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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 16, 2017 13:14:47 GMT
All records are there to be broken. All the big players will need to perform at their peak, and no putting them in on a cracking wicket either!
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Post by berliner on Nov 16, 2017 20:04:14 GMT
Tim Paine set to be recalled as keeper over Nevill and Wade. Last first-class ton in 2006...coach Darren Lehmann made a first-class ton as recently as 2007! Renshaw the Aussie Smoggie set to be dropped as well, with Shaun Marsh making his 146th comeback in the national team. Good sports the Aussies, giving the guests a chance!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 16, 2017 21:49:18 GMT
Geez. I'm surprised they didn't try and get Haddin back. But it shows why this series will be a hell of a lot closer than some think.
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 16, 2017 22:24:24 GMT
If this was at home you would strongly fancy us against that team, even with our weaknesses and minus Stokes, but we are not the best travellers so it makes for an interesting series.
I know they don't lose at the Gabba, but what a message that sends if we beat them, especially with how mouthy they are, its a massive first test, wish I was there for it.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 16, 2017 22:37:43 GMT
Bairstow could be one of those quiet players who have a massive series. Better than his Aussie counterpart and strengthens the batting where Stokes has gone. I'm also glad that Stoneman has looked confident in Oz and has largely been a non-factor in the media. Vince, on the other hand, has been getting sniped at already - I wonder how many tests he will last before someone from the Lions takes over.
Another quiet factor will be Bayliss wanting to win at home. You can't underestimate what that will do the squad or his experience of Aussie grounds.
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Post by foley on Nov 16, 2017 22:46:57 GMT
Bairstow could be one of those quiet players who have a massive series. Better than his Aussie counterpart and strengthens the batting where Stokes has gone. I'm also glad that Stoneman has looked confident in Oz and has largely been a non-factor in the media. Vince, on the other hand, has been getting sniped at already - I wonder how many tests he will last before someone from the Lions takes over. Another quiet factor will be Bayliss wanting to win at home. You can't underestimate what that will do the squad or his experience of Aussie grounds. I reckon that our batsmen are equally as good as theirs. My worry is that in Aussi conditions Starc and Cummins (plus Lyon) will have far more than we do in fire power. Starc will blow away our tail but their tail could get a fair few. Let's hope for the best at the Gabba.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 17, 2017 8:46:39 GMT
Bairstow could be one of those quiet players who have a massive series. Better than his Aussie counterpart and strengthens the batting where Stokes has gone. I'm also glad that Stoneman has looked confident in Oz and has largely been a non-factor in the media. Vince, on the other hand, has been getting sniped at already - I wonder how many tests he will last before someone from the Lions takes over. Another quiet factor will be Bayliss wanting to win at home. You can't underestimate what that will do the squad or his experience of Aussie grounds. I reckon that our batsmen are equally as good as theirs. My worry is that in Aussi conditions Starc and Cummins (plus Lyon) will have far more than we do in fire power. Starc will blow away our tail but their tail could get a fair few. Let's hope for the best at the Gabba. Starc is one of those bowlers who looks the pits one minute, has a 5 for the next - I'm sure they are hoping his hamstrings are going to stay ok for the series! Lyon is probably their best and most consistent bowler. Brittle Aussie pace bowlers could win or lose them the series. And our bowlers have done what they should have so far in warm ups. I'm not super confident, but I cannot see a massive whooping either. If England get through the Gabba without losing, we may have seen their best punch, so to speak.
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Post by tonyw on Nov 17, 2017 15:41:19 GMT
I reckon that our batsmen are equally as good as theirs. My worry is that in Aussi conditions Starc and Cummins (plus Lyon) will have far more than we do in fire power. Starc will blow away our tail but their tail could get a fair few. Let's hope for the best at the Gabba. Tend to agree with this - although I might have phrased it that our batsmen are equally as mediocre as theirs! It's been a long time since we've had an Ashes with as few established World Class batsmen on either side as are going to be on show this winter. I think our bowlers will take wickets, and I don't expect the Aussies to score massive runs. Definitely not consistently. The key is going to be can our batsmen stand up to the steady diet of high quality bowling they're going to see? If a few of them do, then we've got a chance. A couple of low scores and a defeat at the Gabba and I think it could be a long tour.
