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Post by taffyewe on Aug 10, 2017 19:51:44 GMT
Superb stance taken by Eales. That is how we should be and it is how big clubs act in these situations. Long may it continue.
Now Mr Johnson please do yourself some credit. Get your head down, work hard, mentally commit yourself to your employer and get us promoted. If that happens, the big money offers will come flooding in.
Well done DE.
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Post by socrates on Aug 10, 2017 20:03:41 GMT
The Johnson situation is a weird one for me.
Someone, somewhere, was touting him around left, right and centre towards the end of the season. That person may well have been Mapp. He would tell anyone who would listen that all these clubs were interested and he was worth millions.
Was that because Mapp's strengthening relied on some cash from Marv? Who knows?
What is also strange is how Johnson is touted as this ultimate footballer who can play left back AND left wing. Er, sorry?
He is, possibly, one of the worst left-backs I have seen in the last ten years. And that's not his fault. He just doesn't know where to stand, when and do any other basic defender skill.
Now what is especially strange about is that the football world is not fooled. Scouts can see he can't defend. They see it a mile off. It is known. So does that mean he is a flawed left winger because he needs to be starting from a full back position to be most effective?
As I said, it's weird. He is such a good left-winger that he, er, can't play left wing? Sorry? Seriously? He has to stand further back to get the best out of him? You know, to get a reald head of steam going, so no-one notices him? Er, what? That sounds like a pretty limited player to me. Which he patently isn't, most of the time
That might put a few clubs off. Might drop his price down, too.
And to be honest, I've never quite understood why he is so highly rated. Maybe that's because I saw Allen and Beauchamp rip teams a new one week in and week out. Or Whitehead's class just oozing out all over every blade every week. or Elliott being some sort of God. or Magilton, or Windass or Roofe or...
Johnson has never been that player for us. So for me, there have always been smoke and mirrors. I am pretty sure I know what a million-pounds player looks like. And he's good, but he's not carried the team, driven it on, pulled wins from the fire when we were getting burned etc etc
PS: If Marv wants to go, he goes. Don't matter what DE says.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Aug 10, 2017 20:06:22 GMT
Laughable if we sell for less then 3M. Hope we keep our stance though, Marvin has to prove himself.If we do sell then Eales will have no choice but to spend.
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 10, 2017 20:31:08 GMT
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Post by Mark on Aug 10, 2017 20:31:46 GMT
Well it's back to what's the difference between "not for sale", and the implied "available to buy ".
Perhaps a stupid manager will come along and believe the hype and pay over the odds. Remember PDC apparently offered Constable double pay and the club a decent transfer fee ?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 10, 2017 20:39:59 GMT
Well Hull turned down a bid from Burnley for Sam Clucas and unless It's a silly offer we should turn down hull.
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Post by ioualways on Aug 10, 2017 20:45:35 GMT
Superb stance taken by Eales. That is how we should be and it is how big clubs act in these situations. Long may it continue. Now Mr Johnson please do yourself some credit. Get your head down, work hard, mentally commit yourself to your employer and get us promoted. If that happens, the big money offers will come flooding in. Well done DE. I've obviously missed something...but what is the stance that he's taken? Thanks
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Post by MJB on Aug 10, 2017 20:51:52 GMT
The Johnson situation is a weird one for me. Someone, somewhere, was touting him around left, right and centre towards the end of the season. That person may well have been Mapp. He would tell anyone who would listen that all these clubs were interested and he was worth millions. Was that because Mapp's strengthening relied on some cash from Marv? Who knows? What is also strange is how Johnson is touted as this ultimate footballer who can play left back AND left wing. Er, sorry? He is, possibly, one of the worst left-backs I have seen in the last ten years. And that's not his fault. He just doesn't know where to stand, when and do any other basic defender skill. Now what is especially strange about is that the football world is not fooled. Scouts can see he can't defend. They see it a mile off. It is known. So does that mean he is a flawed left winger because he needs to be starting from a full back position to be most effective? As I said, it's weird. He is such a good left-winger that he, er, can't play left wing? Sorry? Seriously? He has to stand further back to get the best out of him? You know, to get a reald head of steam going, so no-one notices him? Er, what? That sounds like a pretty limited player to me. Which he patently isn't, most of the time That might put a few clubs off. Might drop his price down, too. And to be honest, I've never quite understood why he is so highly rated. Maybe that's because I saw Allen and Beauchamp rip teams a new one week in and week out. Or Whitehead's class just oozing out all over every blade every week. or Elliott being some sort of God. or Magilton, or Windass or Roofe or... Johnson has never been that player for us. So for me, there have always been smoke and mirrors. I am pretty sure I know what a million-pounds player looks like. And he's good, but he's not carried the team, driven it on, pulled wins from the fire when we were getting burned etc etc PS: If Marv wants to go, he goes. Don't matter what DE says. Sounds very similar to what Motherwell fans were saying as he joined us. Mercurial was the sense I got from many of them.
