nothing is thought through properly from first principles. Hence why they swing wildly from being fanatical supporters of Darryl to vicious opponents to fanatical supporters again. The conspiracies are outlandish and, often, offensive. For instance, one of that group has been putting it about that the reason I want to see the stadium moved is for my own financial gain. How? I am not a landowner at water Eaton, nor a developer, nor the owner of OUFC.... So yes it is frustrating. Frustrating to see un-strategic personality-based un-transparent nonsense infecting a significant portion of the fanbase. So, to answer your qyestion: to those who want honest, open, fact-based debate, you will see the poster you like. In answer to those playing untransparent games behind the scenes whilst bringing nothing to the long-term good of the club ( and their useful idiots, as one of the cabal describes his own followers such as oufcyellows) you will see the poster you don't like.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 10:29:43 GMT
Indeed. A very good summary. Pity Chas' two posts following this one were, once again, insulting towards one regular poster and condescending in the extreme towards another. It sometimes feels like there's a top class contributor in there, desperately self-harming at interval for some bizarre reason. Pete, you might want to take a gander as to the regular allegations that the same people make against me and the tone of voice they employ. I don't recall you admonishing them too often. And fair enough. I'm a big boy. As the great Pope Francis says, when someone has a go, you punch him on the nose. And I'm afraid that I do believe that these people are doing great harm to the club that we all, including them, love. Their thinking (If thinking is the word) is so dominated by personalities and weird conspiracies that nothing is thought through properly from first principles. Hence why they swing wildly from being fanatical supporters of Darryl to vicious opponents to fanatical supporters again. The conspiracies are outlandish and, often, offensive. For instance, one of that group has been putting it about that the reason I want to see the stadium moved is for my own financial gain. How? I am not a landowner at water Eaton, nor a developer, nor the owner of OUFC.... So yes it is frustrating. Frustrating to see un-strategic personality-based un-transparent nonsense infecting a significant portion of the fanbase. So, to answer your qyestion: to those who want honest, open, fact-based debate, you will see the poster you like. In answer to those playing untransparent games behind the scenes whilst bringing nothing to the long-term good of the club ( and their useful idiots, as one of the cabal describes his own followers such as oufcyellows) you will see the poster you don't like. Go on then - who describes me as a useful idiot , other than u ? Maybe it’s a member of this group I’m supposedly involved in , that is so too secret that even us members don’t know who the others are. And as for flipping between supporting Daryl and being against him ! Why was that Charles. Oh yes that’s right it was because ur self and myles were feeding me all that info on here and in pm, happy to have a “useful idiot” then argue ur points for u while u sit back rubbing ur hand in a mr burns style
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 12, 2017 10:31:28 GMT
while u sit back rubbing ur hand in a mr burns style Ergh. A Jeremy Beadle moment.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 10:37:15 GMT
while u sit back rubbing ur hand in a mr burns style Ergh. A Jeremy Beadle moment.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 12, 2017 10:43:11 GMT
Pete, you might want to take a gander as to the regular allegations that the same people make against me and the tone of voice they employ. I don't recall you admonishing them too often. And fair enough. I'm a big boy. As the great Pope Francis says, when someone has a go, you punch him on the nose. And I'm afraid that I do believe that these people are doing great harm to the club that we all, including them, love. Their thinking (If thinking is the word) is so dominated by personalities and weird conspiracies that nothing is thought through properly from first principles. Hence why they swing wildly from being fanatical supporters of Darryl to vicious opponents to fanatical supporters again. The conspiracies are outlandish and, often, offensive. For instance, one of that group has been putting it about that the reason I want to see the stadium moved is for my own financial gain. How? I am not a landowner at water Eaton, nor a developer, nor the owner of OUFC.... So yes it is frustrating. Frustrating to see un-strategic personality-based un-transparent nonsense infecting a significant portion of the fanbase. So, to answer your qyestion: to those who want honest, open, fact-based debate, you will see the poster you like. In answer to those playing untransparent games behind the scenes whilst bringing nothing to the long-term good of the club ( and their useful idiots, as one of the cabal describes his own followers such as oufcyellows) you will see the poster you don't like. Go on then - who describes me as a useful idiot , other than u ? Maybe it’s a member of this group I’m supposedly involved in , that is so too secret that even us members don’t know who the others are. And as for flipping between supporting Daryl and being against him ! Why was that Charles. Oh yes that’s right it was because ur self and myles were feeding me all that info on here and in pm, happy to have a “useful idiot” then argue ur points for u while u sit back rubbing ur hand in a mr burns style Myles? Well I am disappointed.
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