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Post by foley on Jul 26, 2017 7:41:13 GMT
I have never particularly liked Spurs or Daniel Levy.
But fair play to them. As well as introducing Dier, Alli, Walker, Trippier, Rose to the Premiership and rather than spending what £130M on 3 full backs Spurs have been introducing four academy players against Roma and Paris St Germain. The transfer fees at the moment are ridiculous.
I know that it is all about success, but well done Pochettino and I almost hope that Spurs win the league next season.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jul 26, 2017 8:18:44 GMT
Couldn't agree more. This spurs team coming through could be the backbone of the England team for years to come. Young, well coached, hungry players who know they have a chance of making the team. They have also shown this model can be successful in the league. Sure they will invest in some expensive talent where they need, but I do like the way they do business and play their football.
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Post by cj on Jul 26, 2017 8:47:17 GMT
Man Utd to win the league...
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Post by unification on Jul 26, 2017 9:16:55 GMT
I think for the first time in my lifetime I’ve never felt so divorced or disillusioned with top flight football. Perhaps it’s an age thing that’s caught up with me, but I’m more likely to blame a football culture that’s completely alien to what I’ve grown up watching.
The fees received are now horrific. Manchester City spending fees that could bail out Greece for three full backs (you can only play two of them!) and some of the totals for players that just aren’t ‘worth’ that much.
£25m for Jordan Pickford, Mohamad Salah for £34m and Kyle Walker – a defender who can’t defend – for £45m. Value and worth are all relative, but seriously?!
No one really likes Manchester United (jealous of their success and derision over their non-Manchester based fans are the main reasons), but at least under SAF they mixed their transfer policy with promoting youth team players. Under Jose Mourinho, those days are gone and now we have ludicrous fees for Lukaku and Pogba. The latter with his stupid haircut and ‘dab’ move epitomise the running cliché in the game – ‘everything that is wrong with football’.
The thing is, the blame is all on us. We consume football. We pay for Sky, BT Sport and Virgin packages to watch multi-millionaires rake in money for multi-billionaires. We sit and watch pre-season friendlies in Malaysia and Hong Kong to see how our team are doing because we like to show how ‘loyal’ we are lest anyone question our commitment, without realising that these games are entirely about money and selling shirts to impressionable foreign markets. How many genuine London-based Chelsea and Arsenal fans could afford the time and money to go their recent game in China? Very few, I imagine.
We’re all to blame for this mess and I include myself too. I’ll earmark the Oxford games I’ll make this season but also throw my support behind some local non-league sides. They need my support more than any professional side out there.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 26, 2017 9:54:18 GMT
To sum it all up, it's nothing more than young billionaire Arab sheikhs comparing todgers.
Would be very interesting to see how Man City get around the FFP, considering they've spent about £200 million this summer, yet have only recopued £15 million for Nolito and Kolarov.
And it looks like it can get worse, with Real Madrid reported to have agreed a transfer fee of £160 million fo Kylian Mbappe, and PSG reported to be willing to meet the Release Clause for Neymar at a mere £195 million!
You could buy a hospital for that price, or two DUP MPs.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 26, 2017 10:07:31 GMT
To sum it all up, it's nothing more than young billionaire Arab sheikhs comparing todgers. Would be very interesting to see how Man City get around the FFP, considering they've spent about £200 million this summer, yet have only recopued £15 million for Nolito and Kolarov. And it looks like it can get worse, with Real Madrid reported to have agreed a transfer fee of £160 million fo Kylian Mbappe, and PSG reported to be willing to meet the Release Clause for Neymar at a mere £195 million! You could buy a hospital for that price, or two DUP MPs. According to Sky Sports yesterday, Monaco were denying any agreement for Mbappe. It could have changed since of course. Agree with your top point.