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Post by makv on Nov 17, 2017 16:19:51 GMT
Geez. I'm surprised they didn't try and get Haddin back. But it shows why this series will be a hell of a lot closer than some think. Or Gilchrist
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Post by makv on Nov 17, 2017 16:27:51 GMT
Saw an Oz press conference earlier. Smith’s new lid is f*cking hilarious.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 17, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
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Post by foley on Nov 17, 2017 22:44:53 GMT
Mmm interesting. To have any chance, Anderson, Broad and Woakes need to get a number of new ball wickets and really put them under pressure. Unfortunately I can't see us blowing away their tail which could get runs. But... if we get a really good start who knows?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 17, 2017 23:10:16 GMT
Mmm interesting. To have any chance, Anderson, Broad and Woakes need to get a number of new ball wickets and really put them under pressure. Unfortunately I can't see us blowing away their tail which could get runs. But... if we get a really good start who knows? I was surprised to see the Aussies be so negative. They usually talk up the virtues of a corpse to open the batting against England.
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Post by nige01ox on Nov 17, 2017 23:32:52 GMT
Shane Warne reckons the Aussies are in a worse state than us heading into the first test. How great would it be to get Stokes on a plane over there right now just to see their faces when he rocks up.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 18, 2017 14:07:03 GMT
Gotta hope the police investigation gets done soon then. At the moment, looks to be quiet from that point of view
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 20, 2017 13:16:20 GMT
Another day, another load of yapping from the Aussies. They must be worried
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Post by tonyw on Nov 20, 2017 18:58:28 GMT
Another day, another load of yapping from the Aussies. They must be worried Dunno. Glenn McGrath never stopped yapping pre-Ashes and (2005 and well-placed balls on the Edgbaston outfield aside) he never had much to worry about. It's just small dogs and Aussie cricketers - yapping is in their nature.
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Post by Junior on Nov 20, 2017 19:41:13 GMT
I see stokes is becoming a little active on SM..
His Instagram is interesting..
For those without, it shows him having a serious net at Durham..
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 20, 2017 20:34:52 GMT
I see stokes is becoming a little active on SM.. His Instagram is interesting.. For those without, it shows him having a serious net at Durham.. Well he'd better get his arse moving, first test is Thursday night
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Post by foley on Nov 20, 2017 20:49:01 GMT
I see stokes is becoming a little active on SM.. His Instagram is interesting.. For those without, it shows him having a serious net at Durham.. Also Bairstow was saying how great it would be to have him over there. Until now the England players were saying that the assumption was that Stokes would not go over to join the tour. The police are allegedly going to make a decision this week on whether to charge Stokes. From a cricketing perspective I would love Stokes to go over there.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 20, 2017 21:12:01 GMT
Another day, another load of yapping from the Aussies. They must be worried Dunno. Glenn McGrath never stopped yapping pre-Ashes and (2005 and well-placed balls on the Edgbaston outfield aside) he never had much to worry about. It's just small dogs and Aussie cricketers - yapping is in their nature. McGrath, Warne and Waugh are quite different from the current lot. They could back it up and backed it up every game. Who has much respect for this lot?
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Post by foley on Nov 20, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
Dunno. Glenn McGrath never stopped yapping pre-Ashes and (2005 and well-placed balls on the Edgbaston outfield aside) he never had much to worry about. It's just small dogs and Aussie cricketers - yapping is in their nature. McGrath, Warne and Waugh are quite different from the current lot. They could back it up and backed it up every game. Who has much respect for this lot? Really hope that you are not saying this after the current series Gary ....