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 10, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
Hull and Leeds after big Marv according to HITC. Let a bidding war commence.
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Post by salaghaf on Aug 10, 2017 22:25:05 GMT
The Johnson situation is a weird one for me. Someone, somewhere, was touting him around left, right and centre towards the end of the season. That person may well have been Mapp. He would tell anyone who would listen that all these clubs were interested and he was worth millions. Was that because Mapp's strengthening relied on some cash from Marv? Who knows? What is also strange is how Johnson is touted as this ultimate footballer who can play left back AND left wing. Er, sorry? He is, possibly, one of the worst left-backs I have seen in the last ten years. And that's not his fault. He just doesn't know where to stand, when and do any other basic defender skill. Now what is especially strange about is that the football world is not fooled. Scouts can see he can't defend. They see it a mile off. It is known. So does that mean he is a flawed left winger because he needs to be starting from a full back position to be most effective? As I said, it's weird. He is such a good left-winger that he, er, can't play left wing? Sorry? Seriously? He has to stand further back to get the best out of him? You know, to get a reald head of steam going, so no-one notices him? Er, what? That sounds like a pretty limited player to me. Which he patently isn't, most of the time That might put a few clubs off. Might drop his price down, too. And to be honest, I've never quite understood why he is so highly rated. Maybe that's because I saw Allen and Beauchamp rip teams a new one week in and week out. Or Whitehead's class just oozing out all over every blade every week. or Elliott being some sort of God. or Magilton, or Windass or Roofe or... Johnson has never been that player for us. So for me, there have always been smoke and mirrors. I am pretty sure I know what a million-pounds player looks like. And he's good, but he's not carried the team, driven it on, pulled wins from the fire when we were getting burned etc etc PS: If Marv wants to go, he goes. Don't matter what DE says. What's more weird is why he was played as a striker towards the end of last season. He was dreadful. Did Mapp hope some goals would boost the price?? And why did he take the penalty midweek? Very strange indeed.
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Post by derek on Aug 10, 2017 22:29:12 GMT
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Post by KLYellow on Aug 11, 2017 3:34:39 GMT
My take on this. Hull have received 30 million plus from players going and have parachute payments I believe so have plenty of money.
When we signed Johnson I don't know if we agreed a sell on clause, so we could have to pay Motherwell more.
O'Dowda, Roofe and now maybe Johnson will be undisclosed, so we don't know if and how much we negotiated sell on clauses but wouldn't be surprised if they included sizeable ones. DE is smart and planning for the future. All you need is these players to progress, even with a championship club and then move on for 10 or 15 million plus. With a 40% sell on clause that could equate to upto 6 million each if the 3 mentioned above have good seasons with BC, Leeds and maybe Hull. That's a huge number for us, possibly meaning we could buy the ground and even reinvest in the squad.
So we shouldn't look at the short term. Yes, we could get say 3 million for Johnson maybe, but vs a possible 1.5 + 40% I would take the latter every day.
Trust our chairman and enjoy the season.
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Post by shosho on Aug 11, 2017 5:52:35 GMT
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Post by dubaiyellow on Aug 11, 2017 6:07:05 GMT
I would suggest his mind is already elsewhere and he's no use to us if he keeps playing like he did on Tuesday. I vote to cash in (with add ons).
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 11, 2017 6:16:23 GMT
Comedy post.
''Possibly the worst left back i've seen in 10 years'. Where's your memory man?
Brevett, Johnson, Burgess (!)? Newey, Jeannin, Kinniburgh..,
the list goes on and on and on. Johnson played ok at Oldham just last Saturday. Mind you he had Williamson alongside him.
If you can't see he's the most exciting player we've had in years I actually feel sorry for you.
