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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 25, 2017 12:59:10 GMT
I have to say that reading the minutes, the over-riding impression I got was that we (the supporters) are seen more as a bloody nuisance than as valued 'customers'. Of course since we support one team (unlike restaurant or supermarket customers) we aren't going to go elsewhere, but that's not a reason to value us less.
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Post by sarge on Aug 25, 2017 16:08:56 GMT
I have to say that reading the minutes, the over-riding impression I got was that we (the supporters) are seen more as a bloody nuisance than as valued 'customers'. Of course since we support one team (unlike restaurant or supermarket customers) we aren't going to go elsewhere, but that's not a reason to value us less. Ive been waiting to see the minutes before putting my views post meeting on this thread... I was one of the few that attended the crowd safety forum arranged by oxvox I agree totally zero' that Mr Mixter does seem to view all football supporters as an annoyance not valued customers. In his interesting and enlightening at times presentation to the meeting, my perception was, is that Mr Mixter's world is one of stark monochrome, as in everything is either black or white, with absolutely no grey areas whatsoever. It appears to me that to MrMixter rules are rules and theres no room for any common sense application or interpretation on his watch His view that should there at some point be a fourth stand, with safe standing, that it must be no alcohol does, to me, underline his perception that all football fans are basically third class citizens not to be trusted, as they/we are dregs of society, all potentially dangerous troublemakers, and are treated accordingly. Rightly the rogues gallery app has already been flagged up as a matter for concern to ALL oufc fans Airport style clear bags introduction I think is really not going to enhance the matchday experience, that was apparently at one point, SO important to the club. Mr Mixter did, during the very short q & a after his presentation , after advertising/requesting/inviting people to apply to become matchday stewards, seem genuinely surprised when it was pointed out that as oufc supporters, when we go to watch our team play, we want to watch our team play, not to watch the crowd for 90 minutes plus. In all honesty,I wouldnt want to spend over 2hrs staring at a crowd, in case someone broke a rule by perhaps farting in the wrong key, or a similar equally nonsensicale 'rule' had been broken by one of those annoying football fans, who are , after all, all borderline criminals in Mr Mixters world , based on his rules is rules is rules outlook. Like Kardiffyellow, and maybe one or two others, Ive now contacted FSF , as there are now minutes as a point of reference, regarding the recent meeting and the legality and implications of some of the minuted items
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 25, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
SORRY GUYS, I may have mis-typed that bit. The potential area for an Ultras section is indeed, BLOCK 21 and NOT 13. Simon Damn! I thought it was a splendid idea. Standing shoulder to shoulder with the directors, DE lending a hand to wave one of the flags whilst handing out hot dogs and free wine gums. (No beer for the young 'uns!)
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Post by chicagohope on Aug 25, 2017 16:54:14 GMT
SORRY GUYS, I may have mis-typed that bit. The potential area for an Ultras section is indeed, BLOCK 21 and NOT 13. Simon Why not put the risk supporters in there and call it "H Block"
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Post by Trevor L on Aug 25, 2017 17:59:43 GMT
I have to say that reading the minutes, the over-riding impression I got was that we (the supporters) are seen more as a bloody nuisance than as valued 'customers'. Of course since we support one team (unlike restaurant or supermarket customers) we aren't going to go elsewhere, but that's not a reason to value us less. Ive been waiting to see the minutes before putting my views post meeting on this thread... I was one of the few that attended the crowd safety forum arranged by oxvox I agree totally zero' that Mr Mixter does seem to view all football supporters as an annoyance not valued customers. In his interesting and enlightening at times presentation to the meeting, my perception was, is that Mr Mixter's world is one of stark monochrome, as in everything is either black or white, with absolutely no grey areas whatsoever. It appears to me that to MrMixter rules are rules and theres no room for any common sense application or interpretation on his watch His view that should there at some point be a fourth stand, with safe standing, that it must be no alcohol