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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 14, 2017 18:43:37 GMT
He's under contract for 3 years. So what if he wants out. Only sell if a stupid bid comes in. 4 mill plus imo.
I bet all our players would want to leave if a championship team is interested.
Make him stay. If he fooks about no one will be interested next transfer window.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 14, 2017 18:46:06 GMT
I said to my Dad that he looks like he's mentally already gone during the Pompey game. Didn't have a terrible game, but could have done more and took the 'safe' option several times. What's interesting to me is that at one point there were about 30 scouts watching him and the only bid we've received is a p*ss-takingly low one. I don't know how much he's worth. We're in a strong position to negotiate though, which is always a positive. Time to sit down with Hall, Ruffels etc and offer them new deals in my opinion. Very good point re Hall and Ruffels, they are both out of contract at the end of the season aren't they? Think so. But with the budget we have now from these sales we should also put new deals in front of lego and Nelson. Stick a release figure in it for them to show we won't stand in their way, but make such we get full value for them should they leave rather than get into the situation of lunny. Some may still be a little unconvinced at ruffels value, but look at how much it would cost to replace him! It just cost sheff Utd 700k And Pompey are still relying on players like Danny rose. He's probably also by far the lowest paid senior player in the squad. Double his money on a 3 year deal. If we do eventually find better, then like with sercs someone will still snap him up from us
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Post by gingerox on Aug 14, 2017 18:52:47 GMT
I'd be happy to see him leave for a good fee (2mil+), no point in keeping a player who doesn't want to give 100%. Not getting any younger and hasn't been arsed since Pep arrived. It's a shame some players act like this, but no doubt his agent is in his ear. Plus, if it means keeping others (Ledson, Nelson), even more so
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 14, 2017 18:53:51 GMT
But Hull of all places seem tto think be the only team looking or at least the one we know of, but what a shithole, he ought to bide his time see what happens come January we maybe in a position if he wants to go then get a good wedge for him but if we're shit by January nobody may want him. Also I wonder if Hull even knew of him when we got him ?
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Post by lukehudson on Aug 14, 2017 18:54:33 GMT
I would imagine he is just doing what is agent has told him to do.
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Post by plonker on Aug 14, 2017 18:56:14 GMT
While we're in the subject of transfer fees, I was surprised that Payne only cost 600k (fee set by tribunal). I thought it would have been more.
I agree. For me, Ruffles isn't the best player in any one position, but he's a very good player in a number of positions. Invaluable for a squad to have someone that versatile. Based on things said about him in the past, he also has a fantastic attitude. Local lad too, which is always nice. Very pleasing to see him start the season so well and score a few in the process.
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Post by upthecowboys on Aug 14, 2017 18:56:42 GMT
IF he wants out , and I'm not convinced, he's being badly advised. Early signs are that we are going to have a hell of a team. I don't get this 'he's wasting his potential' shtick from some. He's a fine player. Even though he played like he was mildly inebriated on on Saturday he still won us the game - what a pass that was to Ribeiro. Six months of tearing up this league - with Clotet guiding his career- will get him a move to the Prem possibly. He's that good. MJ's agent's just looking at his 10% as per . Suggest he should be more patient, honour his contract and enhance his value - then him and the club can benefit. 'Possibly' is the key word in your post PRB, and I agree with you re how good he is. With Hull getting parachute payments, I'm sure they'd give him north of £10k / week. With no guarantees of what may happen in terms of injuries, form etc, from his perspective Hull nay be hard to turn down.
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Post by Yellow_SSU on Aug 14, 2017 18:59:09 GMT
I'm a big fan of Johnson (doesn't sound quite right!) and enjoy watching him play, he is one of those players who could easily pick the ball up in his own half and beat 5 blokes and stick it in the top corner....
That said two things spring to mind, the first being he is 26....whilst I appreciate he is far from over the hill and still had a long playing career ahead of him, his window for securing a 'big contract' is getting smaller and smaller. His career for one reason or another hasn't got off the ground as quickly as his current ability would suggest and to a certain degree is playing catch up from an earnings perspective.
The 2nd is, how much will we actually miss him? In typical winger fashion he is very much hit or miss and would say that Hall is the more consistent threat when on the pitch. Before anyone says 'Hall was played in the right position', Johnson seemed to always be given the license to attack!
