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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 19, 2017 17:58:24 GMT
I admire your efforts to be even-handed, but, assuming Myles' research is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt it), what happened when DE / MA came in are irrelevant to the latest circumstance. The issue is not potential asset-stripping, for obvious reasons. The issue is what does Tiger want with OUFC, if he is indeed considering a bid? We are at best a potential Championship / League One yoyo club. We do not own our stadium and have limited income streams. With an eye on potential libel action, I'm not suggesting we could be seen as a laundry, but it's possible and it should at least concern us. This is worth discussing openly and frankly, is it not? Definitely, but it’s also not worth jumping to the worse case conclusion, without any evidence. If what Myles states in his OP isn't evidence then I'm a f*cking banana. It warrants discussion. As does the exit plan of the man who buys the hot dogs and loves this club more than his mother.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 19, 2017 18:01:34 GMT
Definitely, but it’s also not worth jumping to the worse case conclusion, without any evidence. If what Myles states in his OP isn't evidence then I'm a f*cking banana. It warrants discussion. As does the exit plan of the man who buys the hot dogs and loves this club more than his mother. Not what I meant Paul, obviously it’s evidence. What I meant was there is no evidence that any of the other people mentioned would even be involved.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 19, 2017 18:06:16 GMT
Shame Williamuir got banned, Id like to know what odds he’d give on a rival team methven bid being launched any day under the backing of Juan.
Like I say not saying it’s not worth considering or worrying about, just feel it’s way to dejavu.
Discredit the opposition Cause panic and worry about clubs future Launch own dream ticket bid
Ps I’d love a js takeover if it did happen 😉
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Post by grenobleroad on Oct 19, 2017 18:15:17 GMT
Not being funny but how many potential owners are there out there who will come in with loads of money without the intention of making something back?
These multi millionaires don't make fortunes by making loads of friends along the way.
It's the compromise we are looking for.
Will there money get us up the league's? Will it get us a new stadium? Can we get those things before they sell to the next one?
I'm not sure what people expect. A oxford supporting owner who will buy us a stadium and not charge us rent. Then get us to the top without running at debt.
We have to be realistic.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 19, 2017 18:22:58 GMT
Not being funny but how many potential owners are there out there who will come in with loads of money without the intention of making something back? These multi millionaires don't make fortunes by making loads of friends along the way. It's the compromise we are looking for. Will there money get us up the league's? Will it get us a new stadium? Can we get those things before they sell to the next one? I'm not sure what people expect. A oxford supporting owner who will buy us a stadium and not charge us rent. Then get us to the top without running at debt. We have to be realistic. But you've ignored the main concern that Myles has raised and has concerned others on here. What, exactly, would make 'Tiger' do what he's done at Reading then move onto OUFC? Tiger's background is worrying. No-one's naive enough to think the perfect owner is out there, i.e. an altruistic, Oxford-supporting billionaire, but that doesn't mean Tiger's motives shouldn't be of concern.
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Post by grenobleroad on Oct 19, 2017 18:33:04 GMT
Not being funny but how many potential owners are there out there who will come in with loads of money without the intention of making something back? These multi millionaires don't make fortunes by making loads of friends along the way. It's the compromise we are looking for. Will there money get us up the league's? Will it get us a new stadium? Can we get those things before they sell to the next one? I'm not sure what people expect. A oxford supporting owner who will buy us a stadium and not charge us rent. Then get us to the top without running at debt. We have to be realistic. But you've ignored the main concern that Myles has raised and has concerned others on here. What, exactly, would make 'Tiger' do what he's done at Reading then move onto OUFC? Tiger's background is worrying. No-one's naive enough to think the perfect owner is out there, i.e. an altruistic, Oxford-supporting billionaire, but that doesn't mean Tiger's motives shouldn't be of concern. I agree that his background in club ownership is poor, i have a reading supporting work colleague who has filled me in. Nothing with his involvement at reading brings great confidence. However I have to ask what damage can he do to us because what do we have to strip? If I'm reaching then he could be involved in buying the stadium or a stadium and charge us silly rent, which is where we are now. I assume he would be interested in the land we sit on, but buying/investing in us won't help him there. When i talk about compromise to our cause I mean he would have to invest in us to put us in any sort of position to make any money. I am very happy with our current owner, he has invested money into us and I'm sure when he comes to sell will make some money. He will leave us in a better position in the league ladder then when he arrived. When I looked at Eales history I wasn't overwhelmed with confidence but he has done well here. I'm not particularly bothered about this rumour at the moment as that's all it is. When there is a bit more substance to it I will have to take another look.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 19, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