does, to me, underline his perception that all football fans are basically third class citizens not to be trusted, as they/we are dregs of society, all potentially dangerous troublemakers, and are treated accordingly. Rightly the rogues gallery app has already been flagged up as a matter for concern to ALL oufc fans Airport style clear bags introduction I think is really not going to enhance the matchday experience, that was apparently at one point, SO important to the club. Mr Mixter did, during the very short q & a after his presentation , after advertising/requesting/inviting people to apply to become matchday stewards, seem genuinely surprised when it was pointed out that as oufc supporters, when we go to watch our team play, we want to watch our team play, not to watch the crowd for 90 minutes plus. In all honesty,I wouldnt want to spend over 2hrs staring at a crowd, in case someone broke a rule by perhaps farting in the wrong key, or a similar equally nonsensicale 'rule' had been broken by one of those annoying football fans, who are , after all, all borderline criminals in Mr Mixters world , based on his rules is rules is rules outlook. Like Kardiffyellow, and maybe one or two others, Ive now contacted FSF , as there are now minutes as a point of reference, regarding the recent meeting and the legality and implications of some of the minuted items Sarge I'm surprised the notes don't seem to have reached you - our system claims it delivered to your email but it has been known to be wrong! If any other member didn't get an email with a link to the notes pls PM me on here. The notes of the meeting are on public display on the OxVox website as per my earlier post - at www.oxvox.org.uk/minutes/crowd100817/ Trev
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Post by sarge on Aug 25, 2017 18:06:10 GMT
Ive been waiting to see the minutes before putting my views post meeting on this thread... I was one of the few that attended the crowd safety forum arranged by oxvox I agree totally zero' that Mr Mixter does seem to view all football supporters as an annoyance not valued customers. In his interesting and enlightening at times presentation to the meeting, my perception was, is that Mr Mixter's world is one of stark monochrome, as in everything is either black or white, with absolutely no grey areas whatsoever. It appears to me that to MrMixter rules are rules and theres no room for any common sense application or interpretation on his watch His view that should there at some point be a fourth stand, with safe standing, that it must be no alcohol does, to me, underline his perception that all football fans are basically third class citizens not to be trusted, as they/we are dregs of society, all potentially dangerous troublemakers, and are treated accordingly. Rightly the rogues gallery app has already been flagged up as a matter for concern to ALL oufc fans Airport style clear bags introduction I think is really not going to enhance the matchday experience, that was apparently at one point, SO important to the club. Mr Mixter did, during the very short q & a after his presentation , after advertising/requesting/inviting people to apply to become matchday stewards, seem genuinely surprised when it was pointed out that as oufc supporters, when we go to watch our team play, we want to watch our team play, not to watch the crowd for 90 minutes plus. In all honesty,I wouldnt want to spend over 2hrs staring at a crowd, in case someone broke a rule by perhaps farting in the wrong key, or a similar equally nonsensicale 'rule' had been broken by one of those annoying football fans, who are , after all, all borderline criminals in Mr Mixters world , based on his rules is rules is rules outlook. Like Kardiffyellow, and maybe one or two others, Ive now contacted FSF , as there are now minutes as a point of reference, regarding the recent meeting and the legality and implications of some of the minuted items Sarge I'm surprised the notes don't seem to have reached you - our system claims it delivered to your email but it has been known to be wrong! If any other member didn't get an email with a link to the notes pls PM me on here. The notes of the meeting are on public display on the OxVox website as per my earlier post - at www.oxvox.org.uk/minutes/crowd100817/ Trev Saw em on the oxvox site Trev, email not arrived (as yet), checked all folders inc spam.....am in somerset at the mo, so maybe theyre caught up in the massive delays on a303 by stonehenge ?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 25, 2017 18:06:22 GMT
SORRY GUYS, I may have mis-typed that bit. The potential area for an Ultras section is indeed, BLOCK 21 and NOT 13. Simon Why not put the risk supporters in there and call it "H Block" I vote that the North Stand bogs be renamed 'H-Block'. I know 'zach' would approve as he's always in there slinging the shit.
