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Post by bigronaldo on Jul 17, 2017 7:48:56 GMT
I see some mileage in this as lundstram, George baldock and Samir carruthers are big buddies. It may well be that this move might prove tempting for Lunny.
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Post by fat bloke on Jul 17, 2017 7:49:13 GMT
Players come and go and I'm afraid their is no loyalty like in the old days. He will probably go as now there is too much money now in the game and sorry to say Sheffield u are a bigger club with more potential and as always he's a northerner.
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Post by Junior on Jul 17, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
Anyone know if Lundstrum fully relocated to Oxford when he signed? Or is he Midlands based like a fair few?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 7:57:41 GMT
News doesn't look promising. If he does go I would think £750K looks possible. Let's trust Pep to bring in some more players. Probably need another three, striker, midfielder and defender.
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Post by Common Villager on Jul 17, 2017 8:09:26 GMT
It will be interesting to see whether or not he is involved on Wednesday.
If he is sold, I would hope it is for a lot more than £500k. Personally, I wouldn't accept less than £800k.
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Post by unification on Jul 17, 2017 8:26:58 GMT
Some thoughts.
£500k isn’t a bad offer. Considering Lunny is in the last year of his contract, it’s a fair one. I think had he had three years left on his deal we’d either be looking at something more substantial or Sheffield United would probably have been more careful in their approach.
What’s Sheffield United’s ambition for next year in the Championship? Storm through it like Norwich once they’d cantered to the League 1 title the previous season or to consolidate and establish themselves back in the second tier and build slowly? If it’s the former, then that’s a massive leap for Lundstram to take. If the former, he could be a good player to develop further.
To be honest, if I was an Oxford player with bids coming from all angles I think I’d have my head turned by some of them. Whilst having Pep in charge starts an exciting new era, the close season has been a frustrating one thus far and our signings suggest another season of League 1 football will be the sum total of the 2017-18 season. We’ve had too much upheaval to suggest that we’re going to do a lot and with a new manager could well take some time to get going again.
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Post by campbell on Jul 17, 2017 8:42:24 GMT
I think people are going to be in for a shock if they think we will be getting 1 million.
I would be very surprised if it isn't closer to 500K than it is 1 million.
Let's see how ambitious we want to be this year...
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 17, 2017 8:42:56 GMT
If you've got nothing to say then don't say anything at all ,instead of being a knob because I've said something that you don't necessarily agree with. A knob hmmm, I suppose your still at school which explains your comment.
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Post by isibuko on Jul 17, 2017 8:43:56 GMT
Some thoughts. £500k isn’t a bad offer. Considering Lunny is in the last year of his contract, it’s a fair one. I think had he had three years left on his deal we’d either be looking at something more substantial or Sheffield United would probably have been more careful in their approach. What’s Sheffield United’s ambition for next year in the Championship? Storm through it like Norwich once they’d cantered to the League 1 title the previous season or to consolidate and establish themselves back in the second tier and build slowly? If it’s the former, then that’s a massive leap for Lundstram to take. If the former, he could be a good player to develop further. To be honest, if I was an Oxford player with bids coming from all angles I think I’d have my head turned by some of them. Whilst having Pep in charge starts an exciting new era, the close season has been a frustrating one thus far and our signings suggest another season of League 1 football will be the sum total of the 2017-18 season. We’ve had too much upheaval to suggest that we’re going to do a lot and with a new manager could well take some time to get going again. Some interesting thoughts but I'm not sure I agree with your final paragraph. I think the close season has been frustrating from the outside but the team spirit within seems good, the players seem to like having Pep around and it could actually feel like a pretty exciting time to be an Oxford player. I think the signings we have made show that we are trying to build on last season's squad and add some experience which was lacking a bit last season, so at least playoffs have to be the aim. I don't disagree that Lunny's head might be turned by a bid from the Blades but equally he is captain here, it feels like momentum is building again and the way Pep seems to want to play the game seems to suit his style. His comments about when he was at Yeovil about style of play and never having the ball could be something he takes into consideration. (He'll probably be a Blades player by the end of the week....dammit)
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Post by foley on Jul 17, 2017 8:47:11 GMT
I think people are going to be in for a shock if they think we will be getting 1 million. I would be very surprised if it isn't closer to 500K than it is 1 million. Let's see how ambitious we want to be this year...I am not too sure that it has to do with ambition. If JL wants to go then I suspect that he will be off. If he was on a 3 year contract then it may be a bit different. DE suggested that he was going to try and get JL on a 3 year contract. I wonder what happened to that?
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Post by greatunclekip on Jul 17, 2017 9:17:03 GMT
Its a question of lower mid table in league 1 or play off push in the championship, with your best mates, on lots more money.
Toughie.
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Post by dolly on Jul 17, 2017 9:22:29 GMT
I would imagine that if there is a bid of around £750k-£1m that will be enough. What is the policy on outgoing transfers? I have heard the following from Darryl Eales and I am not sure which one we are working with:
"We don't have to sell players"
"The transfer model is that we have to sell one player a season"
and we won't stand in the way if someone wants to move on, which is fair enough.
