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Post by essexyellows on Sept 15, 2017 13:26:25 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery. Tactical strikes to take out their nuclear capacity and their leadership, they will soon toe the line with the rest of the planet. It would be quicker and more easily resolved than any "war on terror". Sanctions & negotiations will have zero effect on a dictator who wants to wave his big toys around. Simple as that. in the mean time the only folk who suffer from sanctions are the population.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 15, 2017 13:51:26 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery. Tactical strikes to take out their nuclear capacity and their leadership, they will soon toe the line with the rest of the planet. It would be quicker and more easily resolved than any "war on terror". Sanctions & negotiations will have zero effect on a dictator who wants to wave his big toys around. Simple as that. Not really. China back NK as a buffer between China itself and the US backed SK. If Trump launches an attack that close to the Chinese borders on a China backed regime, then it would escalate really quickly. The sensible solution is to get China to rein Un in - and that does seem to be getting closer to happening. I'll keep my fingers crossed as I'd like to see what happens this season before nuclear armageddon makes it all a bit pointless!
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 15, 2017 15:01:39 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery. Tactical strikes to take out their nuclear capacity and their leadership, they will soon toe the line with the rest of the planet. It would be quicker and more easily resolved than any "war on terror". Sanctions & negotiations will have zero effect on a dictator who wants to wave his big toys around. Simple as that. in the mean time the only folk who suffer from sanctions are the population. As long as you and those making the decision are willing to write off Seoul (& its inhabitants) and that will be with conventional weapons, never mind what they will do with the nuclear weapons they have and the rest of South Korea. Although they may get Un assuming they know where he is at a precise time, enough of the senior Military command will survive to strike back and it may involve not just South Korea but also Japan etc. And that is assuming that China won't get involved
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 15, 2017 15:48:56 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK That's true. And, thanks to the efficiency of the North Korean security services (so we're told) there is no domestic political opposition either, even underground. I wonder what percentage of the NK population would rejoice should Un get bumped off?
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Sept 15, 2017 17:19:10 GMT
The Kim regime watched in alarm as Saddam Hussein was invaded, caught and hung for his vague and hypothetical links to terror networks.
DPRK was at the time on the US list of states who sponsor terrorism. The Kims worried they could be next and embarked on a plan to make an invasion impossible, namely to become a nuclear power and make their reign an eternal one that could never be stopped by outside aggression.
George W. eventually removed them from the list, hoping they would chill out and negotiations might be possible, but it was too late, the Kims were on a mission.
So, this is simply the fruition of years and years of effort by the DPRK to get equipped with nuclear tipped ICBMs. They want to be big boys.
There is nothing that can be done to stop them. The Chinese won't countenance regime removal. It's not in their interests. They don't give a crap about the 27 million North Koreans who live in fear, ignorance and poverty.
Kim Jong Un has no intention however of launching a first strike. He likes being alive far too much. But having said that it is a highly unpredictable nation and can't be trusted. Maybe he is already mad, or could become so. Maybe a rogue General or future Kim could do something stupid. That's the problem - DPRK are too unpredictable to have this capability.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 15, 2017 21:33:33 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK That's true. And, thanks to the efficiency of the North Korean security services (so we're told) there is no domestic political opposition either, even underground. I wonder what percentage of the NK population would rejoice should Un get bumped off? I'd think quite a lot would be happy once they are able to have freedom to have different hair cuts and have the freedom to sort out their shocking standard of life.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 16, 2017 17:59:05 GMT
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 16, 2017 20:02:07 GMT
The Kim regime watched in alarm as Saddam Hussein was invaded, caught and hung for his vague and hypothetical links to terror networks. DPRK was at the time on the US list of states who sponsor terrorism. The Kims worried they could be next and embarked on a plan to make an invasion impossible, namely to become a nuclear power and make their reign an eternal one that could never be stopped by outside aggression. George W. eventually removed them from the list, hoping they would chill out and negotiations might be possible, but it was too late, the Kims were on a mission. So, this is simply the fruition of years and years of effort by the DPRK to get equipped with nuclear tipped ICBMs. They want to be big boys. There is nothing that can be done to stop them. The Chinese won't countenance regime removal. It's not in their interests. They don't give a crap about the 27 million North Koreans who live in fear, ignorance and poverty. Kim Jong Un has no intention however of launching a first strike. He likes being alive far too much. But having said that it is a highly unpredictable nation and can't be trusted. Maybe he is already mad, or could become so. Maybe a rogue General or future Kim could do something stupid. That's the problem - DPRK are too unpredictable to have this capability. I'd say the biggest risk is North Korea sharing their technology with enemies of the west such as Islamic State
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 16, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK That's true. And, thanks to the efficiency of the North Korean security services (so we're told) there is no domestic political opposition either, even underground. I wonder what percentage of the NK population would rejoice should Un get bumped off? As an atheist I'd like to think of that as true. But a potential alternative comparison would be Japan or Nazi germany in WW2. The former especially, bowed down to the idea of honour and a special leader rather than to any existentialism. The Japanese almost never surrendered and fought to the death regardless of the odds. Brainwashing can take place in many forms, not just religions, and can be very impactful over a thirty year period
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 16, 2017 20:06:50 GMT
The Kim regime watched in alarm as Saddam Hussein was invaded, caught and hung for his vague and hypothetical links to terror networks. DPRK was at the time on the US list of states who sponsor terrorism. The Kims worried they could be next and embarked on a plan to make an invasion impossible, namely to become a nuclear power and make their reign an eternal one that could never be stopped by outside aggression. George W. eventually removed them from the list, hoping they would chill out and negotiations might be possible, but it was too late, the Kims were on a mission. So, this is simply the fruition of years and years of effort by the DPRK to get equipped with nuclear tipped ICBMs. They want to be big boys. There is nothing that can be done to stop them. The Chinese won't countenance regime removal. It's not in their interests. They don't give a crap about the 27 million North Koreans who live in fear, ignorance and poverty. Kim Jong Un has no intention however of launching a first strike. He likes being alive far too much. But having said that it is a highly unpredictable nation and can't be trusted. Maybe he is already mad, or could become so. Maybe a rogue General or future Kim could do something stupid. That's the problem - DPRK are too unpredictable to have this capability. I'd say the biggest risk is North Korea sharing their technology with enemies of the west such as Islamic State
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