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Post by mooro on Jul 26, 2017 10:25:02 GMT
I think for the first time in my lifetime I’ve never felt so divorced or disillusioned with top flight football. Perhaps it’s an age thing that’s caught up with me, but I’m more likely to blame a football culture that’s completely alien to what I’ve grown up watching. That's why I 'converted' to OUFC in the first place many years ago. I grew up in the Midlands as a Villa fan, but it was only when I moved to Headington and really picked up on how hand to mouth Oxford were at the time, that I found that far more appealing than a club able to throw a million or two at a problem as soon as it arose - and that was quite a while back now (20 years or so), so the explosion over the last year or so has just taken everything to a new level of disbelief. You could basically divide every aspect by a factor of 10 and no-one would be inconvenienced in the slightest. Take Walker, just as an example - transfer for £5.4m, wages of say £15k/week instead of £150 or whatever would ponly match the fee he would have commanded maybe two years ago, and I hardly think the poor lamb would be heading off to the food bank earning JUST £750k in a year. For a long time Man U were my favourite of the big teams, purely because they did at least bring through some youngsters amidst the big buys, and like you, that preference is tipping over to Spurs for much the same reason now. I'd love to see wage caps, fee caps, budget caps, agent caps etc, but it will (and probably legally (if not practically)) never happen, so I guess it is just a matter of riding out the wave until the TV deals inevitably head south and then picking up the pieces of whichever clubs gambled too much to keep up - who is going to be the Leeds of the next collapse I wonder?
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Post by bigronaldo on Jul 26, 2017 10:28:09 GMT
There is no denying that spurs have put in place a fine academy. They have benefited from incredible amounts of money that spin around in the top flight. Added to the ludicrous piles of money dished out for just being there, they have generally bought cheap and sold high on many transfers over the years. As with all premiership teams, they really should have the resources to make their academies great.
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Post by Junior on Jul 26, 2017 10:58:13 GMT
I think for the first time in my lifetime I’ve never felt so divorced or disillusioned with top flight football. Perhaps it’s an age thing that’s caught up with me, but I’m more likely to blame a football culture that’s completely alien to what I’ve grown up watching. The fees received are now horrific. Manchester City spending fees that could bail out Greece for three full backs (you can only play two of them!) and some of the totals for players that just aren’t ‘worth’ that much. £25m for Jordan Pickford, Mohamad Salah for £34m and Kyle Walker – a defender who can’t defend – for £45m. Value and worth are all relative, but seriously?! No one really likes Manchester United (jealous of their success and derision over their non-Manchester based fans are the main reasons), but at least under SAF they mixed their transfer policy with promoting youth team players. Under Jose Mourinho, those days are gone and now we have ludicrous fees for Lukaku and Pogba. The latter with his stupid haircut and ‘dab’ move epitomise the running cliché in the game – ‘everything that is wrong with football’. The thing is, the blame is all on us. We consume football. We pay for Sky, BT Sport and Virgin packages to watch multi-millionaires rake in money for multi-billionaires. We sit and watch pre-season friendlies in Malaysia and Hong Kong to see how our team are doing because we like to show how ‘loyal’ we are lest anyone question our commitment, without realising that these games are entirely about money and selling shirts to impressionable foreign markets. How many genuine London-based Chelsea and Arsenal fans could afford the time and money to go their recent game in China? Very few, I imagine. We’re all to blame for this mess and I include myself too. I’ll earmark the Oxford games I’ll make this season but also throw my support behind some local non-league sides. They need my support more than any professional side out there. Man Utd played more academy players than anyone else last season... So not sure that stands up.. Rashford and Lingard are regulars and are both full England internationals.. The lower leagues are littered with numerous players who've come through the set up at OT.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 26, 2017 11:45:32 GMT
For the first time ever, I'm rolling without Sky and BT Sport this year. Enough is enough.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 26, 2017 12:21:47 GMT
For the first time ever, I'm rolling without Sky and BT Sport this year. Enough is enough. I'm going through the motions of removing channels from Sky Sports. I've realised that I can cope without football and if I feel the need, I can find it on the radio. It's all become a waste of money supporting Sky and BTs wallet waving
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 26, 2017 17:45:15 GMT
Don't see the big deal, the money has been silly since the 90s so addding another nought on it makes no difference, and if a few Arab billionaires want to p*ss their money up the wall on one silly thing (football) rather than another silly thing then that's their business. At least this season their will be even more ridiculous waste of money players to watch alongside Pogba.
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Post by tonyw on Jul 26, 2017 18:07:35 GMT
Spurs already have an excellent squad, good enough to finish 2nd last year, and the only player they've lost from it is Walker - who a) was probably going to lose playing time to Trippier anyway and b) was insanely overvalued by Man City - so they'll still have a good chance to make some noise in the Premier League this year. For all the reasons above, I'll also be glad if they do.