But you've ignored the main concern that Myles has raised and has concerned others on here. What, exactly, would make 'Tiger' do what he's done at Reading then move onto OUFC? Tiger's background is worrying. No-one's naive enough to think the perfect owner is out there, i.e. an altruistic, Oxford-supporting billionaire, but that doesn't mean Tiger's motives shouldn't be of concern. I agree that his background in club ownership is poor, i have a reading supporting work colleague who has filled me in. Nothing with his involvement at reading brings great confidence. However I have to ask what damage can he do to us because what do we have to strip? If I'm reaching then he could be involved in buying the stadium or a stadium and charge us silly rent, which is where we are now. I assume he would be interested in the land we sit on, but buying/investing in us won't help him there. When i talk about compromise to our cause I mean he would have to invest in us to put us in any sort of position to make any money. I am very happy with our current owner, he has invested money into us and I'm sure when he comes to sell will make some money. He will leave us in a better position in the league ladder then when he arrived. When I looked at Eales history I wasn't overwhelmed with confidence but he has done well here. I'm not particularly bothered about this rumour at the moment as that's all it is. When there is a bit more substance to it I will have to take another look. Yes, let's wait and see. It's the alleged possibility of Tiger and his mates using OUFC to l****** funds that concerns me.
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Post by mg on Oct 19, 2017 18:49:08 GMT
Myles's research is interesting and thorough per se...I don't think second-guessing motives adds much value but even if it were part of some dastardly plot, it wouldn't negate this information. What Myles's research indicates very strongly is that this man and his friends are not 'fit and proper' people to be involved in the ownership of a League 1 club. It is worth being alerted to that because I think if this were to happen then we fans could make quite strong representations to the Football League on the basis of Myles's research inter alia.
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Post by MJB on Oct 19, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
In which case with regards to the ground I can't see the worry about asset stripping considering we have very few assets. I take your point about timing with regards to the amount of research but the question still stands as to why the need to post this much research on Tiger but the same wasn't done on JS? Forget the asset-stripping at Reading. It’s a red herring. More concerning is the possibility of a ‘laundry business’ being acted out through OUFC. At least we might see more clean sheets.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Oct 19, 2017 19:37:55 GMT
I gave up after the first paragraph but picking up from the various comments, I personally think if there was the slightest aspect of asset stripping I think DE would pick it up...........also what assets?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 19, 2017 19:45:29 GMT
I gave up after the first paragraph but picking up from the various comments, I personally think if there was the slightest aspect of asset stripping I think DE would pick it up...........also what assets? Should have read further than the first paragraph, Baz. And read the other posts too. Asset-stripping is not the concern.
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Post by upthecowboys on Oct 19, 2017 20:12:04 GMT
Isn’t this pretty much the same scaremongering that was spouted about Darryl and Ashton before their take over? No such deep analysis of Juan sartori ? Why’s that, cleaner than clean or just promising a spot on the board of directors. Totally cynical view of course Would u say tigers are orange with black stripes or black with orange stripes Possibly because on the surface there seemed to be less 'Red warning' signings with the JS bid. We know that JS's father in law was the president of AS Monaco. A club that has a model in place of buying young players, developing them and selling them on for profit. That sound familiar? A perfectly sensible strategy that has already helped us get promoted once already. So it wouldn't have been that far fetched to think that JS would have tried to do something similar here. I'm not aware of any connections to JS that have had as chequered a past in terms of their involvement with football clubs compared to Tiger and his associates. You only have to ask any sensible Reading fan for their views on Tiger and co. Now I haven't done too much research on JS background ( just the usual quick google searches) but if anyone knows of any involvement JS or his associates have had with other clubs that would cause us concern then do share. JS knows Stewart Donald, that gives me further confidence. I'm not saying JS would have been the perfect owner, but at the moment if I had the choice then I'd feel more comfortable with JS being involved in OUFC than Tiger & Co. Fair play to Myles for the research he has put in to his original post. He has chosen to look further in to the background of Tiger & Co, no reason why anyone else couldn't do the same in relation to JS.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 19, 2017 20:21:53 GMT
