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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 27, 2017 20:56:52 GMT
Would really like to see obika and Thomas have a run of games together at some point. I think they would compliment each other well. I would too but how do you fit them in? Only way i could think of doing it is going 442 and playing Payne on the wing without dropping Payne. Only other way is 352 but don't want that until Raglan is fit.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 27, 2017 21:06:40 GMT
Would really like to see obika and Thomas have a run of games together at some point. I think they would compliment each other well. I would too but how do you fit them in? Only way i could think of doing it is going 442 and playing Payne on the wing without dropping Payne. Only other way is 352 but don't want that until Raglan is fit. Yep difficult at the moment with the players available and who you would have to drop.
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Post by oxfordboy on Nov 28, 2017 0:53:27 GMT
Random bump ha but he's proved me and a lot of others wrong I said he should be our 3rd choice forward and nothing more... I am an idiot I like the guy but to be fair he is essentially our second choice striker out of a choice of two (assuming you don’t count Roberts). I was talking about Wes mate Probably would have made sense for me to quote the guy above me lol
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Post by MJB on Nov 28, 2017 8:21:22 GMT
I like the guy but to be fair he is essentially our second choice striker out of a choice of two (assuming you don’t count Roberts). I was talking about Wes mate Probably would have made sense for me to quote the guy above me lol Ah sorry, ignore me!
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Post by highlights on Nov 28, 2017 18:30:47 GMT
I was having a think about Payne recently with some colleagues.
The long and short of it is, the team is shaped to fit around him. Now when he's playing well, that's fine. He's clearly the best technical footballer at the club.
But it's become apparent that quite often he either a) has a bad game or b) teams adapt a 'stop Payne at all costs' system. Then it gets problematic.
Essentially the only role Payne can play effectively is ACM - or a second forward - let's examine how that plays out across the team:
- He needs a big forward alongside him. Someone to buy him space. Either someone stretching the line, running off the shoulder (Wes and GVK) or an aerial battering ram (Obika). - If we were to play 4-4-2 Payne would have to do a lot more dirty work in a midfield pairing, which wouldn't be effective. The only way around this would be a midfield 3 - which means no wingers. (Considering our options right now, I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-1-2)
So when Payne plays, we have to play certain type of striker alongside him, to make space for him, and we have to play at least two midfielders behind him. It sort of ties Pep's hands a bit.
The brave thing to do is to drop Payne from time to time when required. Then we could have a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or more or less anything you want. But when people ask: 'why do we always play one up top?' the short answer is we have to if we want to get the best out of Payne.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 28, 2017 19:31:38 GMT
I was having a think about Payne recently with some colleagues. The long and short of it is, the team is shaped to fit around him. Now when he's playing well, that's fine. He's clearly the best technical footballer at the club. But it's become apparent that quite often he either a) has a bad game or b) teams adapt a 'stop Payne at all costs' system. Then it gets problematic. Essentially the only role Payne can play effectively is ACM - or a second forward - let's examine how that plays out across the team: - He needs a big forward alongside him. Someone to buy him space. Either someone stretching the line, running off the shoulder (Wes and GVK) or an aerial battering ram (Obika). - If we were to play 4-4-2 Payne would have to do a lot more dirty work in a midfield pairing, which wouldn't be effective. The only way around this would be a midfield 3 - which means no wingers. (Considering our options right now, I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-1-2) So when Payne plays, we have to play certain type of striker alongside him, to make space for him, and we have to play at least two midfielders behind him. It sort of ties Pep's hands a bit. The brave thing to do is to drop Payne from time to time when required. Then we could have a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or more or less anything you want. But when people ask: 'why do we always play one up top?' the short answer is we have to if we want to get the best out of Payne. Another option is to play 4-4-2 with Payne on the left, admittedly not his best position, but he's good enough to be quite effective there. Eastwood Tiendalli, Williamson Mousinho, Ricardinho Henry, Ledson/Xemi, Ruffles, Payne Thomas, Obika We know that Henry is better on the right. Payne is left footed so play him on the left and you can be sure he'll work hard and help out defensively. So you have Tiendalli, Henry and Ledson/Xemi all right footed in one triangle, with the left footers Ricardinho, Ruffels and Payne on the left hand side of the pitch. Certainly highlights our lack of pace throughout the team though and lack of genuine wingers.