With the new TV deal + the Champions League group stage guaranteed + that aforementioned 45m+ for Walker, they'd probably make a nine figure profit this year, as it stands. Of course, they've also got 800m in costs for their new stadium to pay off.......
In the current day and age, crazy as it is to say, I don't think that 75m for Lukaku is that bad. If he stays fit, he's proven he's a 20-25 goal a year striker at the top level.
Man City's spending, however, is ridiculous. If they don't win the league after spending that amount of cash, Guardiola is going to get fired - and it's going to be with good cause, for once.
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Post by tonyw on Jul 26, 2017 18:13:18 GMT
I'd love to see wage caps, fee caps, budget caps, agent caps etc, but it will (and probably legally (if not practically)) never happen, so I guess it is just a matter of riding out the wave until the TV deals inevitably head south and then picking up the pieces of whichever clubs gambled too much to keep up - who is going to be the Leeds of the next collapse I wonder? You're never going to see any form of wage cap, whilst promotion/relegation still exist. The richest clubs are never going to agree to concede their massive financial advantage if there's a danger that they're going to end up in the Championship the following season. Wage caps work in American sports, but only because they are closed leagues. I - and I think most people - would hate to see promotion/relegation disappear even more than we hate the current financial disparity.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 26, 2017 18:54:49 GMT
I'd love to see wage caps, fee caps, budget caps, agent caps etc, but it will (and probably legally (if not practically)) never happen, so I guess it is just a matter of riding out the wave until the TV deals inevitably head south and then picking up the pieces of whichever clubs gambled too much to keep up - who is going to be the Leeds of the next collapse I wonder? You're never going to see any form of wage cap, whilst promotion/relegation still exist. The richest clubs are never going to agree to concede their massive financial advantage if there's a danger that they're going to end up in the Championship the following season. Wage caps work in American sports, but only because they are closed leagues. I - and I think most people - would hate to see promotion/relegation disappear even more than we hate the current financial disparity. They have wage caps in American sports and, despite no relegation and no international competition, they pay their sport stars even more money than they get in the prem. Fair play to the players if they can earn it, doesn't affect me and we would all jump on it if offered, it's envy that makes me people get huffy about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 19:23:55 GMT
Don't know about envy so much...more a perception of obvious poverty whilst those with footballing ability cream it
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 26, 2017 19:28:38 GMT
Don't know about envy so much...more a perception of obvious poverty whilst those with footballing ability cream it But plenty of people are rich, people don't harangue them for the poverty of others. If you win the lottery are you going to give it all away?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 21:22:11 GMT
I'm not suggesting that nor would I turn down a lottery win, although I would give away a lot to others I thought deserved it. The point to make is that those that work hardest deserve what they get. Im sure plenty on here and elsewhere would agree footballers don't work that hard for the multi millions they get
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 26, 2017 21:37:11 GMT
I'm not suggesting that nor would I turn down a lottery win, although I would give away a lot to others I thought deserved it. The point to make is that those that work hardest deserve what they get. Im sure plenty on here and elsewhere would agree footballers don't work that hard for the multi millions they get But that's never been true, you get paid silly money if you have an exceptional skill in a market that has lots of money but few people able to do it. A lot of people work hard and get f*ck all, that's supply and demand capitalism for you. Also, most top level footballers must of worked hard at some point to get as good at it as they are, relative to the general population they are all incredible. Plus loads do give money to charity, and it's their choice what they do with it. People seem to have a real problem with working class footballers making millions, they are not the worst example of misplaced wealth in this country by a long shot.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 27, 2017 6:13:50 GMT
I'm not suggesting that nor would I turn down a lottery win, although I would give away a lot to others I thought deserved it. The point to make is that those that work hardest deserve what they get. Im sure plenty on here and elsewhere would agree footballers don't work that hard for the multi millions they get But that's never been true, you get paid silly money if you have an exceptional skill in a market that has lots of money but few people able to do it. A lot of people work hard and get f*ck all, that's supply and demand capitalism for you. Also, most top level footballers must of worked hard at some point to get as good at it as they are, relative to the general population they are all incredible. Plus loads do give money to charity, and it's their choice what they do with it. People seem to have a real problem with working class footballers making millions, they are not the worst example of misplaced wealth in this country by a long shot. I would also add that whilst some players are extremely greedy, Sanchez at Arsenal being the most current example of this, I would put most of the blame down to the amount of money going in to football from companies such as Sky and BT. This is the reason players can get wages as high as they do.