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Post by KristapsGrebis on Jul 17, 2017 9:26:59 GMT
Yeah, can't hold it against Lunny if he wants to move on. This is business, looks like a good move for him. That said we should try and squeeze everything we can out of Sheff Utd, and £500k is not enough. £750k plus big add ons is where we should be looking.
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 17, 2017 9:31:09 GMT
Its a question of lower mid table in league 1 or play off push in the championship, with your best mates, on lots more money. Toughie. Sadly, I think we will be mid table at best - probably flirting with relegation. Deep down, I suspect the players also have the same concerns and the better ones will leave if they are offered more money and/or longer contacts elsewhere. I really hope to be proved wrong but I have nagging doubts about the 12 months ahead.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 17, 2017 9:32:22 GMT
I would imagine that if there is a bid of around £750k-£1m that will be enough. What is the policy on outgoing transfers? I have heard the following from Darryl Eales and I am not sure which one we are working with: "We don't have to sell players" "The transfer model is that we have to sell one player a season" and we won't stand in the way if someone wants to move on, which is fair enough. He doesn't want to harm another team by affecting their transfer targets
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Post by foley on Jul 17, 2017 9:37:33 GMT
Its a question of lower mid table in league 1 or play off push in the championship, with your best mates, on lots more money. Toughie. Sadly, I think we will be mid table at best - probably flirting with relegation. Deep down, I suspect the players also have the same concerns and the better ones will leave if they are offered more money and/or longer contacts elsewhere. I really hope to be proved wrong but I have nagging doubts about the 12 months ahead. Really? why?
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Post by barryspang on Jul 17, 2017 9:40:48 GMT
Personally, I think the offer is a little bit too low, ideally I'd be looking at 750k upfront plus clauses/add ons in today's market.
I also don't think losing Lunny is the disaster that some make it out to be. People saying he was a key player for us last season have short memories. He wasn't even in our top 5 performers in my opinion. I think he can be a classy player at this level but certainly not irreplaceable. Let's not forget he was dropped by MApp at one point last season as he was struggling so much. If he's given the option to go, he will definitely take it. It's a no brainer. More money, bigger club, higher division, back up north, mates already play there. If he does go we have a ready made replacement for the captaincy in Nelson. As for replacing him position wise, I'd suggest looking at players such as Luke Berry at Cambridge or Matt Grimes from Swansea. We could probably get Berry, offer Maguire a bit more money to get his deal over the line and still have a decent chunk left over.
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Post by outsidethebox on Jul 17, 2017 10:00:56 GMT
Sadly, I think we will be mid table at best - probably flirting with relegation. Deep down, I suspect the players also have the same concerns and the better ones will leave if they are offered more money and/or longer contacts elsewhere. I really hope to be proved wrong but I have nagging doubts about the 12 months ahead. Really? why? Rightly or wrongly I believe our blueprint for success this season revolved around Appleton - his reputation, man management, call it what you will. Targets went elsewhere one that was in doubt. The guy to Barnsley may be understandable but I really thought we would get McAleny. My impression is that we've done our business on the cheap so far. No buzz signings like Roofe in 2015 and Maguire followed by Hemmings and Johnson in 2016. There are deeper concerns about the way the club is being run which others have expressed elsewhere more eloquently that I can. My opinion is that this season is make or break for Eales. I really hope he has got it right. However, I will be using my 44th consecutive season ticket more in hope than expectation. Of course, a couple of key signings in the next week and my perspective of the dynamic may change. In the meantime time I can only call it on the current snapshot. So, to provide balance, what's your current view?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jul 17, 2017 10:19:55 GMT
So, to provide balance, what's your current view? Of the signings so far: Henry looks like he will be an excellent addition. Kelleher - I was quite impressed with what I saw at Oxford City. Shearer is a competent benchwarmer/backup. Raglan - we all know he up to the job. Tiendalli - none of us have the faintest idea, but he hasn't played for 2 years! A total gamble. Obika - pretty much a journeyman striker IMO. 10-12 goals in a league season if he stays fit. If Johnson and Lundstram stay we have the basis for an exciting team (short of a top striker however), although a bit thin in meaningful numbers - mind you, the OWS has us at 31 members of the first team squad! That does include five keepers, Maguire (!), Giles, Roberts, Baptise and Graham though. If Johnson AND Lundstram go then we have a big hole on the left and another in the middle. I think if we started with the squad we have now, we would be upper mid-table - perhaps on the fringes of the play-offs. There aren't enough goals or invention in the central striking areas and little strength in depth in various positions. I don't think we have a proper right winger (Hall and Rothwell aren't wingers), we need to play Johnson - if he stays - further forward to make the most of him, so a proper left hand defensive player is required as well. And a striker with more guile, trickery and self-confidence than we have at the moment. All of that and we would be play-off bound. If we lose a Johnson and Lundstram and don't replace them properly, we will struggle - they are the two players who make things happen most often.