Isn’t this pretty much the same scaremongering that was spouted about Darryl and Ashton before their take over? No such deep analysis of Juan sartori ? Why’s that, cleaner than clean or just promising a spot on the board of directors. Totally cynical view of course Would u say tigers are orange with black stripes or black with orange stripes Possibly because on the surface there seemed to be less 'Red warning' signings with the JS bid. We know that JS's father in law was the president of AS Monaco. A club that has a model in place of buying young players, developing them and selling them on for profit. That sound familiar? A perfectly sensible strategy that has already helped us get promoted once already. So it wouldn't have been that far fetched to think that JS would have tried to do something similar here. I'm not aware of any connections to JS that have had as chequered a past in terms of their involvement with football clubs compared to Tiger and his associates. You only have to ask any sensible Reading fan for their views on Tiger and co. Now I haven't done too much research on JS background ( just the usual quick google searches) but if anyone knows of any involvement JS or his associates have had with other clubs that would cause us concern then do share. JS knows Stewart Donald, that gives me further confidence. I'm not saying JS would have been the perfect owner, but at the moment if I had the choice then I'd feel more comfortable with JS being involved in OUFC than Tiger & Co. Fair play to Myles for the research he has put in to his original post. He has chosen to look further in to the background of Tiger & Co, no reason why anyone else couldn't do the same in relation to JS. Totally agree. Yet still we don’t know who the “co” is. As far as I’m aware the only person to mention carabao is oxbible. So while it’s always good to dig a little deeper, would u not say it better to wait and find out who is “actually” involved, before making some worse case scenario guesses. All we have so far is a bloke who was involved with reading. Let’s not forget some people did question js motives and they were defended pretty heavily by his pr advisor. It’s the unknown ,default panic mode of take overs. De was an asset stripping venture capitalist. Js was going to turn us into a Monaco feeder/ b team. Tiger, is going to use us a some form of triad money laundering business. As with the de takeover, I tend to find it better to listen to all sides, trust that the person selling will have the best interests of the club (and his money) if they stays involved at heart as il did and de would hopefully do. It didn’t turn out so bad did it
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Post by londonroader on Oct 19, 2017 20:29:28 GMT
Quite possibly , but these red flags were also “flagged up” about Darryl and mark Ashton. As people who were here to asset strip, and mark Ashton as a person who had ruined Watford. I admire your efforts to be even-handed, but, assuming Myles' research is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt it), what happened when DE / MA came in are irrelevant to the latest circumstance. The issue is not potential asset-stripping, for obvious reasons. The issue is what does Tiger want with OUFC, if he is indeed considering a bid? We are at best a potential Championship / League One yoyo club. We do not own our stadium and have limited income streams. With an eye on potential libel action, I'm not suggesting we could be seen as a laundry, but it's possible and it should at least concern us. This is worth discussing openly and frankly, is it not? Not worth discussing IF myles has got his wires crossed...
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Post by yellowbow on Oct 19, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
Possibly because on the surface there seemed to be less 'Red warning' signings with the JS bid. We know that JS's father in law was the president of AS Monaco. A club that has a model in place of buying young players, developing them and selling them on for profit. That sound familiar? A perfectly sensible strategy that has already helped us get promoted once already. So it wouldn't have been that far fetched to think that JS would have tried to do something similar here. I'm not aware of any connections to JS that have had as chequered a past in terms of their involvement with football clubs compared to Tiger and his associates. You only have to ask any sensible Reading fan for their views on Tiger and co. Now I haven't done too much research on JS background ( just the usual quick google searches) but if anyone knows of any involvement JS or his associates have had with other clubs that would cause us concern then do share. JS knows Stewart Donald, that gives me further confidence. I'm not saying JS would have been the perfect