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Post by chicagohope on Aug 25, 2017 18:32:05 GMT
With the quality of catering at the stadium it would be pretty easy to go on Hunger Strike..
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 25, 2017 18:35:12 GMT
With the quality of catering at the stadium it would be pretty easy to go on Hunger Strike.. Mixter associates have their own Tornado riot team, to quash any such behaviour. ( this post is meant in a jovial manner, no offence or threat to the people involved is intended)
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Post by rickyotto on Aug 25, 2017 20:45:00 GMT
I'm not surprised by mixters views as an ex cop. Very black and white, little common sense, and the idea that the paying customer who covers his livelihood is the enemy. He's on thin ice with this attitude and if he doesn't want strong reaction against his place in role I suggest he moderate pretty darned fast because there are plenty of much smarter folk than him who support Oxford and on this website.
Ultimately this is DEs problem because it's this sort of attitude that puts people off the matchday experience , destroyed the morale of the ultras and will lead to a direct drop in revenue as a result.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 26, 2017 7:06:07 GMT
there are plenty of much smarter folk than him who support Oxford and on this website. Goes without saying, Ricardo.
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Post by gofish2 on Aug 26, 2017 8:45:08 GMT
.....IM also highlighted / reminded the attendees of the comments made on ‘YellowsForum’ regarding the negative comments made about himself in relation to his competence & the fact he deserved to be lynched.
IM also highlighted that any future further threats to the safety of his family received from OUFC supporters would be reported to TVP. (OxVox minutes)
Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or whatever other explanation might have been offered, I completely agree with his sentiments.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 26, 2017 9:02:56 GMT
Really ? It's bloody clear paul was defending him showing what nonsense the other comments were.
Christ lambchops mrs and bazzer have faced more criticism of their family and competence
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 26, 2017 9:27:15 GMT
.....IM also highlighted / reminded the attendees of the comments made on ‘YellowsForum’ regarding the negative comments made about himself in relation to his competence & the fact he deserved to be lynched. IM also highlighted that any future further threats to the safety of his family received from OUFC supporters would be reported to TVP. (OxVox minutes) Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or whatever other explanation might have been offered, I completely agree with his sentiments. No one threatened his family on here, or did I miss something?!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 26, 2017 9:56:54 GMT
..... IM also highlighted / reminded the attendees of the comments made on ‘YellowsForum’ regarding the negative comments made about himself in relation to his competence & the fact he deserved to be lynched. IM also highlighted that any future further threats to the safety of his family received from OUFC supporters would be reported to TVP. (OxVox minutes) Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or whatever other explanation might have been offered, I completely agree with his sentiments. He is doing quite well at showing he is incompetent though? Should fans just sit back and let him do what he wants and walk around with pictures of fans on his phone?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 26, 2017 10:00:42 GMT
.....IM also highlighted / reminded the attendees of the comments made on ‘YellowsForum’ regarding the negative comments made about himself in relation to his competence & the fact he deserved to be lynched. IM also highlighted that any future further threats to the safety of his family received from OUFC supporters would be reported to TVP. (OxVox minutes) Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or whatever other explanation might have been offered, I completely agree with his sentiments. No one threatened his family on here, or did I miss something?! No one threatened him on here , let alone his family. As for his competence, why shouldn't that be allowed to be discussed.
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Post by gofish2 on Aug 26, 2017 10:10:46 GMT
If that's so then the source should be correctly identified and if not, a retraction should be made. Questioning his competence is reasonable, threatening him is not.
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Post by Bue Guado on Aug 29, 2017 10:09:40 GMT
Agreed, Paul Cannell is entirely at fault for dragging this forum through the mud. I vote we do it the British way. Have a bloody good lynching and worry about the evidence later.
