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Post by charliesghost on Sept 27, 2017 14:32:56 GMT
How about this for a line-up... Eastwood Baldock Nelson Wright Holmes-Dennis O'Dowda Lundstram Ledson Johnson Roofe McAleny That XI would comfortably survive in the Championship. My point? That DE's masterplan was working. It was working brilliantly. And Mapp's departure really shouldn't have altered the recruitment philosophy. So why change it DE so drastically, horribly? With a similar style of recruitment to previous seasons we should be on the periphery at the least. But there has not been ONE signing aligned to that philosophy since Mapp left. That has actually been explained, by DE himself, at length in the Gillingham matchday programme. There were those players available, but they were on the market for too much money (to his mind). So he decided that OUFC (ie he) should be a 'seller' in the market rather than a 'buyer'. The implication, though not said explicitly, was that huge wedges of cash are available for the next transfer window. Though clearly not very large wedges, as otherwise they would have been spent in July/ August! The problem with DE's theory is that it assumes that the increase in player valuation was specific to THIS window and that valuations will come down subsequently. But I don't think this is the case. There are secular and non-secular trends driving valuations, that have to do with big-money stuff going on levels above OUFC. Those things might change, but no time soon. and certainly not in time for the January window. Quite the contrary: given the dynamics of Premier League financing (and therefore Championship clubs incentivising) I expect it to continue to accelerate. So, the actual decision is simply to withdraw from the transfer market altogether. To pocket as much money as one can for the saleable players one has, to fork a bit of it into a playing budget and then to tell the recruitment department to do the best they can with free transfers and free agents. That is a logical move, chimes with the reasoning in the Gillingham programme and explains why we haven't left many gaps in the squad to recruit into for January. It's not "ambitious", but it is business sensible.
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Post by Mark on Sept 27, 2017 14:49:09 GMT
How about this for a line-up... Eastwood Baldock Nelson Wright Holmes-Dennis O'Dowda Lundstram Ledson Johnson Roofe McAleny That XI would comfortably survive in the Championship. My point? That DE's masterplan was working. It was working brilliantly. And Mapp's departure really shouldn't have altered the recruitment philosophy. So why change it DE so drastically, horribly? With a similar style of recruitment to previous seasons we should be on the periphery at the least. But there has not been ONE signing aligned to that philosophy since Mapp left. But Eales/Ashton/Appletons' masterplan was never to keep all of those players like O'Dowda / Lundstram / Roofe / Ledson / McAleny in a Championship side. The plan was to develop and sell a player or two per season to balance the books. Apart from O'Dowda, those players came to us to prove they were better than benchwarming at a Premier League club or on loan at clogger clubs, and that they were good enough to play in competitive Championship sides, coming from experience in L1 and L2. For those players, they got the playing experience and higher level transfers, and the club got the benefit of those players' ability, and the transfer fees. Presumably promotion to the Championship is harder and more expensive than anticipated in 2014, particularly with the ground and match-day revenue situation, which is why the likes of Johnson took the quick move now rather than gamble on however many seasons it might take OUFC to get to the Championship. So why has the develop and sell model been mostly dropped based on the current squad? I'd say that any potential takeover, the biggest unknown is player value. For our current squad it's safe to say there is little prospect of transfer fees except for a few like Eastwood, which means tieing down a sale price a lot easier. Perhaps the sale of so many players actually means that Eales can get some of his 'investment' in getting to L1 back early in cash, rather than waiting for a full takeover including those players still on the books.