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 11, 2017 6:20:51 GMT
My take on this. Hull have received 30 million plus from players going and have parachute payments I believe so have plenty of money. When we signed Johnson I don't know if we agreed a sell on clause, so we could have to pay Motherwell more. O'Dowda, Roofe and now maybe Johnson will be undisclosed, so we don't know if and how much we negotiated sell on clauses but wouldn't be surprised if they included sizeable ones. DE is smart and planning for the future. All you need is these players to progress, even with a championship club and then move on for 10 or 15 million plus. With a 40% sell on clause that could equate to upto 6 million each if the 3 mentioned above have good seasons with BC, Leeds and maybe Hull. That's a huge number for us, possibly meaning we could buy the ground and even reinvest in the squad. So we shouldn't look at the short term. Yes, we could get say 3 million for Johnson maybe, but vs a possible 1.5 + 40% I would take the latter every day. Trust our chairman and enjoy the season. Without wanting to drag up the whole sorry saga again, having a sum of money does not equate to being able to buy the stadium. As to reinvesting in the squad, that would be good but will it happen? I certainly wish to enjoy the season but it is in no way dependent on trusting the chairman.
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 11, 2017 6:22:05 GMT
Do hull have any decent fringe players we could take in part exchange? 2-3 mill plus a decent centre back or left back. Use some of the money to get that emnes (sp) bloke or that Leeds Swedish striker
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Post by bobsyouruncle on Aug 11, 2017 6:45:41 GMT
He must have a really good agent as I'm not sure he is the best LW/LM in L1. I would happily take any of the following players as a possible replacement.
Marcus Maddison-Posh Ricky Holmes-Charlton Josh Morris-Scunthorpe Kyle Bennett-Pompey Billy Bodin-Bristol R Danny Mayor-Bury Graham Carey-Plymouth Ryan Colclough-Wigan
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Post by Jason N on Aug 11, 2017 6:57:29 GMT
Marv' is a very good player, but if his head has been turned then let him go. He forced his move from Motherwell by banging in a Transfer request, I expect he'll do the same at Oxford.
If Hull have made a bid then make it public and lets start a bidding war. I am sure there are at least another couple of decent Championship clubs interested and reportedly a couple of Premier League teams.
Get 3 Mill' with a decent sell on clause and go buy Doidge or Bogle, another left back and a left winger. We'd have a very strong squad.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 11, 2017 7:05:51 GMT
Comedy post. ''Possibly the worst left back i've seen in 10 years'. Where's your memory man? Brevett, Johnson, Burgess (!)? Newey, Jeannin, Kinniburgh.., the list goes on and on and on. Johnson played ok at Oldham just last Saturday. Mind you he had Williamson alongside him. If you can't see he's the most exciting player we've had in years I actually feel sorry for you. "If you can't see he's the most exciting player we've had in years I actually feel sorry for you" Well you can feel sorry for me. Because i quite liked that bloke we had a couple of years ago,what his name again ? You know that bloke that went to Leeds. Oh and to Charlie and all the other posters that wanted out of the cups A.S.A.P. to concentrate on the league. A home tie against West Ham in the next round of the League cup would have been a nice little earner,without cup games the need to sell players is even more important. So don't moan when we do.
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Post by tatabanya on Aug 11, 2017 7:13:22 GMT
There is no doubt the Marvin is exceptionally talented and, on his day, is basically unplayable at this level.
That day doesn't come often enough though and I'm getting bored of being frustrated by him.
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Post by foley on Aug 11, 2017 7:19:19 GMT
Comedy post. ''Possibly the worst left back i've seen in 10 years'. Where's your memory man? Brevett, Johnson, Burgess (!)? Newey, Jeannin, Kinniburgh.., There does tend to occasionally be a very slight over reaction on here occasionally!! I read a comment that suggested that the Cheltenham result was up there with Tonbridge Angels away. Really? Nowhere NEAR as bad as Tonbridge Angels away which was probably the low point of supporting OUFC in the past 50 years. Johnson is not best at left back. Pep tends to agree with that and he has got in a left back. But Johnson played there what 10-12 times last season and generally the team did very well in most of that time, and he did reasonably well there.
