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Post by mcf86 on Sept 4, 2017 11:05:03 GMT
If the adage 'You're only as good as your last game' has any truth in it, bladdy Nora, us armchair fans and those 'lucky' enough to be at Wembley tonight could be in for a long night. Despite the 4-0 win in Malta last Friday England were very far from convincing, and were tbh flattered by the score-line. Not convinced that Southgate has anything about him to get England playing the football we all would love to from the three lions, and unless there's a marked improvement in this 'must win convincingly' match the boo boys and girls will no doubt (again) express their dis-pleasure.
On paper, England have some talented if raw young players at their disposal, Southgate's job is to help them realise their potential and put some pride back for England's long suffering fans. And pdq.
Based on the Malta performance, England 1 Slovakia 1.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 4, 2017 12:21:51 GMT
The dearth of good central midfielders in our game is represented by Jake Livermore. A decent premier league footballer but nowhere near good enough for the national team.
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 4, 2017 12:42:10 GMT
Be a totally different game to Friday with Slovakia needing a win, probably suit England more. France drew nil nil with Luxembourg after beating Holland 4-0, the minnows don't attempt to play any football and it makes for a dull, strange watch.
2-1 England with Kane and Alli notching.
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Post by foley on Sept 4, 2017 13:17:59 GMT
England are now in a position of having no world class players (over the past few decades we have had Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Scholes, Cole etc).
Deli Alli and Kane are the closest and if they continue to improve, England will be lucky to have them.
Southgate talks a good game but we do need to start to see improvements being made. Dier coming back will help this evening and I would be a little surprised if we don't with Alli and Kane being on the score sheet.
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Post by cj on Sept 4, 2017 13:43:44 GMT
Surely England can put a decent team together and play attractive football?
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Post by foley on Sept 4, 2017 15:45:05 GMT
Surely England can put a decent team together and play attractive football? Er like when?? We used to have far better players and still rarely played attractive football!
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Post by arthurturner on Sept 4, 2017 16:25:42 GMT
Yawn
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 4, 2017 16:31:27 GMT
Surely England can put a decent team together and play attractive football? Er like when?? We used to have far better players and still rarely played attractive football! Even the so called 'Golden generation' of the early 90's failed to deliver a trophy, despite arguably including some of England's finest such as, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes and Owen etc etc. Which is a reality check for those of us who still dream of England actually *winning something!! Hoping we can play some 'attractive football' and win a match, tonight! *A Trophy.
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Post by makv on Sept 4, 2017 18:50:38 GMT
Hah hah hah hah hah
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 4, 2017 19:12:08 GMT
England are shit
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 4, 2017 19:39:25 GMT
Joe Hart at blame for another goal, time for the other goalkeepers to be given a chance now.
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Post by foley on Sept 4, 2017 19:44:55 GMT
Joe Hart at blame for another goal, time for the other goalkeepers to be given a chance now. Really? I don't reckon that was Hart's fault. Rashford should not have lost the ball where he did.
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 4, 2017 20:04:14 GMT
Joe Hart at blame for another goal, time for the other goalkeepers to be given a chance now. Really? I don't reckon that was Hart's fault. Rashford should not have lost the ball where he did. Yeah but Harts effort was poor, he made himself smaller. A nineteen year old attacker making a mistake in defence is forgivable, a thirty something goalkeeper coming out with the authority of a one legged midget is not when added to all his other calamities.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 4, 2017 20:17:36 GMT
The Slovak back line look like a pub team needing a cigarette break to recover. It's a shame England are so wasteful/selfish up front.
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 4, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
Overall an average performance by England, credit for working their way back into it thou against some lively opposition. Southgate has his work cut out.
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Post by nige01ox on Sept 4, 2017 22:03:57 GMT
Cannot believe Hart gets picked based on his performances 4/5 years ago when we have Butland who should be the no.1 for years to come
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Post by saddletramp on Sept 5, 2017 5:50:51 GMT
Er like when?? We used to have far better players and still rarely played attractive football! Even the so called 'Golden generation' of the early 90's failed to deliver a trophy, despite arguably including some of England's finest such as, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes and Owen etc etc. Which is a reality check for those of us who still dream of England actually *winning something!! Hoping we can play some 'attractive football' and win a match, tonight! *A Trophy. I think you are getting confused, "the golden generation of the early 90s ?" What i remember of the early 90s is Graham Taylor picking players like Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer and failing to qualify for the WC in the USA. Not one of the players mentioned above played in Euro 96. Gerrard made his debut in 2000.
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Post by saddletramp on Sept 5, 2017 5:52:38 GMT
Cannot believe Hart gets picked based on his performances 4/5 years ago when we have Butland who should be the no.1 for years to come I disagree,i think Tom Heaton is better than Butland,worth 15 points a season to Burnley.