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Post by manorlounger on Jul 17, 2017 10:54:59 GMT
Let's face facts. We don't have the financial clout to withstand offers for players. If our good players get an offer of higher income and a higher profile from going elsewhere, then that's that.
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Post by oxfordyankee on Jul 17, 2017 11:00:01 GMT
Either he signs a new, fair, long-term contract or get rid now.
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Post by captainox on Jul 17, 2017 11:25:49 GMT
Raised this point when Appleton left. There was a story in the OM on 29th April about talks had begun to get Lunny on a long term deal. Appleton went to Leciester about two months after this and nothing announced on a new contract for JL.
I do wonder if his agent has advised him not to sign anything on the basis that it forces OUFC into a tough position. Do we cash in for a sum that is below what we should be getting for him or do we take the risk, reject all bids and hope that come January, our league position is in the promotion mix so that JL is prepared to wait until the end of the season to decide his future. Hopefully with us in the Champ.
500k would be an utter steal but I can't see us getting any more than a million because of his contract situation. And if teams from a higher league ar starting to circle, he ain't going to be signing a new one here anytime soon. Not without a daft pay increase.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Jul 17, 2017 11:34:02 GMT
He's worth more than £500k.
I'd rather keep Johnson than Lunny though .
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Post by pottersrightboot on Jul 17, 2017 11:35:00 GMT
So, to provide balance, what's your current view? Of the signings so far: Henry looks like he will be an excellent addition. Kelleher - I was quite impressed with what I saw at Oxford City. Shearer is a competent benchwarmer/backup. Raglan - we all know he up to the job. Tiendalli - none of us have the faintest idea, but he hasn't played for 2 years! A total gamble. Obika - pretty much a journeyman striker IMO. 10-12 goals in a league season if he stays fit. If Johnson and Lundstram stay we have the basis for an exciting team (short of a top striker however), although a bit thin in meaningful numbers - mind you, the OWS has us at 31 members of the first team squad! That does include five keepers, Maguire (!), Giles, Roberts, Baptise and Graham though. If Johnson AND Lundstram go then we have a big hole on the left and another in the middle. I think if we started with the squad we have now, we would be upper mid-table - perhaps on the fringes of the play-offs. There aren't enough goals or invention in the central striking areas and little strength in depth in various positions. I don't think we have a proper right winger (Hall and Rothwell aren't wingers), we need to play Johnson - if he stays - further forward to make the most of him, so a proper left hand defensive player is required as well. And a striker with more guile, trickery and self-confidence than we have at the moment. All of that and we would be play-off bound. If we lose a Johnson and Lundstram and don't replace them properly, we will struggle - they are the two players who make things happen most often. How can anyone conclude anything about our new signings yet? It's 17th July ffs😉
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jul 17, 2017 11:39:32 GMT
When may posters express their opinions then, Mr Burrett?
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Post by yellowbow on Jul 17, 2017 12:02:13 GMT
At the end of the day the main reason we're able to attract talented young players is because we say we won't stand in their way when offers come in from teams in higher divisions. It's the essence of our business model.
What Lunny has to consider is whether if he holds on another 12 months, gets his head down and helps us have a successful season, will he get that big offer from a premier league club. The same situation that Appleton spoke of re O'Dowda
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jul 17, 2017 12:17:49 GMT
I suppose it's going to take time for Pepsi to assemble Apples' reputation and track record for developing yoof, so maybe your somewhat reductive list of reasons is not so far from accurate.
Problem with waiting 12 months is that it now looks very much like we're consilidating (again) rather than going for promotion and for the young gentleman in a hurry to get on with his career that makes staying less appealing than it was at the start of the summer.
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Post by bigcrompy on Jul 17, 2017 12:26:02 GMT
Its a question of a guaranteed starting place and captaincy, and the eternal adulation of the fans of a team that finished eighth in league 1 last year, and who could be anything this year; or a likely struggle for a starting place and more likely the bench with a team most likely to be in mid-table obscurity in the Championship, with your best mates, on lots more money. Toughie. There; corrected it for you.
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Post by socrates on Jul 17, 2017 12:34:16 GMT
This thread has opened the eyes a bit
I think some are in for a nasty shock re jl. 500k for a Lge 1 midfielder without pace and who walks for nowt in 12 months is a very good deal. That is if it is 500k. I read that as being our valuation rather than a bid made.
I'd say it's also time people got real re our prospects this season. It would be an amazing feat for this current squad to improve on last season. Recruitment has clearly been difficult but we're about par.
Pep will need a full season to stamp his authority on affairs. Get his own players in and tweak the culture. In that regard it may be worth selling Johnson too so that rebuilding can start ASAP, rather than it hindering us next close season
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Post by dubaiyellow on Jul 17, 2017 12:49:43 GMT
We can handle life after Lundstram (if it happens) All this talk of mid-table and consolidation...Surely we are looking better than that?. Im happy so far with the new signings, with Thomas looking sharp and Hemmings on a diet, providing we dont lose our best, and a couple thrown in for good measure - whats not to like? This team will get better - Play offs as a minimum for me
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