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Post by paulbeasley on Nov 5, 2017 0:10:12 GMT
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Post by dubaiyellow on Nov 5, 2017 5:09:33 GMT
Hard but fair.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 5, 2017 8:49:24 GMT
For the life of me, I’m struggling to fathom, why, when 0-2 down in an FA Cup tie, we did not try something different. Why, with no pace and no real width, did we not stick a couple of extra players up front, go route one and have a right go ?
Your piece stated that “ nothing happened “ and I find that bizarre given the context of the game etc. etc. It was crying out for a plan b surely.
The whole thing looks a shocking episode of mismanagement.
It reads like an abject surrender.
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 5, 2017 8:54:59 GMT
Excellent, if depressing, read Paul. Someone should put it in front of the Chairman, Manager and players for a response. Now that would be interesting!
Who's going to email it?
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Post by cecantena on Nov 5, 2017 10:02:17 GMT
A scathing, but warranted, report. This season is rapidly descending into one of mediocrity - so frustrating.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 5, 2017 10:24:04 GMT
Concerned about Nelson non inclusion. Feels like we're going on another mystery tour, just hope it's not as shit as the last one.
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 5, 2017 10:25:26 GMT
Well said Paul. And agree with Outsidethebox, put this in front of all at OUFC. A shameful display.
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Post by mcf86 on Nov 5, 2017 10:29:11 GMT
Fortunately I was not at Vale park, thank the Lord. Reading Paul's blog has brought it home though, and depressing reading it is, it seems to me there must be something hideously going awry with the off the field business -and this is impacting on the manager and team? I refuse to believe that Pep is solely responsible - but he's the one who will ultimately 'pay' the price if, gawd forbid, the 'performance' at Vale park is a sign of things to come, after all it's his job getting the team selection, formation, tactics and motivation right. But where's DE? Seems he's adopted the bunker mentality. Much more of the Vale horror show and he'll need to don a helmet. There's a quick opportunity to put things right (Ish) with the home match against MKD this Tuesday, pressure's on.
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Post by sox on Nov 5, 2017 11:38:02 GMT
I didn’t go so won’t comment on performance, suffice to say I fell asleep listening to the second half. Some perspective here... I believe we are 4 points better off than we were at this stage last year in the league, and ‘if’ we win next Saturday we will be 7 points better off after the 17 games played mark. Pep came into the club late so options were, somewhat, limited - remember we were planning to get our business done early - we didn’t. If you take the wider view I think we are doing ok... some of the new faces/ gambles aren’t working, others are. We’re inconsistent, which drives a lot of the frustration, if we weren’t we’d be automatic promotion material, we’re not. We are good enough to be sitting tenth in the league and two points out of play-offs. Based on this I don’t think we are going backwards. I know there are those who subscribe to the theory that the club is in trouble if we don’t get to the championship this year, I understand that view but I don’t share it. Finally, I’m still scarred by the conference years, others seem to have short memories. Getting back to the championship - which is punching above our weight - is a marathon not a sprint.
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Post by paulbeasley on Nov 5, 2017 11:52:57 GMT
I didn’t go so won’t comment on performance, suffice to say I fell asleep listening to the second half. Some perspective here... I believe we are 4 points better off than we were at this stage last year in the league, and ‘if’ we win next Saturday we will be 7 points better off after the 17 games played mark. Pep came into the club late so options were, somewhat, limited - remember we were planning to get our business done early - we didn’t. If you take the wider view I think we are doing ok... some of the new faces/ gambles aren’t working, others are. We’re inconsistent, which drives a lot of the frustration, if we weren’t we’d be automatic promotion material, we’re not. We are good enough to be sitting tenth in the league and two points out of play-offs. Based on this I don’t think we are going backwards. I know there are those who subscribe to the theory that the club is in trouble if we don’t get to the championship this year, I understand that view but I don’t share it. Finally, I’m still scarred by the conference years, others seem to have short memories. Getting back to the championship - which is punching above our weight - is a marathon not a sprint. I couldn't agree more - I intend / intended to use this or a similar stat in the next FV after the Northampton game. But Friday was so depressing I didn't think any write up deserved to have such figures included. I'm still angry now and it is Sunday lunch time. I do feel a bit sorry for Pep with all the injuries and as you say coming into the club late on when others were getting their business done but that is in no way an excuse for the way we played. The only positive I could think of was the pre-match beers in the Bulls Head but when all said and done the reason we travel away is for the football with pubs and socialising secondary. That could be done without leaving Oxfordshire.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 5, 2017 11:56:49 GMT
Concerned about Nelson non inclusion. Feels like we're going on another mystery tour, just hope it's not as shit as the last one. Well we got promotion at the beginning of this one so will be difficult to be worse then the last one.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 5, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
Concerned about Nelson non inclusion. Feels like we're going on another mystery tour, just hope it's not as shit as the last one. Well we got promotion at the beginning of this one so will be difficult to be worse then the last one. I was referring to Kassam ownership.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 5, 2017 12:09:45 GMT
Well we got promotion at the beginning of this one so will be difficult to be worse then the last one. I was referring to Kassam ownership. Yeah I know. Like i said we already have a promotion under our current ownership so to now make his ownership worse then Kassams would take some going.