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Post by charliesghost on Dec 5, 2017 11:31:10 GMT
I was having a think about Payne recently with some colleagues. The long and short of it is, the team is shaped to fit around him. Now when he's playing well, that's fine. He's clearly the best technical footballer at the club. But it's become apparent that quite often he either a) has a bad game or b) teams adapt a 'stop Payne at all costs' system. Then it gets problematic. Essentially the only role Payne can play effectively is ACM - or a second forward - let's examine how that plays out across the team: - He needs a big forward alongside him. Someone to buy him space. Either someone stretching the line, running off the shoulder (Wes and GVK) or an aerial battering ram (Obika). - If we were to play 4-4-2 Payne would have to do a lot more dirty work in a midfield pairing, which wouldn't be effective. The only way around this would be a midfield 3 - which means no wingers. (Considering our options right now, I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-1-2) So when Payne plays, we have to play certain type of striker alongside him, to make space for him, and we have to play at least two midfielders behind him. It sort of ties Pep's hands a bit. The brave thing to do is to drop Payne from time to time when required. Then we could have a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or more or less anything you want. But when people ask: 'why do we always play one up top?' the short answer is we have to if we want to get the best out of Payne. Yup, that is certainly true. I don't see any evidence that he would be anything more than a jobbing left winger so he has to play 'in the hole'. But one option would be to play 4312, with full backs providing width. I suspect that that might make us more solid. At the moment we have four outfield players out of 10 who do not very much when we dont have the ball and we look porous as a result. Having conceded 1 goal in our first three games since then we've been letting them in for fun, so - for me - a priority has to be for us to become harder to beat.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Dec 6, 2017 22:12:57 GMT
I was having a think about Payne recently with some colleagues. The long and short of it is, the team is shaped to fit around him. Now when he's playing well, that's fine. He's clearly the best technical footballer at the club. But it's become apparent that quite often he either a) has a bad game or b) teams adapt a 'stop Payne at all costs' system. Then it gets problematic. Essentially the only role Payne can play effectively is ACM - or a second forward - let's examine how that plays out across the team: - He needs a big forward alongside him. Someone to buy him space. Either someone stretching the line, running off the shoulder (Wes and GVK) or an aerial battering ram (Obika). - If we were to play 4-4-2 Payne would have to do a lot more dirty work in a midfield pairing, which wouldn't be effective. The only way around this would be a midfield 3 - which means no wingers. (Considering our options right now, I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-1-2) So when Payne plays, we have to play certain type of striker alongside him, to make space for him, and we have to play at least two midfielders behind him. It sort of ties Pep's hands a bit. The brave thing to do is to drop Payne from time to time when required. Then we could have a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or more or less anything you want. But when people ask: 'why do we always play one up top?' the short answer is we have to if we want to get the best out of Payne. Another option is to play 4-4-2 with Payne on the left, admittedly not his best position, but he's good enough to be quite effective there. Eastwood Tiendalli, Williamson Mousinho, Ricardinho Henry, Ledson/Xemi, Ruffles, Payne Thomas, Obika We know that Henry is better on the right. Payne is left footed so play him on the left and you can be sure he'll work hard and help out defensively. So you have Tiendalli, Henry and Ledson/Xemi all right footed in one triangle, with the left footers Ricardinho, Ruffels and Payne on the left hand side of the pitch. Certainly highlights our lack of pace throughout the team though and lack of genuine wingers. Understand your logic, but you do not put your best player in a position he isn't best. We wouldn't play Curtis Nelson full back even though he's probably half decent there!
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