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Post by Bue Guado on Aug 29, 2017 10:11:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 29, 2017 14:16:24 GMT
.....IM also highlighted / reminded the attendees of the comments made on ‘YellowsForum’ regarding the negative comments made about himself in relation to his competence & the fact he deserved to be lynched. IM also highlighted that any future further threats to the safety of his family received from OUFC supporters would be reported to TVP. (OxVox minutes) Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or whatever other explanation might have been offered, I completely agree with his sentiments. No one threatened his family on here, or did I miss something?! I think it was me. Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or even faggot in mouth: literally any explanation including that I didn't do it simply will not wash. I should buried up my neck in a ditch like Bohemond VII until I recant of appearing to really thick people of threatening Ian Mixter, a man whose intelligence shines light wherever he goes. Down with me!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 29, 2017 14:17:01 GMT
And down with this kind of thing, too.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 14:25:34 GMT
No one threatened his family on here, or did I miss something?! I think it was me. Sarcasm, tongue in cheek or even faggot in mouth: literally any explanation including that I didn't do it simply will not wash. I should buried up my neck in a ditch like Bohemond VII until I recant of appearing to really thick people of threatening Ian Mixter, a man whose intelligence shines light wherever he goes.
Down with me! Well it shines until he attends a meeting with OxVox and suddenly the light got a bit faded!
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 14:27:17 GMT
Still a fans favourite though, how many other safety officers have their own song.
Yellow and blue- down the line Yellow and blue- Ian mixter . La la Lala la la lala
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Post by Bue Guado on Aug 29, 2017 20:26:03 GMT
Still a fans favourite though, how many other safety officers have their own song. Yellow and blue- down the line Yellow and blue- Ian mixter . La la Lala la la lala Brilliant.
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Post by sarge on Aug 31, 2017 16:51:08 GMT
I've received a response from FSF 're implications arising from the Oxvox crowd safety management forum.
I've forwarded the response on to Jem for consideration (& circulation) initially within Oxvox committee.
I'm unable to cut and paste the email response via the device I'm currently using.
Very briefly, 'We're right to be concerned regarding the legal implications, and for that matter legality of the 'announced ox tales rogues gallery database potential for use by stewards at oufc home games.
PC956 may be able to provide some information regarding databases of risk supporters, as there is a policing document on the subject
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 1, 2017 17:07:50 GMT
Where is Block 13 in the East Stand as the possible Ultras area?
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Post by Barts on Sept 1, 2017 17:15:45 GMT
Where is Block 13 in the East Stand as the possible Ultras area? First rule of block 13... Never talk about block 13....
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 1, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
Where is Block 13 in the East Stand as the possible Ultras area? To the left of block 12
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Post by makv on Sept 1, 2017 17:42:07 GMT
Where is Block 13 in the East Stand as the possible Ultras area? On the right, on the right, on the right of block 14
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Post by pc956 on Sept 1, 2017 18:17:22 GMT
I've received a response from FSF 're implications arising from the Oxvox crowd safety management forum. I've forwarded the response on to Jem for consideration (& circulation) initially within Oxvox committee. I'm unable to cut and paste the email response via the device I'm currently using. Very briefly, 'We're right to be concerned regarding the legal implications, and for that matter legality of the 'announced ox tales rogues gallery database potential for use by stewards at oufc home games. PC956 may be able to provide some information regarding databases of risk supporters, as there is a policing document on the subject Evening Sarge. Apologies for the tardiness. I've been off today. Except for a trip to the plastic club tomorrow I'm not back in until Tuesday and I know you'll want a comprehensive answer. Before the minutes went out I did type an input that may clear any muddy waters in relation to TVP and this issue. Actually twice I emailed and haven't had any response to date from OxVox. We have an information sharing agreement with the club which they and ourselves sign yearly. This can include images of persons banned at court. We as a force are regulated on the retention and usefulness of images taken. I've asked our legal department for a more in depth answer. Once I have you'll have it. I've looked at the images on the app and I appreciate why some people may not like it. However, the people on there are there for a reason, either due to their ban,behaviour at a recent fixture or perceived involvement in an inciden at the club. It's not just for the sake of it I can assure you. As soon as I hear from legal I'll get back to you.
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