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Post by Jimmy_Ike on Nov 5, 2017 15:23:16 GMT
Fair comment throughout. p*ss-poor performance.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 5, 2017 15:52:12 GMT
I was referring to Kassam ownership. Yeah I know. Like i said we already have a promotion under our current ownership so to now make his ownership worse then Kassams would take some going. I'm referring to the pending new ownership if it happens or should I say when?
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Post by nottsyellow on Nov 5, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
The throw from Eastwood for the first goal, was not quite as stupid as it looked - Henry was running out after Eastwood collected the ball, and for a split second, a quick throw to him appeared to be the right option, but then, without reason, he suddenly changed direction, just as Eastwood released the ball, which meant the ball went straight to the Vale player. Although any player running out should expect to receive a quick ball from the goalie he obviously wasn't looking or expecting it.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 5, 2017 21:58:00 GMT
The throw from Eastwood for the first goal, was not quite as stupid as it looked - Henry was running out after Eastwood collected the ball, and for a split second, a quick throw to him appeared to be the right option, but then, without reason, he suddenly changed direction, just as Eastwood released the ball, which meant the ball went straight to the Vale player. Although any player running out should expect to receive a quick ball from the goalie he obviously wasn't looking or expecting it. Did you get there? I left my office a bit later than I intended (4:30) and my Sat Nav directed me across country and round East Midlands Airport and through Castle Donnington. Absolute nightmare, and I spent two and a half hours getting nowhere and returned home at seven o'clock! A straightforward one hour journey usually! Seems as though I may have had a lucky escape though.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 5, 2017 22:11:56 GMT
The throw from Eastwood for the first goal, was not quite as stupid as it looked - Henry was running out after Eastwood collected the ball, and for a split second, a quick throw to him appeared to be the right option, but then, without reason, he suddenly changed direction, just as Eastwood released the ball, which meant the ball went straight to the Vale player. Although any player running out should expect to receive a quick ball from the goalie he obviously wasn't looking or expecting it. It was Mowatt who ran away from the ball. It was an odd run to make when he changed his run after Eastwood had thrown the ball.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 5, 2017 22:13:05 GMT
Yeah I know. Like i said we already have a promotion under our current ownership so to now make his ownership worse then Kassams would take some going. I'm referring to the pending new ownership if it happens or should I say when? Eales won’t sell up completely so technically we might not have a new owner.
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Post by paulbeasley on Nov 5, 2017 22:19:21 GMT
The throw from Eastwood for the first goal, was not quite as stupid as it looked - Henry was running out after Eastwood collected the ball, and for a split second, a quick throw to him appeared to be the right option, but then, without reason, he suddenly changed direction, just as Eastwood released the ball, which meant the ball went straight to the Vale player. Although any player running out should expect to receive a quick ball from the goalie he obviously wasn't looking or expecting it. It was Mowatt who ran away from the ball. It was an odd run to make when he changed his run after Eastwood had thrown the ball. I think someone said it was Henry on the night. I have not seen a replay. Regarding it not being Eastwood's fault - others have said that too. Whilst I hate aimless hoof ball it would help our cause if we had a bit more physical presence up front in games like this. Would be able to get the ball away further on occasions instead of trying to play pretty stuff going nowhere in areas where if we cock up we'll likely get punished. Also it would show that we were willing to battle too. Which sadly we weren't.
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Post by nottsyellow on Nov 5, 2017 22:23:39 GMT
The throw from Eastwood for the first goal, was not quite as stupid as it looked - Henry was running out after Eastwood collected the ball, and for a split second, a quick throw to him appeared to be the right option, but then, without reason, he suddenly changed direction, just as Eastwood released the ball, which meant the ball went straight to the Vale player. Although any player running out should expect to receive a quick ball from the goalie he obviously wasn't looking or expecting it. Did you get there? I left my office a bit later than I intended (4:30) and my Sat Nav directed me across country and round East Midlands Airport and through Castle Donnington. Absolute nightmare, and I spent two and a half hours getting nowhere and returned home at seven o'clock! A straightforward one hour journey usually! Seems as though I may have had a lucky escape though. I left an hour earlier from North Notts, using my AA Road Atlas, I went south on M1 from jn 26, down to jn 24 then across the A50 to Stoke City ground then up the A500. About 1 hour 40 mins.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 5, 2017 22:25:33 GMT
It was Mowatt who ran away from the ball. It was an odd run to make when he changed his run after Eastwood had thrown the ball. I think someone said it was Henry on the night. I have not seen a replay. Regarding it not being Eastwood's fault - others have said that too. Whilst I hate aimless hoof ball it would help our cause if we had a bit more physical presence up front in games like this. Would be able to get the ball away further on occasions instead of trying to play pretty stuff going nowhere in areas where if we cock up we'll likely get punished. Also it would show that we were willing to battle too. Which sadly we weren't. Interestingly at the start of the season we were just clearing it from Eastwood but in recent weeks he has been playing out from the back more and more.