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Post by socrates on Sept 27, 2017 15:15:23 GMT
How about this for a line-up... Eastwood Baldock Nelson Wright Holmes-Dennis O'Dowda Lundstram Ledson Johnson Roofe McAleny That XI would comfortably survive in the Championship. My point? That DE's masterplan was working. It was working brilliantly. And Mapp's departure really shouldn't have altered the recruitment philosophy. So why change it DE so drastically, horribly? With a similar style of recruitment to previous seasons we should be on the periphery at the least. But there has not been ONE signing aligned to that philosophy since Mapp left. But Eales/Ashton/Appletons' masterplan was never to keep all of those players like O'Dowda / Lundstram / Roofe / Ledson / McAleny in a Championship side. The plan was to develop and sell a player or two per season to balance the books. Apart from O'Dowda, those players came to us to prove they were better than benchwarming at a Premier League club or on loan at clogger clubs, and that they were good enough to play in competitive Championship sides, coming from experience in L1 and L2. For those players, they got the playing experience and higher level transfers, and the club got the benefit of those players' ability, and the transfer fees. Presumably promotion to the Championship is harder and more expensive than anticipated in 2014, particularly with the ground and match-day revenue situation, which is why the likes of Johnson took the quick move now rather than gamble on however many seasons it might take OUFC to get to the Championship. So why has the develop and sell model been mostly dropped based on the current squad? I'd say that any potential takeover, the biggest unknown is player value. For our current squad it's safe to say there is little prospect of transfer fees except for a few like Eastwood, which means tieing down a sale price a lot easier. Perhaps the sale of so many players actually means that Eales can get some of his 'investment' in getting to L1 back early in cash, rather than waiting for a full takeover including those players still on the books. I'm not saying that was the masterplan. The masterplan was to keep on replacing like for like. That is not happening. Six of the above XI are in the Champ, one in the PL. How many from Bury last night will play in the Championship from this point on? Nelson and Ledson are the only two possibles
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Post by purplemonkoufc on Sept 27, 2017 18:24:59 GMT
Sadly you've reached your level of incompetence. Thanks for the memories. Time let someone else try and take this football club forward. p*ss off
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Eales Out
Sept 27, 2017 18:33:11 GMT
via mobile
Post by purplemonkoufc on Sept 27, 2017 18:33:11 GMT
But Eales/Ashton/Appletons' masterplan was never to keep all of those players like O'Dowda / Lundstram / Roofe / Ledson / McAleny in a Championship side. The plan was to develop and sell a player or two per season to balance the books. Apart from O'Dowda, those players came to us to prove they were better than benchwarming at a Premier League club or on loan at clogger clubs, and that they were good enough to play in competitive Championship sides, coming from experience in L1 and L2. For those players, they got the playing experience and higher level transfers, and the club got the benefit of those players' ability, and the transfer fees. Presumably promotion to the Championship is harder and more expensive than anticipated in 2014, particularly with the ground and match-day revenue situation, which is why the likes of Johnson took the quick move now rather than gamble on however many seasons it might take OUFC to get to the Championship. So why has the develop and sell model been mostly dropped based on the current squad? I'd say that any potential takeover, the biggest unknown is player value. For our current squad it's safe to say there is little prospect of transfer fees except for a few like Eastwood, which means tieing down a sale price a lot easier. Perhaps the sale of so many players actually means that Eales can get some of his 'investment' in getting to L1 back early in cash, rather than waiting for a full takeover including those players still on the books. I'm not saying that was the masterplan. The masterplan was to keep on replacing like for like. That is not happening. Six of the above XI are in the Champ, one in the PL. How many from Bury last night will play in the Championship from this point on? Nelson and Ledson are the only two possibles Eastwood. Rothwell could play there if given a decent of run of games. Robbie Hall could be a fringe player there.
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 29, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
Be careful what you wish for is all I'll say. Are you talking about the suicide bombers who end up getting male virgins in heaven?
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Post by southstandyellow on Sept 29, 2017 14:54:56 GMT
But Eales/Ashton/Appletons' masterplan was never to keep all of those players like O'Dowda / Lundstram / Roofe / Ledson / McAleny in a Championship side. The plan was to develop and sell a player or two per season to balance the books. Apart from O'Dowda, those players came to us to prove they were better than benchwarming at a Premier League club or on loan at clogger clubs, and that they were good enough to play in competitive Championship sides, coming from experience in L1 and L2. For those players, they got the playing experience and higher level transfers, and the club got the benefit of those players' ability, and the transfer fees. Presumably promotion to the Championship is harder and more expensive than anticipated in 2014, particularly with the ground and match-day revenue situation, which is why the likes of Johnson took the quick move now rather than gamble on however many seasons it might take OUFC to get to the Championship. So why has the develop and sell model been mostly dropped based on the current squad? I'd say that any potential takeover, the biggest unknown is player value. For our current squad it's safe to say there is little prospect of transfer fees except for a few like Eastwood, which means tieing down a sale price a lot easier. Perhaps the sale of so many players actually means that Eales can get some of his 'investment' in getting to L1 back early in cash, rather than waiting for a full takeover including those players still on the books. I'm not saying that was the masterplan. The masterplan was to keep on replacing like for like. That is not happening. Six of the above XI are in the Champ, one in the PL. How many from Bury last night will play in the Championship from this point on? Nelson and Ledson are the only two possibles Which of the above plays in the PL? None, to my knowledge.