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 20, 2017 21:51:51 GMT
McGrath, Warne and Waugh are quite different from the current lot. They could back it up and backed it up every game. Who has much respect for this lot? Really hope that you are not saying this after the current series Gary .... I would be very surprised if we lose 5-0 and 4-1 as were doing against that crop of players. One of the best test teams ever, over a long period. Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist to name 6. I hold that team in high regard, like I do the West Indies before them. This lot, gimme a break. Even the Aussies are slagging them off.
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Post by flean on Nov 20, 2017 22:30:41 GMT
Really hope that you are not saying this after the current series Gary .... I would be very surprised if we lose 5-0 and 4-1 as were doing against that crop of players. One of the best test teams ever, over a long period. Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist to name 6. I hold that team in high regard, like I do the West Indies before them. This lot, gimme a break. Even the Aussies are slagging them off. Now sit back and watch Warner get a ton every match and Starc tear through our batting
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Post by foley on Nov 21, 2017 7:54:11 GMT
Really hope that you are not saying this after the current series Gary .... I would be very surprised if we lose 5-0 and 4-1 as were doing against that crop of players. One of the best test teams ever, over a long period. Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist to name 6. I hold that team in high regard, like I do the West Indies before them. This lot, gimme a break. Even the Aussies are slagging them off. Totally agree about the great side. But they beat us 5 0 in 2013/14 and that lot were nowhere near as good as their great side. George Bailey, Ryan Harris, Rogers, Watson were hardly Warne, McGrath, Wuagh, Taylor etc but still beat us 5 0.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 8:20:35 GMT
I would be very surprised if we lose 5-0 and 4-1 as were doing against that crop of players. One of the best test teams ever, over a long period. Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist to name 6. I hold that team in high regard, like I do the West Indies before them. This lot, gimme a break. Even the Aussies are slagging them off. Totally agree about the great side. But they beat us 5 0 in 2013/14 and that lot were nowhere near as good as their great side. George Bailey, Ryan Harris, Rogers, Watson were hardly Warne, McGrath, Wuagh, Taylor etc but still beat us 5 0. The 2013/14 English side was a funny one. Having won the Ashes easily at home a few months earlier, they then couldn't get up for the away series. While not ignoring it, it's not the outlier for now as England were falling apart as a team. Swann stropped off home half way through the series, KP was KP, Trott's issues unfortunately came to a head and the coach wanted out because he was the cause of tensions. The team now have issues, but there is less of the distraction internally. Plus the Aussies are being English in their selection policy. I don't think we'll win easily (or they will), but it will be a close series. Thus, their constant yapping reeks of desperation. The fact Bayliss has coached out there should help and the Root's and Bairstow's of this world won't want to have that 2013/14 experience again. It could be another 3-2 series only because both sides just don't draw tests at the moment. Neither side are really all that
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 8:21:09 GMT
I would be very surprised if we lose 5-0 and 4-1 as were doing against that crop of players. One of the best test teams ever, over a long period. Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist to name 6. I hold that team in high regard, like I do the West Indies before them. This lot, gimme a break. Even the Aussies are slagging them off. Now sit back and watch Warner get a ton every match and Starc tear through our batting The only thing Starc will tear is his own hamstring
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 8:34:02 GMT
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Post by unification on Nov 21, 2017 9:41:24 GMT