owner, but at the moment if I had the choice then I'd feel more comfortable with JS being involved in OUFC than Tiger & Co. Fair play to Myles for the research he has put in to his original post. He has chosen to look further in to the background of Tiger & Co, no reason why anyone else couldn't do the same in relation to JS. Totally agree. Yet still we don’t know who the “co” is. As far as I’m aware the only person to mention carabao is oxbible. So while it’s always good to dig a little deeper, would u not say it better to wait and find out who is “actually” involved, before making some worse case scenario guesses. All we have so far is a bloke who was involved with reading. Let’s not forget some people did question js motives and they were defended pretty heavily by his pr advisor. It’s the unknown ,default panic mode of take overs. De was an asset stripping venture capitalist. Js was going to turn us into a Monaco feeder/ b team. Tiger, is going to use us a some form of triad money laundering business. As with the de takeover, I tend to find it better to listen to all sides, trust that the person selling will have the best interests of the club (and his money) if they stays involved at heart as il did and de would hopefully do. It didn’t turn out so bad did it To be fair all we have at the moment is that this guy Tiger has been seen at a couple of games. I’m not naive enough to think that there’s nothing in this but it’s still more than likely a million miles away from being a done deal. For all we know DE might already have told them no deal after a few discussions. I’d like to think that after the amount of time and effort he’s invested into this football club Eales would care enough not to sell us to someone who’s going to destroy what he’s built, that’s if he really has any real intentions to sell at all.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 19, 2017 20:33:50 GMT
I admire your efforts to be even-handed, but, assuming Myles' research is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt it), what happened when DE / MA came in are irrelevant to the latest circumstance. The issue is not potential asset-stripping, for obvious reasons. The issue is what does Tiger want with OUFC, if he is indeed considering a bid? We are at best a potential Championship / League One yoyo club. We do not own our stadium and have limited income streams. With an eye on potential libel action, I'm not suggesting we could be seen as a laundry, but it's possible and it should at least concern us. This is worth discussing openly and frankly, is it not? Not worth discussing IF myles has got his wires crossed... Well, yes. This whole discussion hinges on Myles’ research being accurate. My gut feel is that it is. I dare say Myles will add more soon.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 19, 2017 20:39:55 GMT
Not worth discussing IF myles has got his wires crossed... Well, yes. This whole discussion hinges on Myles’ research being accurate. My gut feel is that it is. I dare say Myles will add more soon. Will he! They expect everyone to be waiting on the next episode of their guess work.
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Post by eighteen93 on Oct 19, 2017 20:40:02 GMT
“ All we have so far is a bloke who was involved with Reading “
It’s not that he was involved in Reading FC per se - it’s what his motives were and what actually happened during that brief tenure that should set alarm bells ringing.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 19, 2017 21:14:02 GMT
I’d like to know what the motivation was behind the original post.
Can I ask you a question? Do you think Daryl Eales has done a good job Myles ?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Oct 19, 2017 21:34:04 GMT
I gave up after the first paragraph but picking up from the various comments, I personally think if there was the slightest aspect of asset stripping I think DE would pick it up...........also what assets? Should have read further than the first paragraph, Baz. And read the other posts too. Asset-stripping is not the concern. Sorry mate I was just reading other posters as there comments were reasonabley shorter. The only thing I heard bout potential buyers of Reading were people pulling out of a takeover as Reading weren’t sustainable. Ps this brexit negotiation is becoming a joke
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 19, 2017 21:54:36 GMT
Should have read further than the first paragraph, Baz. And read the other posts too. Asset-stripping is not the concern. Sorry mate I was just reading other posters as there comments were reasonabley shorter. The only thing I heard bout potential buyers of Reading were people pulling out of a takeover as Reading weren’t sustainable. Ps this brexit negotiation is becoming a joke That’s for another thread Baz! But yes, looking like a ‘no deal’ Brexit.
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Post by tatabanya on Oct 19, 2017 22:14:39 GMT
Trying to understand the intention of any prospective owner is clearly of paramount importance, irrespective of any previous actions or allegiance.
Also, the fact that doubt was cast over DE's takeover does not, in any way, mean that each new prospective owner should not be met with scrutiny first.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 20, 2017 7:47:59 GMT
The difference between DE and Tiger, football wise, is that one wasn't a known quantity and one is.