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Post by eraser on Sept 29, 2017 15:19:49 GMT
I'm not saying that was the masterplan. The masterplan was to keep on replacing like for like. That is not happening. Six of the above XI are in the Champ, one in the PL. How many from Bury last night will play in the Championship from this point on? Nelson and Ledson are the only two possibles Which of the above plays in the PL? None, to my knowledge. I think there may be confusion between Sam and George Baldock... Sam is at Brighton but our George is at Sheffield Utd
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2017 16:06:58 GMT
I'm not saying that was the masterplan. The masterplan was to keep on replacing like for like. That is not happening. Six of the above XI are in the Champ, one in the PL. How many from Bury last night will play in the Championship from this point on? Nelson and Ledson are the only two possibles Which of the above plays in the PL? None, to my knowledge. Jonjoe kenny ?
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Post by Best Mate on Sept 29, 2017 18:45:20 GMT
But Jonjo wasn't in the list....
Anyhow, I am not surprised by the reaction on here (and some of the pathetic snide comments on the OM site). After spending 15 years plus in league 2/ Conference - I find it embarrassing that people are so quick to turn on the owner and a new manager. I am not saying that they are exempt from a proportion of blame (well, more the Chairman) but this is the most successful period we have had in 20 plus years.
Promotion, FA Cup Runs, 2 Wembley trips - a squad that must have turned a healthy profit in terms of sales of 7 million plus within the last 18 months. We have other saleable assets currently in the squad.
We were 2 mins from going 4th after a fantastic performance 2 weeks ago. Now 3 poor performances and the manager can 'fcuk off back to Leeds' according to the OM site.
Get a grip.
I want promotion. I want a cup run. However, if we finish 10-14th I wouldn't actually be that disappointed as we establish ourselves as proper league 1 team again. Yes we had momentum last year but we lost our manager, skipper, top scorer plus the 1 young goal scorer we wanted.
We are lacking a striker - we can all see it.
But we will bounce back and if we are 12-14th come Jan and can address that - no reason we can not push on for the Play Off push potentially.
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Post by gofish2 on Sept 30, 2017 18:43:04 GMT
I am sick and tired of the negativity towards Eales, and don't feel inclined to say why......
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Post by bigronaldo on Sept 30, 2017 21:40:29 GMT
I am sick and tired of the negativity towards Eales, and don't feel inclined to say why...... Oh, well if you are gonna be like that, I'll just wait for oxbible to tell me then!
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Post by chinny on Oct 3, 2017 15:28:41 GMT
Got to be one of the most pathetic topics posted on here. FFS Eales has done a great job, leave the man alone. We just smashed the Posh. We are in good hands.
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Eales Out
Oct 14, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by Toeby on Oct 14, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
So, Eales out then?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 14, 2017 17:25:31 GMT
Could still happen. Look who’s sponsoring the away end 😉😂
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 14, 2017 20:40:07 GMT
Emmanuel Macron is buying OUFC?
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 15, 2017 7:52:19 GMT
Don't embarrass yourself eh? What's the point in being embarrassed? This is a forum of public opinion, should I only keep to the status quo? Lots of people feel the same, they probably don't write it because they don't want to be hounded down by tosspots who have no value in any opinion not held by themselves. MJB raises a decent point, I wonder if the investors are still sniffing around. Hard to believe there wouldn't be the same people interested, we're only just over a month into the season. I'm assuming you will now be praising Eales for single-handedly turning our season around? After all, he was responsible for 3 successive defeats so I'm guessing that he is also responsible for the wins? And what about those tosspots who questioned your hysterical rants? I suppose they haven't a clue have they? Maybe in future we can all just chill out a bit rather than silly little knee jerk reactions?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 15, 2017 12:21:12 GMT
Nah. Far more fun to write hysterical nonsense on the internet and then call people who disagree with you naughty names...
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Post by onlyme on Oct 16, 2017 10:20:57 GMT
Nah. Far more fun to write hysterical nonsense on the internet and then call people who disagree with you naughty names... And then go all quiet when what you've written looks even more stupid than ever.
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