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Post by lambchop on Aug 11, 2017 7:25:34 GMT
Last season - cup runs scuppered our promotion This season - total disaster we're out of a cup early
Mmmmmmmm
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 7:43:06 GMT
My take on this. Hull have received 30 million plus from players going and have parachute payments I believe so have plenty of money. When we signed Johnson I don't know if we agreed a sell on clause, so we could have to pay Motherwell more. O'Dowda, Roofe and now maybe Johnson will be undisclosed, so we don't know if and how much we negotiated sell on clauses but wouldn't be surprised if they included sizeable ones. DE is smart and planning for the future. All you need is these players to progress, even with a championship club and then move on for 10 or 15 million plus. With a 40% sell on clause that could equate to upto 6 million each if the 3 mentioned above have good seasons with BC, Leeds and maybe Hull. That's a huge number for us, possibly meaning we could buy the ground and even reinvest in the squad. So we shouldn't look at the short term. Yes, we could get say 3 million for Johnson maybe, but vs a possible 1.5 + 40% I would take the latter every day. Trust our chairman and enjoy the season. At the last Facebook forum mapp and de confirmed that there a very small sell on , around 10% for Marv. And at the time kiddy tweeted they had received 40k as their 10% from him joining us. So I think it was 400k up front with add ons taking it to around 650k. If he goes now we probably won't meet those add ons. X amount after 50 games x amount t after so many goals. But like u say I hope we are sticking large sell on clauses, certainly 25% and above and any future deals could be way more than what we actually sell for. £1m offer seems low to me. But some suggesting he's worth £3/5m if be very surprised. Roofe went for that after scoring 20 goals. The Exeter lad just went for £1.9m the same. I think we would be looking around £2m as a very good price for what he's done so far
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 11, 2017 8:10:15 GMT
There has been talk for a while about Marv's Mr 5% looking to move him on again and being the source of so many rumours. Can't think why he'd do that...
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Post by RCYellowRC on Aug 11, 2017 8:48:48 GMT
If this figure is true then they can jog on and not return.
Especially when they have received 50 million in fees since January.
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Post by grumpygit on Aug 11, 2017 8:55:47 GMT
£1 million, if we take away what we paid for him and a sell on clause, what would we gain from that? Bugger all
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Post by unification on Aug 11, 2017 9:03:24 GMT
The Johnson situation is a weird one for me. Someone, somewhere, was touting him around left, right and centre towards the end of the season. That person may well have been Mapp. He would tell anyone who would listen that all these clubs were interested and he was worth millions. Was that because Mapp's strengthening relied on some cash from Marv? Who knows? What is also strange is how Johnson is touted as this ultimate footballer who can play left back AND left wing. Er, sorry? He is, possibly, one of the worst left-backs I have seen in the last ten years. And that's not his fault. He just doesn't know where to stand, when and do any other basic defender skill. Now what is especially strange about is that the football world is not fooled. Scouts can see he can't defend. They see it a mile off. It is known. So does that mean he is a flawed left winger because he needs to be starting from a full back position to be most effective? As I said, it's weird. He is such a good left-winger that he, er, can't play left wing? Sorry? Seriously? He has to stand further back to get the best out of him? You know, to get a reald head of steam going, so no-one notices him? Er, what? That sounds like a pretty limited player to me. Which he patently isn't, most of the time That might put a few clubs off. Might drop his price down, too. And to be honest, I've never quite understood why he is so highly rated. Maybe that's because I saw Allen and Beauchamp rip teams a new one week in and week out. Or Whitehead's class just oozing out all over every blade every week. or Elliott being some sort of God. or Magilton, or Windass or Roofe or... Johnson has never been that player for us. So for me, there have always been smoke and mirrors. I am pretty sure I know what a million-pounds player looks like. And he's good, but he's not carried the team, driven it on, pulled wins from the fire when we were getting burned etc etc PS: If Marv wants to go, he goes. Don't matter what DE says. In agreement here, Socrates. I like Johnson and he is clearly a very good player and capable of playing at a higher level. But game-bossing, rip-‘em-a-new-one match winner for every game? No chance especially when wasted out at left back – something that two managers have tried to make him do now. Roofe could do that in League 2 but I’ve yet to see Johnson do it on a consistent enough basis. Personally, I think Ledson is a better asset than Johnson for the circling sharks in the Championship and lower half of the PL who are eyeing up what we have in our ranks.
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Post by gilgy on Aug 11, 2017 9:20:21 GMT
I still think Hall offers more...
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Post by horseman on Aug 11, 2017 9:23:43 GMT
Wasn't Mapp saying he saw him as a striker as in down the middle... we keep playing him out of position (for now ) yet other clubs are after him so let em start a bidding war and don't let him go on the cheap...if lunny was only 750 due to contract expiring then johnson surely has to be 2.1/2 or 3 times that with a decent add ons and sell on clause
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