As I have said, if the price is right and he does move on I will be disappointed......but with a sense of perspective, I trust the club to already have suitable replacements lined up.
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Post by cornishox on Aug 14, 2017 18:59:09 GMT
Well f**k him then. If he don't wanna be here ship him out and take the money. I want players here who wanna play for Oxford and it's been obvious for a little while that he's not bothered.
Yes would of been nice to see him get better and better but who's to say that will even happen? I won't lose no sleep if he goes.
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Post by MJB on Aug 14, 2017 19:23:51 GMT
Anything north of £2m and I'd snap the other club's hand off. Given his age, attitude and ability to drift out of games for long spells, I'd certainly take that and reinvest. Produces some moments of genuine magic but he's not Joey Beauchamp!
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Post by lukehudson on Aug 14, 2017 19:25:29 GMT
Has he ever had two really good games in a row?
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Post by upthecowboys on Aug 14, 2017 19:35:13 GMT
Has he ever had two really good games in a row? Probably, that is why someone has opened the bidding at £1 mill. Great shot, pace, power, left footed..
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Post by TheNewManor on Aug 14, 2017 19:36:39 GMT
Can anyone shed light on what the point of a transfer request is. A quick google and skim read to me indicates it has no teeth. All I can see is that it a) Ruffles feathers in your team and fan base b) Would weaken your contracted clubs bargaining power (my assumption).
A private conversation with Pep saying he wants to move on would have the same affect no? eg. the club to consider bids more closely.
Perhaps it's a simple as waving a flag to drum up some interest...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 19:36:43 GMT
Let's sing his praises so that he leaves for good money
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Post by oxfordboy on Aug 14, 2017 19:36:48 GMT
Has he ever had two really good games in a row? Probably, that is why someone has opened the bidding at £1 mill. Great shot, pace, power, left footed.. I'd struggle to think of 2
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Post by oxfordboy on Aug 14, 2017 19:37:56 GMT
Think we'd definitely need to bring someone in to replace him, I think we already have the talent to do that but just short on genuine wingers
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 14, 2017 19:38:49 GMT
He could mean the difference for us to get promoted this season. How much is he worth to us then...
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Aug 14, 2017 19:40:08 GMT
Has he ever had two really good games in a row? I don't think so. The problem with Johnson is that you see how good he COULD be, but rarely how good he actually IS. You get a moment or two of magic every five or six games and the rest of the time he's just sort of there. I've seen him score some wonderful goals and go on some amazing runs, but he's never strung a run of games together where he's a cut above. Half the time he can't even seemingly be arsed to take a man on and just sort of jogs about before checking back towards halfway. I like his pace and I like the options he gives us, as well as those occasional moments. He isn't a bad player at all, that's not what I'm getting at. Of course he's a good player. But is he a Baldock who played out of his skin every single game, or a Roofe who could be relied on to win matches regularly almost on his own? Not for my money. Get a good fee and a bit of a sell on and I think it'll ultimately work out best for everybody that he goes. A good player who COULD be a great one, but not indispensable or irreplaceable.
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Post by The Fence End on Aug 14, 2017 19:43:49 GMT
He could mean the difference for us to get promoted this season. How much is he worth to us then... Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards He isn't that good. Hall is better, has more to his game and is more consistent. A million for an inconsistent 26 year old whose only been a pro since 2015? Sold.
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Post by upthecowboys on Aug 14, 2017 19:46:18 GMT
Probably, that is why someone has opened the bidding at £1 mill. Great shot, pace, power, left footed.. I'd struggle to think of 2 Just as well the scouts don't share your view.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 14, 2017 19:49:06 GMT
I'd struggle to think of 2 Just as well the scouts don't share your view. Maybe they do, 30 odd scouts watching him some games. 1 fairly low offer
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Post by mariokempes on Aug 14, 2017 19:52:30 GMT
While we're in the subject of transfer fees, I was surprised that Payne only cost 600k (fee set by tribunal). I thought it would have been more. I agree. For me, Ruffles isn't the best player in any one position, but he's a very good player in a number of positions. Invaluable for a squad to have someone that versatile. Based on things said about him in the past, he also has a fantastic attitude. Local lad too, which is always nice. Very pleasing to see him start the season so well and score a few in the process. Re Ruffels if he was our top scorer for the last 3 seasons and Barcelona and Real Madrid were having a bidding war for him theres plenty unfortunately on this forum and in the stands who historically wouldn't see what a loss he would be. Your post summused exactly why he's so important. Teams are crying out for utility players. We have one and so many of our fans think he's shit
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 14, 2017 19:54:06 GMT
Maybe, maybe not. On Saturday he had an average game but still set up our 1st important goal. He by default of playing also meant we could have hall and gino as subs to finish the game off. A great bench with goals gets points.. Marv scares defenders which often frees up space for other players to exploit. I
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Post by battman on Aug 14, 2017 19:58:03 GMT
I wouldn't be disappointed to see him go. In a window where we failed to re-sign McAleny and saw Maguire and Lunny go, Johnson's departure would be more of a footnote. If Hull are willing to pay £3million+ for him I'd take it. He's had some good moments in a yellow shirt but he's not been greatly consistent. Even if a fraction of that fee is re-invested, we will still be able to bag a good quality replacement.