It is also worth noting that footballers aren't even the top earning sports players in the world with only 3 footballers being in the top 20 of the richest sports stars and those 3 are Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar. www.forbes.com/athletes/list/#tab:overall
Money has ruined football from the top right down to non league where I would say some clubs in non league are just as bad as the big Premier League teams for over spending.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 27, 2017 6:58:19 GMT
I'm not suggesting that nor would I turn down a lottery win, although I would give away a lot to others I thought deserved it. The point to make is that those that work hardest deserve what they get. Im sure plenty on here and elsewhere would agree footballers don't work that hard for the multi millions they get But that's never been true, you get paid silly money if you have an exceptional skill in a market that has lots of money but few people able to do it. A lot of people work hard and get f*ck all, that's supply and demand capitalism for you. Also, most top level footballers must of worked hard at some point to get as good at it as they are, relative to the general population they are all incredible. Plus loads do give money to charity, and it's their choice what they do with it. People seem to have a real problem with working class footballers making millions, they are not the worst example of misplaced wealth in this country by a long shot. They give money to charity and set up their own foundations to avoid tax. What would you consider to be a worse example of misplaced wealth in this country?
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Post by bigronaldo on Jul 27, 2017 8:16:57 GMT
What I would say about footballers in general is that, purely from the amount of players that are discarded, each one that gets to play in the leagues is pretty special. If there is weakness of any kind in a player, then it will be exposed and they will slide out of football. We all consider that we could play better than some of the players we watch occasionally. The sad truth is though, at one point or another, we too were all discarded for one reason or another, as not being good enough. For most of us, that is why we are spectators!
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 27, 2017 8:27:26 GMT
But that's never been true, you get paid silly money if you have an exceptional skill in a market that has lots of money but few people able to do it. A lot of people work hard and get f*ck all, that's supply and demand capitalism for you. Also, most top level footballers must of worked hard at some point to get as good at it as they are, relative to the general population they are all incredible. Plus loads do give money to charity, and it's their choice what they do with it. People seem to have a real problem with working class footballers making millions, they are not the worst example of misplaced wealth in this country by a long shot. They give money to charity and set up their own foundations to avoid tax. What would you consider to be a worse example of misplaced wealth in this country? The Royal family. Loads and loads of rich people avoid paying tax so why single out footballers, plus Kyle Walker will pay much, much more tax than anyone on here, he essentially subsidises the rest of us. Also footballers spend their money, which if it wasn't for the premier league wouldn't even be in the country, like it's going out of fashion so at least it's trickling down. The premier league, and football in general is a massive money spinner for this country, much more than all the other sports. Footballers may be dickheads, but most young blokes with a few quid in their pocket are, they are an easy target for an envious moral majority middle class, all of whom would kill their mums to earn the same dosh.
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Post by iambungle on Jul 27, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
I'd love to see wage caps, fee caps, budget caps, agent caps etc, but it will (and probably legally (if not practically)) never happen, so I guess it is just a matter of riding out the wave until the TV deals inevitably head south and then picking up the pieces of whichever clubs gambled too much to keep up - who is going to be the Leeds of the next collapse I wonder? You're never going to see any form of wage cap, whilst promotion/relegation still exist. The richest clubs are never going to agree to concede their massive financial advantage if there's a danger that they're going to end up in the Championship the following season. Wage caps work in American sports, but only because they are closed leagues.
