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Post by victor1986 on Nov 8, 2017 12:57:05 GMT
That's a really excellent summary ryaniobirdio! Makes Saturday very interesting?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 8, 2017 13:26:51 GMT
Saturday's not so much interesting as bloody worrying.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 8, 2017 13:39:59 GMT
We're missing another option in the midfield for me. It's not a criticism of the players in the team, but it would give the manager more tactical flexibility and teams to think about. Defensively, we look like we need to tighten up again - what's interesting is when an injury forces a change in the back 4, how much it affects the whole team.
What has surprised me is that we are 4 points better off than last season. Our short term form has been so erratic that it makes it feel like we are worse than we were last season across the fan base. The lack of cup success has doubled down on that feeling.
Yet again, the high turnover of players has meant for a particularly slow and inconsistent start to the season. Another lesson to learn for the club (again).
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 8, 2017 15:46:54 GMT
Just seen the highlights from last nights match. I honestly can't remember when I've seen such a catalogue of shambolic defending. I think it was probably my sons under 10's team but in their defence one of the team had had his birthday party the evening before.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 8, 2017 15:58:13 GMT
Just seen the highlights from last nights match. I honestly can't remember when I've seen such a catalogue of shambolic defending. I think it was probably my sons under 10's team but in their defence one of the team had had his birthday party the evening before. Just watched he highlights as well, shambolic defending to say the least. Half hearted challenges and worrying lack of man-marking from the little you get to see. Question; Is Pep trying to implement zonal marking to a Mid/lower league 1 side? If so it will end in tears.
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 8, 2017 16:07:21 GMT
Just seen the highlights from last nights match. I honestly can't remember when I've seen such a catalogue of shambolic defending. I think it was probably my sons under 10's team but in their defence one of the team had had his birthday party the evening before. Just watched he highlights as well, shambolic defending to say the least. Half hearted challenges and worrying lack of man-marking from the little you get to see. Question; Is Pep trying to implement zonal marking to a Mid/lower league 1 side? If so it will end in tears. Possibly, but first goal was simply down to everybody being fast asleep..
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Post by dubaiyellow on Nov 8, 2017 16:34:35 GMT
Quite a lot of ball watching going on
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 8, 2017 16:56:56 GMT
Its wrong of course, but I really don't think much of the team wanted to play that game last night. Trying to motivate yourself for a wet Tuesday in November, In front of 1000 fans when you have still aching joints and are on a psychological downer from a defeat against lowly opposition just 4 days earlier...??
I know its their job but lets be honest we all feel like that from time to time, and its not as if they are getting paid 100,s of thousands.
Personally I would have played as many of the fringe players as I could had I been manager. Those players who would have shown a bit more hunger on the night and perhaps with a statement to make.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 8, 2017 16:58:56 GMT
Just watched he highlights as well, shambolic defending to say the least. Half hearted challenges and worrying lack of man-marking from the little you get to see. Question; Is Pep trying to implement zonal marking to a Mid/lower league 1 side? If so it will end in tears.
Possibly, but first goal was simply down to everybody being fast asleep.. Both....they were all a sleep while zonally marking
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Post by toucan on Nov 8, 2017 17:02:34 GMT
Just watched he highlights as well, shambolic defending to say the least. Half hearted challenges and worrying lack of man-marking from the little you get to see. Question; Is Pep trying to implement zonal marking to a Mid/lower league 1 side? If so it will end in tears. Possibly, but first goal was simply down to everybody being fast asleep.. Exactly like the first goal that Fleetwood scored a few weeks back. Same mistakes time and time again
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 8, 2017 17:04:20 GMT
Just seen the highlights from last nights match. I honestly can't remember when I've seen such a catalogue of shambolic defending. I think it was probably my sons under 10's team but in their defence one of the team had had his birthday party the evening before. I tell you what thought was a brilliant match to watch...real cup football first half...end to end stuff ... like two prize fighters standing toe to toe...
I really think in another 10 minutes we would have scored an equaliser.
To be perfectly blunt and not making any excuses, the conditions contributed to the goal fest.
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Post by highlights on Nov 8, 2017 18:03:33 GMT
Quick point: this has nothing to do with zonal marking. At all. Not even close. Not tracking runners/poor marking shouldn't be confused with it.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 8, 2017 18:26:15 GMT
As much as i couldn't give a shit about this competition, defending for the last goal was diabolical, just seen it, Mousinho caught ball watching instead of watching his man who had the whole right of the box to himself, something that has happened more then once now as he done the same against Rotherham in the league by not tracking Kieffer Moore who scored the equaliser. Makes me wonder what actually happens at training as the basics are often forgotten. Do they actually practice the basic defensive maneuver's or do they just focus on the more technical things? something that i have been wondering few games.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 8, 2017 18:30:51 GMT
Diabolical defending from the U’s last night.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Nov 8, 2017 19:07:44 GMT
Just watched the 'highlights' from last night's horror show. Anyone who has ever played in goal will know that you feared the team mate whose idea of defending was to stand in front of you, obstruct your view, never bother to mark opponents, close them down and whose idea of a block was to half-heartedly stick a foot out. Of course that doesn't happen in professional football, does it?