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Post by paulbeasley on Nov 6, 2017 0:00:45 GMT
I think someone said it was Henry on the night. I have not seen a replay. Regarding it not being Eastwood's fault - others have said that too. Whilst I hate aimless hoof ball it would help our cause if we had a bit more physical presence up front in games like this. Would be able to get the ball away further on occasions instead of trying to play pretty stuff going nowhere in areas where if we cock up we'll likely get punished. Also it would show that we were willing to battle too. Which sadly we weren't. Interestingly at the start of the season we were just clearing it from Eastwood but in recent weeks he has been playing out from the back more and more. Can't win I suppose as we didn't get anywhere playing it short and don't have the players to win the ball, or at least make a nuisance of themselves, playing it long.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 6, 2017 7:54:47 GMT
Did you get there? I left my office a bit later than I intended (4:30) and my Sat Nav directed me across country and round East Midlands Airport and through Castle Donnington. Absolute nightmare, and I spent two and a half hours getting nowhere and returned home at seven o'clock! A straightforward one hour journey usually! Seems as though I may have had a lucky escape though. I left an hour earlier from North Notts, using my AA Road Atlas, I went south on M1 from jn 26, down to jn 24 then across the A50 to Stoke City ground then up the A500. About 1 hour 40 mins. That was my plan, to leave an hour earlier than I did. I just could not get to the A50 as the whole area leading to it was gridlocked. I turned around at about half past six and it still took me another 30 minutes to get home! Wrong place at the wrong time I guess. I often go across on the A50 and find it a good fast route usually. I was so frustrated that I nearly went to watch Forest on Saturday, but I came to my senses eventually!
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Post by arthurturner on Nov 6, 2017 10:31:36 GMT
There appears to have been no explanation from the club as to why Curtis Nelson was not even on the bench on Friday. Silence suggests to me that the club didn’t want him cup tied so as to increase his value for a sale in January. I’d like the club to say that isn’t so.
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Post by victor1986 on Nov 6, 2017 13:39:00 GMT
There appears to have been no explanation from the club as to why Curtis Nelson was not even on the bench on Friday. Silence suggests to me that the club didn’t want him cup tied so as to increase his value for a sale in January. I’d like the club to say that isn’t so. Yes, such a statement could be made & then we still sell him! Why "rest" our captain for such a match? Curtis is obviously being lined up for business in January & there's not a damn thing any of us can do about it. Despite playing some attractive stuff (sometimes!) I am still 'jury out' on Mr Clotet - I would have liked him to come onto RadOx on Friday & say it as it was instead of the soppy way he came across. "Man Up" Pep otherwise things are going to get difficult for you.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Nov 6, 2017 19:52:13 GMT
I do admire your resilience, Paul. Home and away trekking around the land regularly to watch United can't be cheap. And the other 600+ too, either braving Friday night traffic on ridiculously congested roads or paying over priced rail fares to see such a dismal effort from the team. I've seen us lose at places like Newcastle and Middlesbrough but still enjoyed the experience when the players put in an honest shift. The journey home must have felt quite depressing. The only consolation, I suppose, is that it wasn't the live match on television as too many past humiliations were.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 6, 2017 20:17:36 GMT
RE Nelson.
The days of someone being cuptied having an effect on a transfer fee have gone unless we are talking champions league standard and being ineligeable.
Does anyone think a middlesbourough, Leeds, or being optimistic Swansea/low end premiership team care if they couldn't play their new league one signing in the FA Cup?
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Post by eraser on Nov 6, 2017 20:33:08 GMT
RE Nelson. The days of someone being cuptied having an effect on a transfer fee have gone unless we are talking champions league standard and being ineligeable. Does anyone think a middlesbourough, Leeds, or being optimistic Swansea/low end premiership team care if they couldn't play their new league one signing in the FA Cup? It could be that an offer has been tabled which includes a clause that he mustn't be cup tied until the bidder is knocked out - eg Wigan. OR Pep just completely gaffed and left him at home as he felt he could beat a relegation threatened L2 team without him.....
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 6, 2017 20:57:13 GMT
RE Nelson. The days of someone being cuptied having an effect on a transfer fee have gone unless we are talking champions league standard and being ineligeable. Does anyone think a middlesbourough, Leeds, or being optimistic Swansea/low end premiership team care if they couldn't play their new league one signing in the FA Cup? It could be that an offer has been tabled which includes a clause that he mustn't be cup tied until the bidder is knocked out - eg Wigan. OR Pep just completely gaffed and left him at home as he felt he could beat a relegation threatened L2 team without him..... I mean that's possible if a little far fetched. Oxford mail chat today on Twitter they asked pep and felt he needed a game off and will be back tomorrow night. In all fairness Pep should be entitled to assume williamson would of come in and been adequate cover. We didn't lose because Nelson didn't play, we lost because we played crap. That's football.
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