I - and I think most people - would hate to see promotion/relegation disappear even more than we hate the current financial disparity. Rugby League operates a salary cap in this country. Not sure about Union, but I think it does also? You're right - it will never happen in football though.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Jul 27, 2017 20:49:46 GMT
Mbappe to man city for world record fee been rumoured
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 27, 2017 20:53:08 GMT
That would p*ss on Real's chips.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 27, 2017 21:34:23 GMT
That would p*ss on Real's chips. When I went to watch Real Madrid their fans were eating big bags of nuts, not chips.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 28, 2017 7:59:29 GMT
That would p*ss on Real's chips. When I went to watch Real Madrid their fans were eating big bags of nuts, not chips. RACISTS
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Post by rickyotto on Aug 3, 2017 11:20:15 GMT
I think for the first time in my lifetime I’ve never felt so divorced or disillusioned with top flight football. Perhaps it’s an age thing that’s caught up with me, but I’m more likely to blame a football culture that’s completely alien to what I’ve grown up watching. The fees received are now horrific. Manchester City spending fees that could bail out Greece for three full backs (you can only play two of them!) and some of the totals for players that just aren’t ‘worth’ that much. £25m for Jordan Pickford, Mohamad Salah for £34m and Kyle Walker – a defender who can’t defend – for £45m. Value and worth are all relative, but seriously?! No one really likes Manchester United (jealous of their success and derision over their non-Manchester based fans are the main reasons), but at least under SAF they mixed their transfer policy with promoting youth team players. Under Jose Mourinho, those days are gone and now we have ludicrous fees for Lukaku and Pogba. The latter with his stupid haircut and ‘dab’ move epitomise the running cliché in the game – ‘everything that is wrong with football’. The thing is, the blame is all on us. We consume football. We pay for Sky, BT Sport and Virgin packages to watch multi-millionaires rake in money for multi-billionaires. We sit and watch pre-season friendlies in Malaysia and Hong Kong to see how our team are doing because we like to show how ‘loyal’ we are lest anyone question our commitment, without realising that these games are entirely about money and selling shirts to impressionable foreign markets. How many genuine London-based Chelsea and Arsenal fans could afford the time and money to go their recent game in China? Very few, I imagine. We’re all to blame for this mess and I include myself too. I’ll earmark the Oxford games I’ll make this season but also throw my support behind some local non-league sides. They need my support more than any professional side out there. I wouldn't say I'm disillusioned. I'd say I'm repulsed. I actually grew up going to Highbury until the age of ten as my dad was a season ticket holder there for decades and I was born and raised in London. I used to stand in the corner where the old Art Deco west stand met the North Bank terrace. I moved to Oxford aged ten and started going to games but still had a soft spot for Arsenal and me and my old man would sometimes still trundle down. In my 20s when I moved back to London for work I went o the odd game but mostly I'd do the 4-5 hour round trip for Oxford games. It's got to the stage now that I wouldn't bother changing the channel to watch an Arsenal game because the money has ruined the whole ethos and feeling for me. It's everything that's wrong with humanity that a player moves for $200m when that money could be used for something so productive. And I say that as someone who believes in moderates capitalism
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 4, 2017 6:55:00 GMT
I don't see the problem with Sky and the money they pump into the game. Before they came along football was dying on its feet,matches were being played in half empty,old,run down and frankly dangerous stadiums . Does anyone think,that without Sky Arsenal would be playing at the Emirates,Leicester at the King Power and Spurs spending a Billion on a new stadium ? Does anyone think that Ronaldo,Coutinho,Sanchez and YaYa etc would have played in England without the dosh ? You might say "good it will give English players a chance" Well going back to the OP, how many of Kane,Ali,Rose etc would be playing abroad if due to no Sky money they were on 10k a week instead of 100k in Italy ? Back in the 80s/90s Italy had all the money,so that's where the best (and distinctly average) went,David Platt,Trevor Francis and Butch Wilkins,decent enough players,but hardly superstars all became rich due to bags full of Lira. It also filters down,with people buying clubs with the hope of owning a team that gets to the PL,paying over the top for lower league players. If their was no Sky money does anyone think we would have got the money we did for Roofe an O'Dowda ? Money that was vital in guaranteeing the survival of OUFC. Everyone looks back with rose tinted specs,but I'm old enough to remember programmes at Oxford being made of normal paper because we couldn't afford the glossy stuff. That's what it was like before money from Sky was floating around. How many clubs would go to the wall without Sky ? How many players would play lower league football for £400 P.W. When brickies earn double that ? Do you want to go back to watching the likes of Archie White,John Doyle and Colin Duncan ? (no offence lads) money makes the world go round,Sky gives football that money.
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