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 8, 2017 19:20:11 GMT
As much as I rate Nelson that was a rubbish clearance which immediately put us under pressure for theIr second goal and then a powder puff challenge for the third.
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Post by bicesterox on Nov 8, 2017 19:42:28 GMT
Got to feel sorry for Eastwood playing behind that lot
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Post by ontheup01 on Nov 8, 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Another disappointing performance albeit in a strange " limited effort from players" cup. Still we were so easily opened up with players just bursting through the centre and ending up slotting away unchallenged.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Nov 8, 2017 21:45:14 GMT
I know this is the Marie Celeste Cup and I also never comment on games I haven’t watched live but on this occasion ..what APPALLING defending....
Half arsed, uncommitted, and, frankly, embarrassing.
On the other hand, the important stuff starts again on Saturday, and we are still top half. So don’t really get all the woe is me stuff.
Just yet.
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Post by foley on Nov 8, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
Possibly, but first goal was simply down to everybody being fast asleep.. Exactly like the first goal that Fleetwood scored a few weeks back. Same mistakes time and time again OK poor defending I agree (to put it mildly) but ... I read that the Fleetwood first goal was the first we had conceded all season from a corner? If correct then it certainly is not the same mistake time and time again?
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Post by foley on Nov 8, 2017 21:54:55 GMT
I know this is the Marie Celeste Cup and I also never comment on games I haven’t watched live but on this occasion ..what APPALLING defending.... Half arsed, uncommitted, and, frankly, embarrassing. On the other hand, the important stuff starts again on Saturday, and we are still top half. So don’t really get all the woe is me stuff. Just yet. Agree. Saturday is huge. If we win that then we may well be 8th/9th in the League. And the table doesn't lie. I am convinced that we will be more solid Saturday with Henry and Ledson back (assuming Ledson was rested). Plus Richardinho. We do need to wake up defensively though as we need the 3 points. I note that Northampton are 5th in the form table if we take the last 4 games, so no mugs on current form....
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Post by toucan on Nov 9, 2017 9:54:42 GMT
Exactly like the first goal that Fleetwood scored a few weeks back. Same mistakes time and time again OK poor defending I agree (to put it mildly) but ... I read that the Fleetwood first goal was the first we had conceded all season from a corner? If correct then it certainly is not the same mistake time and time again? Different in as much as it resulted from a set piece but exactly the same in that the defence just stood like statues watching what was occurring in front of them. All goals are different to some degree but it just reminded me instantly of the same mistakes ie no one moving to make a challenge. Take a look at the videos.
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Post by unification on Nov 9, 2017 13:16:51 GMT
If anyone is arsed, the draw takes place for this tomorrow ahead of the England v Germany game.
As Group runners up of Group G in the southern section, we are in Draw A and face an away trip to one of Group A, B, C or D group winners. This could be Portsmouth, Gillingham, Swindon/West Ham U21s (the likelihood is the latter) or some teams in Group D (Yeovil, Plymouth, Chelsea U21s) where I've lost the will to live working out the permeations.
Joy.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 9, 2017 13:18:45 GMT
If anyone is arsed, the draw takes place for this tomorrow ahead of the England v Germany game. As Group runners up of Group G in the southern section, we are in Draw A and face an away trip to one of Group A, B, C or D group winners. This could be Portsmouth, Gillingham, Swindon/West Ham U21s (the likelihood is the latter) or some teams in Group D (Yeovil, Plymouth, Chelsea U21s) where I've lost the will to live working out the permeations. Joy. Hmm. Let me think . . . . . . Nope. not arsed at all.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 9, 2017 13:24:24 GMT
I noticed a Romanian international scored for Reading stiffs the other night. That'll really help the English national team.
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Post by unification on Nov 9, 2017 13:35:27 GMT
As if to labour the point again, I hope somebody seriously questions Shaun Harvey the next time he brings up the Wembley attendances for the final of this trophy. Just because Coventry vs Oxford had a big attendance last year (and there were a lot of reasons for that), it doesn't justify how devalued the competition is. This is what should be shoved under his nose. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41922973
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Post by concretebob on Nov 9, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
As if to labour the point again, I hope somebody seriously questions Shaun Harvey the next time he brings up the Wembley attendances for the final of this trophy. Just because Coventry vs Oxford had a big attendance last year (and there were a lot of reasons for that), it doesn't justify how devalued the competition is. This is what should be shoved under his nose. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41922973Wouldn't be surprised if Grimsby made a loss on hosting that game.
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