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Post by oldham on Nov 5, 2017 21:28:18 GMT
The greatest tribute to those caught up in The Great War and subsequent WWII is to shun nationalism and to develop more connections and friendships with people from all over the world - whatever their skin colour or religion. But not scumdon fans š
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 5, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
What about white poppies? In recent years I have felt like wearing a white poppy would better represent my views, but Iām not sure itās worth the hassle i would inevitably receive from family members, colleagues, etc. Also, I sometimes wonder if wearing a white poppy is another step towards making even more of an issue out of something that really shouldnāt be one at all.
Speaking as someone in their early 20s, I must admit to growing up seeing the poppy as a political symbol. In the last ten years groups such as the EDL and Britain First use it - alongside St Georgeās cross - on most of their nationalist and anti-Islamic posts. Therefore despite wanting to wear a poppy for what I see as the right reasons (remembering those who served in WWI and WWII), Iām just not sure I can bring myself to do it anymore.
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 6, 2017 8:05:49 GMT
What about white poppies? In recent years I have felt like wearing a white poppy would better represent my views, but Iām not sure itās worth the hassle i would inevitably receive from family members, colleagues, etc. Also, I sometimes wonder if wearing a white poppy is another step towards making even more of an issue out of something that really shouldnāt be one at all. Speaking as someone in their early 20s, I must admit to growing up seeing the poppy as a political symbol. In the last ten years groups such as the EDL and Britain First use it - alongside St Georgeās cross - on most of their nationalist and anti-Islamic posts. Therefore despite wanting to wear a poppy for what I see as the right reasons (remembering those who served in WWI and WWII), Iām just not sure I can bring myself to do it anymore. The red poppy commemorates all who fell, I notice you do not mention the likes of the communist party who wear the white poppy? I think people trying to link certain groups to the the red poppy are just trying to use this as an excuse to not wear one! If you don't wear a poppy you can still make a donation. It red for a reason and people need to understand that.
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 6, 2017 8:30:07 GMT
What about white poppies? In recent years I have felt like wearing a white poppy would better represent my views, but Iām not sure itās worth the hassle i would inevitably receive from family members, colleagues, etc. Also, I sometimes wonder if wearing a white poppy is another step towards making even more of an issue out of something that really shouldnāt be one at all. Speaking as someone in their early 20s, I must admit to growing up seeing the poppy as a political symbol. In the last ten years groups such as the EDL and Britain First use it - alongside St Georgeās cross - on most of their nationalist and anti-Islamic posts. Therefore despite wanting to wear a poppy for what I see as the right reasons (remembering those who served in WWI and WWII), Iām just not sure I can bring myself to do it anymore. The red poppy commemorates all who fell, I notice you do not mention the likes of the communist party who wear the white poppy? I think people trying to link certain groups to the the red poppy are just trying to use this as an excuse to not wear one! If you don't wear a poppy you can still make a donation. It red for a reason and people need to understand that. Itās hard not to link the poppy with certain groups. As long as Iāve been old enough to understand what it is really meant to represent, Iāve also known it to be used relentlessly by the groups I mentioned previously in order to push their own agendas. Itās hard to separate the two unfortunately, as much as Iād like to be able to.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 6, 2017 8:41:23 GMT
Perhaps wearing a red poppy then would do more than wearing a white one? It would then redefine it as a choice for all which for people my age it always has been, not the idiots like the EDL. Avoiding a red poppy legitimises their silly and out of date views IMHO
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 6, 2017 8:42:53 GMT
The red poppy commemorates all who fell, I notice you do not mention the likes of the communist party who wear the white poppy? I think people trying to link certain groups to the the red poppy are just trying to use this as an excuse to not wear one! If you don't wear a poppy you can still make a donation. It red for a reason and people need to understand that. Itās hard not to link the poppy with certain groups. As long as Iāve been old enough to understand what it is really meant to represent, Iāve also known it to be used relentlessly by the groups I mentioned previously in order to push their own agendas. Itās hard to separate the two unfortunately, as much as Iād like to be able to. Sorry but I only associate the poppy with our fallen, I have looked at the Britain First sites and cannot see any overuse of the poppy. I hope you will still make a donation even if you don't wear one and also hope you go along to your local war memorial next Sunday to pay your respects?
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 6, 2017 11:53:06 GMT
Itās hard not to link the poppy with certain groups. As long as Iāve been old enough to understand what it is really meant to represent, Iāve also known it to be used relentlessly by the groups I mentioned previously in order to push their own agendas. Itās hard to separate the two unfortunately, as much as Iād like to be able to. Sorry but I only associate the poppy with our fallen, I have looked at the Britain First sites and cannot see any overuse of the poppy. I hope you will still make a donation even if you don't wear one and also hope you go along to your local war memorial next Sunday to pay your respects? Not sure how hard you looked but I just went on their Facebook page and there has been 5 posts around the issue of the poppy since last Monday. Iām not sure how I will approach the issue but just know I will gladly tell anyone that cares to listen how much I appreciate the effort of those that defended our freedoms in WWI AND WWII.