Totally agree about the great side. But they beat us 5 0 in 2013/14 and that lot were nowhere near as good as their great side. George Bailey, Ryan Harris, Rogers, Watson were hardly Warne, McGrath, Wuagh, Taylor etc but still beat us 5 0. The 2013/14 English side was a funny one. Having won the Ashes easily at home a few months earlier, they then couldn't get up for the away series. While not ignoring it, it's not the outlier for now as England were falling apart as a team. Swann stropped off home half way through the series, KP was KP, Trott's issues unfortunately came to a head and the coach wanted out because he was the cause of tensions. The team now have issues, but there is less of the distraction internally. Plus the Aussies are being English in their selection policy. I don't think we'll win easily (or they will), but it will be a close series. Thus, their constant yapping reeks of desperation. The fact Bayliss has coached out there should help and the Root's and Bairstow's of this world won't want to have that 2013/14 experience again. It could be another 3-2 series only because both sides just don't draw tests at the moment. Neither side are really all that England started their course to lose the Ashes in 2013-14 by being utterly complacent in the series in England. They’d wrapped things up by the fifth Test and instead of putting their foot on the throat of the Aussies, ended up playing players who wouldn’t tour Down Under – Simon Kerrigan (awful) and Chris Woakes who wasn’t the player that England have today. The recent BBC ‘Pomnishambles’ insight is an interesting one as well. The 2013-14 tour preparation was a disaster after trying to replicate what had worked previously, things were not all as they seemed behind the scenes and then the retirement of Swann, the mental health issues of Trott and the failing of good pros who had helped England in the past ended up in a 5-0 whitewash. England may have been turned over 5-0 in 2006-07 but at least they were losing to McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist etc rather than the side that had meekly surrendered to England just a few months before. Whatever the questions are about England’s quality this time around, I think their prep and approach has been far better. Every day I see a new quote from an Aussie player mouthing off and it’s getting tedious now. Broken record stuff about opening scars and ending careers. I hope England can tune out of all the white noise and be able to jeer at the Aussies for their comments come the end of the series.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 13:14:05 GMT
The 2013/14 English side was a funny one. Having won the Ashes easily at home a few months earlier, they then couldn't get up for the away series. While not ignoring it, it's not the outlier for now as England were falling apart as a team. Swann stropped off home half way through the series, KP was KP, Trott's issues unfortunately came to a head and the coach wanted out because he was the cause of tensions. The team now have issues, but there is less of the distraction internally. Plus the Aussies are being English in their selection policy. I don't think we'll win easily (or they will), but it will be a close series. Thus, their constant yapping reeks of desperation. The fact Bayliss has coached out there should help and the Root's and Bairstow's of this world won't want to have that 2013/14 experience again. It could be another 3-2 series only because both sides just don't draw tests at the moment. Neither side are really all that England started their course to lose the Ashes in 2013-14 by being utterly complacent in the series in England. They’d wrapped things up by the fifth Test and instead of putting their foot on the throat of the Aussies, ended up playing players who wouldn’t tour Down Under – Simon Kerrigan (awful) and Chris Woakes who wasn’t the player that England have today. The recent BBC ‘Pomnishambles’ insight is an interesting one as well. The 2013-14 tour preparation was a disaster after trying to replicate what had worked previously, things were not all as they seemed behind the scenes and then the retirement of Swann, the mental health issues of Trott and the failing of good pros who had helped England in the past ended up in a 5-0 whitewash. England may have been turned over 5-0 in 2006-07 but at least they were losing to McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist etc rather than the side that had meekly surrendered to England just a few months before. Whatever the questions are about England’s quality this time around, I think their prep and approach has been far better. Every day I see a new quote from an Aussie player mouthing off and it’s getting tedious now. Broken record stuff about opening scars and ending careers. I hope England can tune out of all the white noise and be able to jeer at the Aussies for their comments come the end of the series. If I were in the dressing room now, I'd say to them that the Aussies are worried because they are really going OTT with the verbals. None of them wants an Ashes home loss on their career and they aren't sure they can win on an individual basis without these antics. Take it as a compliment to you as individuals and as a team. Agree on the prep. The players have worked hard, kept their mouths largely shut and when they have opened their mouths, it's been very on point. The Aussie press has squat to niggle at the England team about apart from Stokes, who isn't there. No KP or Swann gobbing off. Nothing. Cold and professional like they were in 2010-11.
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