I do struggle to see what Tiger will get out of OUFC other than owning a club again.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 20, 2017 8:16:23 GMT
Trying to understand the intention of any prospective owner is clearly of paramount importance, irrespective of any previous actions or allegiance. Also, the fact that doubt was cast over DE's takeover does not, in any way, mean that each new prospective owner should not be met with scrutiny first. Totally agree. From my point of view, after realising that nearly all of my questioning of Darryl recently came from info put on here by the same 3 people. And then the same 3 people were also very questioning of the take over before it even happened. I’m a little less likely to believe everything they say without considering both sides, and wondering if it’s just another part of the big game being played out If people trust Darryl and think he has the best interests of the club at heart, then would he sell to people with questionable motives ? Or is it more scaremongering again to try and turn fans towards a different option. I would be worried if some of the people mentioned did become involved, but so far other than tiger, the others mentioned are pure speculation as to them being people he may know or might be interested in backing him. Even his involvement is based purely on being seen at a few games. My point is the opening post is a worst case speculative scenario. Unless of course there is some evidence , of which I was continuously asked for when repeating info from the same people
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Post by bigronaldo on Oct 20, 2017 8:22:24 GMT
We should all be concerned about these people. Their business dealings are as murky as mr cannells consommé. And just who are the real money men behind it all? There are many worrying traits within this carabao shite that make me uneasy.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 20, 2017 8:26:28 GMT
We should all be concerned about these people. Their business dealings are as murky as mr cannells consommé. And just who are the real money men behind it all? There are many worrying traits within this carabao shite that make me uneasy. Precisely. And that's all people are saying. Tiger's background combined with his associates SHOULD make us feel uneasy, and we shouldn't be apologetic for feeling uneasy. This is our club (yes, it is) and there's something seriously wrong if we can't discuss it on our own forum. Maybe Mr Eales will uncover nothing untoward in his due diligence searches. Maybe Tiger will turn out to be a positive force in OUFC's development. Maybe. Or maybe there will be no bid and Mr Eales will continue as chairman. Whichever way it goes, I can't see why we shouldn't talk about it just because some seem to consider it to be harmful to OUFC, or even disloyal.
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Post by perryman on Oct 20, 2017 8:40:25 GMT
After what happened with Kassam I would think all fans should be wary when a new owner is rumoured.
As people have mentioned Kassam has left the club with no assets to strip other than the players, he made a pretty good job of that. Selling the players would only lead to a short term gain and eventually reduce the value of the capital paid for the club, so this cannot be a realistic motive.
As Gary Baldi says I would struggle to see what this Tiger would get out of owning the club. Perhaps he genuinely just wants to get involved in football, you never know. Whether he has the funds available that are needed to increase the value of the club (buy the stadium / take the club to the championship) looks unlikely from what has been stated by the OP.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 20, 2017 9:44:24 GMT
We should all be concerned about these people. Their business dealings are as murky as mr cannells consommé. And just who are the real money men behind it all? There are many worrying traits within this carabao shite that make me uneasy. You, sir, have never to my knowledge tasted the Cannell (caps please) brodo di manzo. I cordially suggest you join me on Saturday for a filling bowl at the pre-match Blackbird soup kitchen for 'fans' who can't afford tickets. This worked well on Wednesday when, having run out on plastic receptacles, a couple of 'fans' demanded I pour said soup into their pockets so their spouses and progeny could also get a proper meal just once in a week. As they mostly had tats and shaved heads I felt loth to point out the drawback of their scheme and beat an hasty progress to the safety of the North Stand. Precisely. And that's all people are saying. Tiger's background ......... Are you saying that tigers never change their spots, Pete?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 20, 2017 9:51:45 GMT
Are you saying that tigers never change their spots, Pete? I think maybe they can. Cunning, elusive creatures, tigers. When was the last time you saw one around Oxfordshire? Yet they're lurking ....
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Post by tatabanya on Oct 20, 2017 10:23:42 GMT
Trying to understand the intention of any prospective owner is clearly of paramount importance, irrespective of any previous actions or allegiance. Also, the fact that doubt was cast over DE's takeover does not, in any way, mean that each new prospective owner should not be met with scrutiny first. Totally agree. From my point of view, after realising that nearly all of my questioning of Darryl recently came from info put on here by the same 3 people. And then the same 3 people were also very questioning of the take over before it even happened. I’m a little less likely to believe everything they say without considering both sides, and wondering if it’s just another part of the big game being played out If people trust Darryl and think he has the best interests of the club at heart, then would he sell to people with questionable motives ? Or is it more scaremongering again to try and turn fans towards a different option. I would be worried if some of the people mentioned did become involved, but so far other than tiger, the others mentioned are pure speculation as to them being people he may know or might be interested in backing him. Even his involvement is based purely on being seen at a few games. My point is the opening post is a worst case speculative scenario. Unless of course there is some evidence , of which I was continuously asked for when repeating info from the same people At some stage though you have to accept that some people may know more that what is in the public domain, but are unable to provide evidence of that. I don't, and some will claim they do who do not either, but the continued ask for proof for sensitive information is a futile exercise.
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