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Post by upthecowboys on Aug 14, 2017 20:01:21 GMT
Just as well the scouts don't share your view. Maybe they do, 30 odd scouts watching him some games. 1 fairly low offer No they don't, more offers or a bigger offer from Hull will come!
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 14, 2017 20:10:34 GMT
Just as well the scouts don't share your view. Maybe they do, 30 odd scouts watching him some games. 1 fairly low offer "30 odd scouts watching him some games" ? A.How do you know how many scouts are at a game ? B.How do you know if the "30 odd scouts" in attendance are not watching someone else ? C.Never in million years is he a PL player,so just which clubs do these scouts represent ?
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Post by gilgy on Aug 14, 2017 20:11:10 GMT
Very good point re Hall and Ruffels, they are both out of contract at the end of the season aren't they? Think so. But with the budget we have now from these sales we should also put new deals in front of lego and Nelson. Stick a release figure in it for them to show we won't stand in their way, but make such we get full value for them should they leave rather than get into the situation of lunny. Some may still be a little unconvinced at ruffels value, but look at how much it would cost to replace him! It just cost sheff Utd 700k And Pompey are still relying on players like Danny rose. He's probably also by far the lowest paid senior player in the squad. Double his money on a 3 year deal. If we do eventually find better, then like with sercs someone will still snap him up from us 99% sure Ruffels signed a long term contract towards the end of last season - keeps him with us until the end of the 2018/19 campaign with an option of another year. I might be wrong. EDIT: I was wrong. It was an extension to end of this year. But if we promise him first team football, I dare say we could get him on a 2 year deal.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 14, 2017 20:15:24 GMT
Maybe they do, 30 odd scouts watching him some games. 1 fairly low offer "30 odd scouts watching him some games" ? A.How do you know how many scouts are at a game ? B.How do you know if the "30 odd scouts" in attendance are not watching someone else ? C.Never in million years is he a PL player,so just which clubs do these scouts represent ? Calm down saddlebags. Only going on what others have said. Including radio oxford who quite often mention how many scouts are in, I think mapp may have mentioned in an interview as well. Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season.
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 14, 2017 20:19:41 GMT
While we're in the subject of transfer fees, I was surprised that Payne only cost 600k (fee set by tribunal). I thought it would have been more. I agree. For me, Ruffles isn't the best player in any one position, but he's a very good player in a number of positions. Invaluable for a squad to have someone that versatile. Based on things said about him in the past, he also has a fantastic attitude. Local lad too, which is always nice. Very pleasing to see him start the season so well and score a few in the process. Re Ruffels if he was our top scorer for the last 3 seasons and Barcelona and Real Madrid were having a bidding war for him theres plenty unfortunately on this forum and in the stands who historically wouldn't see what a loss he would be. Your post summused exactly why he's so important. Teams are crying out for utility players. We have one and so many of our fans think he's shit If Ruffels was a totally different player people wouldn't rate him? What a bizarre thing to say.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 14, 2017 20:23:50 GMT
If we sell him for a million we won't be making a lot of money on him, cost us £650,000 and Motherwell have a 10/20% sell on fee, add a signing on/agents fee plus his wages and we will be breaking even.
He started slowly blossomed in the middle part of last season and then we played him out of position and he wasn't anything special. This season he hasn't really given a damn, his performance against Cheltenham was shambolic and he has just been average in the other two games.
He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever.
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