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Post by mojofilter on Nov 6, 2017 19:35:07 GMT
The greatest tribute to those caught up in The Great War and subsequent WWII is to shun nationalism and to develop more connections and friendships with people from all over the world - whatever their skin colour or religion. But not scumdon fans š he said "people"
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Post by Boogaloo on Nov 9, 2017 12:58:26 GMT
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Post by unification on Nov 9, 2017 13:25:55 GMT
Once again, the money raised for the Poppy Appeal goes to the Royal British Legion. No manner of explaining the symbolism of the poppy escapes that fact. You buy one of their poppies, you're giving to them. If you don't have a positive or at best neutral opinion of the British armed forces, I could full understand why you wouldn't want to wear one or buy one to fund a charity that supports them.
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Post by sihath on Nov 9, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
I wasn't born when WW1 and WW2 happened. But I'll be wearing a poppy to remember members of my family that served and died in those conflicts. When you were born shouldn't have any impact on whether or not you choose to wear a poppy. I always wear a poppy and I go most years the the local remembrance service, but I have no problem with McClean not wearing a poppy. It's his choice. He's free to make that choice, and if we're going to force people to wear a poppy then where will that end. Start removing people's freedoms and it's a slippery slope towards the kind of regime that we fought in WW2. Poppies on football shirts only started a few years ago. Where was the outrage before then?
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 9, 2017 17:43:36 GMT
I wear a poppy and go to the parade in Oxford, but I did before all the fake outrage about people not wearing them started, it's up to the individual what they do and forcing people to wear them if it's something they don't agree with, believe in or are just not bothered about is wrong.
It's not the Middle Ages, people don't have to go church and pretend to be a religion/religious denomination they are not under the threat of being burnt to death, so let's not try and replace that with new cults where people get ostracised for not following along.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 9, 2017 18:35:30 GMT
Everybody from Nigel Farage and Teresa May to Nick Clegg and Jeremy Corybn will be wearing a poppy on the 11th. All presenters on all television channels. The Royal Family. Service men and women of all leanings, Company CEOs, footballers, lawyers cleaners and the homeless. Regardless of political stance. To claim that you avoid it because it has become a 'political symbol' is ridiculous. Because it has not.
It doesn't bother me if people choose not to wear one - I doubt I will (haven't walked past a seller yet) - but to refrain from wearing one on the basis that you think it's an BNP symbol, or to change the colour so you can, in some ironic twist of fate, make your own little political stand on the day, is just embarrassing.
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 9, 2017 20:38:01 GMT
Check out some of his twitter posts, he is a provo supporter. Of course his hatred of the British does not include the British pound!!
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Post by oldham on Nov 9, 2017 20:52:44 GMT
Coming from where he does he will never wear one. He was bought up to hate the British. Everyone has their views on everything. There are plenty of people from all walks of life who have earned a fortune here but canāt stand the Brits.
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 9, 2017 23:18:56 GMT
Everybody from Nigel Farage and Teresa May to Nick Clegg and Jeremy Corybn will be wearing a poppy on the 11th. All presenters on all television channels. The Royal Family. Service men and women of all leanings, Company CEOs, footballers, lawyers cleaners and the homeless. Regardless of political stance. To claim that you avoid it because it has become a 'political symbol' is ridiculous. Because it has not. It doesn't bother me if people choose not to wear one - I doubt I will (haven't walked past a seller yet) - but to refrain from wearing one on the basis that you think it's an BNP symbol, or to change the colour so you can, in some ironic twist of fate, make your own little political stand on the day, is just embarrassing. Yeah fair enough. Some good points.
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Post by makv on Nov 10, 2017 1:28:11 GMT
Everybody from Nigel Farage and Teresa May to Nick Clegg and Jeremy Corybn will be wearing a poppy on the 11th. All presenters on all television channels. The Royal Family. Service men and women of all leanings, Company CEOs, footballers, lawyers cleaners and the homeless. Regardless of political stance. To claim that you avoid it because it has become a 'political symbol' is ridiculous. Because it has not. It doesn't bother me if people choose not to wear one - I doubt I will (haven't walked past a seller yet) - but to refrain from wearing one on the basis that you think it's an BNP symbol, or to change the colour so you can, in some ironic twist of fate, make your own little political stand on the day, is just embarrassing. Yeah fair enough. Some good points. Hmmm. And if a TV news presenter were seen to be not wearing one - Iām certain that would be interpreted as them trying to make a point.
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Post by scotters on Nov 10, 2017 11:04:34 GMT
I haven't noticed very many around here, I'm not sure it's a symbol that means much personally to the man on the street these days, it's more of an abstract idea.
Politicians, media, sports clubs and those in the public eye have to wear them because they're at risk from the bob-a-mob press. And it's a useful badge for the virtue-signalling extreme right.
I used to wear one but can't really be bothered nowadays.
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 10, 2017 11:32:04 GMT
I haven't noticed very many around here, I'm not sure it's a symbol that means much personally to the man on the street these days, it's more of an abstract idea. Politicians, media, sports clubs and those in the public eye have to wear them because they're at risk from the bob-a-mob press. And it's a useful badge for the virtue-signalling extreme right. I used to wear one but can't really be bothered nowadays. Good job those who died fighting for our freedoms could be bothered then...
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