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Post by saddletramp on Sept 5, 2017 6:02:37 GMT
Southgate out. Clueless. I'm not a fan of either Kyle Walker or Ryan Bertrand,but what they do well is overlap,allowing teams to get more bodies in the box. Southgate,by pushing Chamberlain and Rashford wide,totally nullified that option,which resulted in Harry Kane being isolated in the box. When you play 4-2-3-1 like we did last night,your middle 3 need to be compact,in the first half hour with 2 wide midfielders,Alli was outnumbered 3 to 1 at times. P.S. Smaller crowd last night than the Checkatrade final,was their a boycott ?
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Post by pottersrightboot on Sept 5, 2017 6:07:15 GMT
Actually thought there were some encouraging signs. Played as a team in the second half and then saw the match out very well.
Hart has to go though; no wonder he got bombed at City.
His kicking under pressure is unreliable, plus he has no left foot.
Rashford's goal was high quality.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 5, 2017 7:09:08 GMT
Going a goal down may have helped England come out and play. Some of the play reminds me of the Wilder years. Players running down blind alleys and shooting from impossible places. Re: Joe Hart, I think the game has slowly passed him by in the last couple of years. Ever since Pep G went to City, Hart has looked a mess in goal and tried to be something he's not. When you look at the season Pickford had last season and Jack Butland, the future is here.
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Post by headingtonutd on Sept 5, 2017 7:30:12 GMT
Agreed, I think Hart needs standing down for a while so maybe he can get his head down at West Ham and get some form back. We have back up that deserves a chance. As poor as we were to start I think we played well after that. I like that Southgate trusts his young players and Rashford will learn from his mistake that handed them the goal. He played really well from then on. Ali and Kane are always dangerous and we have strong wing backs. I say wing backs because I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be better served with a back three. Stones in there allowing them to push on a little and giving hm freedom to bring the ball out with plenty of cover in Dier ahead.
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Post by foley on Sept 5, 2017 7:37:46 GMT
Agreed, I think Hart needs standing down for a while so maybe he can get his head down at West Ham and get some form back. We have back up that deserves a chance. As poor as we were to start I think we played well after that. I like that Southgate trusts his young players and Rashford will learn from his mistake that handed them the goal. He played really well from then on. Ali and Kane are always dangerous and we have strong wing backs. I say wing backs because I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be better served with a back three. Stones in there allowing them to push on a little and giving hm freedom to bring the ball out with plenty of cover in Dier ahead. I thought that we did reasonably well in the second half. Agree that Southgate seems to be using some of the younger players which is good. I guess as Saddletramp alluded to, despite having quite a lot of the ball particularly in the second half, the formation was such that Harry Kane, one of our better players, was left pretty isolated at times even in a home game. He must have bene frustrated at times as a number of players decided to shoot when Kane was the better option.
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Post by concretebob on Sept 5, 2017 7:39:31 GMT
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 5, 2017 8:09:05 GMT
Ali needs to be brought down a peg or two and to be told to pass the ball as well
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Post by MJB on Sept 5, 2017 8:09:31 GMT
Sounds like they're making excuses to me to avoid a ban from FIFA.
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 5, 2017 8:32:27 GMT
Even the so called 'Golden generation' of the early 90's failed to deliver a trophy, despite arguably including some of England's finest such as, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes and Owen etc etc. Which is a reality check for those of us who still dream of England actually *winning something!! Hoping we can play some 'attractive football' and win a match, tonight! *A Trophy. I think you are getting confused, "the golden generation of the early 90s ?" What i remember of the early 90s is Graham Taylor picking players like Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer and failing to qualify for the WC in the USA. Not one of the players mentioned above played in Euro 96. Gerrard made his debut in 2000.
I guess some of the players pictured above are representative of what some saw as a 'Golden generation'? A lot of talented individuals, but ultimately they failed to live up to the hype.
England line-up to face Switzerland at the 2004 European Championships in Portugal. The team is (back row left to right) Sol Campbell, John Terry, David James, Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Frank Lampard. (Front row left to right) Steven Gerrard, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Ashley Cole.
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Post by berliner on Sept 5, 2017 8:35:26 GMT
I think you are getting confused, "the golden generation of the early 90s ?" What i remember of the early 90s is Graham Taylor picking players like Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer and failing to qualify for the WC in the USA. Not one of the players mentioned above played in Euro 96. Gerrard made his debut in 2000.
I guess some of the players pictured above are representative of what some saw as a 'Golden generation'? A lot of talented individuals, but ultimately they failed to live up to the hype.
England line-up to face Switzerland at the 2004 European Championships in Portugal. The team is (back row left to right) Sol Campbell, John Terry, David James, Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Frank Lampard. (Front row left to right) Steven Gerrard, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Ashley Cole.
And every one of them would walk into today's team (excepting James maybe).
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Post by cj on Sept 5, 2017 8:46:46 GMT
Surely England can put a decent team together and play attractive football? Er like when?? We used to have far better players and still rarely played attractive football! Euro 96 v Holland, 2001 v Germany. Struggling to find anything since then though...
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Post by horseman on Sept 5, 2017 11:32:35 GMT
Too many individuals who believe in their hype and seek the headlines...not passing to team mates who are in far better position..Ali trying to be messi and ronaldo....as for their goal admire the skill and finish rather than try blame the keeper....we were fortunate they needed to win and scored too early
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