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Post by malcolmnl on Jun 23, 2017 3:43:13 GMT
Too late for that. I'm beyond hope.
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Post by arthurturner on Jun 23, 2017 4:41:01 GMT
So MAPP has gone. It was inevitable as we have had one of the best managers ever. apart from some possibly strange decisions in the first few months of his tenure we have seen nothong but exciting football and some fantastic players. I wish him the very best for the future and hope that he is proud to have Oxford on his CV. Thank you MAPP for everything you have done for OUFC. Now a thought about going to be the number 2 instead of #1. Are you sitting comfortably, I'm going to tell you a little story. Many years ago I had a great career in the early days of computing. Because I was (trying not to boast here) technically very good at my job I had very quick promotions through the ranks until I arrived at the position of manager. As I feared, being a manager frightened the hell out of me. Too much elbow work from other departmental managers just looking after themselves and not working for the good of the company ( a very large employer in Oxford now unfortunately gone). This attitude frightened me and made me very angry at times. Eventually I quit the post and started in another, completely different, trade. But after 3 years I was approached by the old company to return as the department number 2. Because the money was much better than what I was earning I accepted with crossed fingers. This turned out to be a wise move. I then spent the rest of my working life as number 2 for various companies in the UK and Holland. And I can honestly say that being a number 2 was very good. No problems with managers of other departments and much respect from the teams under me. Now MAPP is #2 on very good money in his new job but with much less hassle. Maybe, just maybe, this also played a roll in his decision. He has stated that he is very ambitious and I'm sure he will go on to be a top manager (unlike me). But just taking a step backwards in my career did not harm me at all, maybe he had similar thoughts. Boring life history I know, but this thought has been in my head since the Leicester rumours started and I just have to get it off my chest. Please feel free to criticise this but remember it's just my take on things. Think you need counselling I can empathise with your tale. Provided you have a number 1 above you who doesn't dump on you then number 2 can be a much less stressful to be.
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Post by derek on Jun 23, 2017 16:33:24 GMT
Think you need counselling I can empathise with your tale. Provided you have a number 1 above you who doesn't dump on you then number 2 can be a much less stressful to be. The Peter Principle - tricky coming down from No 1 in many environments but best for all concerned if it can be done. Not sure it applies to MApp, will have to see how it pans out for him.
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Post by manorman on Jun 24, 2017 19:34:55 GMT
So MAPP has gone. It was inevitable as we have had one of the best managers ever. apart from some possibly strange decisions in the first few months of his tenure we have seen nothong but exciting football and some fantastic players. I wish him the very best for the future and hope that he is proud to have Oxford on his CV. Thank you MAPP for everything you have done for OUFC. Now a thought about going to be the number 2 instead of #1. Are you sitting comfortably, I'm going to tell you a little story. Many years ago I had a great career in the early days of computing. Because I was (trying not to boast here) technically very good at my job I had very quick promotions through the ranks until I arrived at the position of manager. As I feared, being a manager frightened the hell out of me. Too much elbow work from other departmental managers just looking after themselves and not working for the good of the company ( a very large employer in Oxford now unfortunately gone). This attitude frightened me and made me very angry at times. Eventually I quit the post and started in another, completely different, trade. But after 3 years I was approached by the old company to return as the department number 2. Because the money was much better than what I was earning I accepted with crossed fingers. This turned out to be a wise move. I then spent the rest of my working life as number 2 for various companies in the UK and Holland. And I can honestly say that being a number 2 was very good. No problems with managers of other departments and much respect from the teams under me. Now MAPP is #2 on very good money in his new job but with much less hassle. Maybe, just maybe, this also played a roll in his decision. He has stated that he is very ambitious and I'm sure he will go on to be a top manager (unlike me). But just taking a step backwards in my career did not harm me at all, maybe he had similar thoughts. Boring life history I know, but this thought has been in my head since the Leicester rumours started and I just have to get it off my chest. Please feel free to criticise this but remember it's just my take on things. Hi Malcolm. I can vouch for the first part as I was there. However I left before you reached the higher echelons. That said agree with your OUFC comments.
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 24, 2017 20:32:50 GMT
Does anyone remember an interview with one of the players close to the end of the season? I think it was with Lunny, and he said, or alluded to making sure that we keep the manager? Just seemed at the time to be a strange thing to say and now I wonder if he might have got wind of the situation even then?
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Post by TheNewManor on Jun 24, 2017 20:35:53 GMT
The Dunks tweet always stands out in my mind 'so much to say but i'll keep it professional'.
I might be way off - but it did send alarm bells ringing for me. It might have been he was just unhappy with his offer but I took it as a reflection on events unfolding at the club.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 24, 2017 20:41:31 GMT
Does anyone remember an interview with one of the players close to the end of the season? I think it was with Lunny, and he said, or alluded to making sure that we keep the manager? Just seemed at the time to be a strange thing to say and now I wonder if he might have got wind of the situation even then? Maguire also said similar
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 24, 2017 20:43:57 GMT
Does anyone remember an interview with one of the players close to the end of the season? I think it was with Lunny, and he said, or alluded to making sure that we keep the manager? Just seemed at the time to be a strange thing to say and now I wonder if he might have got wind of the situation even then? Maguire also said similar It might well have been Maguire who said it such is my memory!
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 24, 2017 20:46:07 GMT
The Dunks tweet always stands out in my mind 'so much to say but i'll keep it professional'.
I might be way off - but it did send alarm bells ringing for me. It might have been he was just unhappy with his offer but I took it as a reflection on events unfolding at the club.
Wonder if we'll get the full story of this sometime down the road?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 24, 2017 20:47:29 GMT
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 24, 2017 21:02:58 GMT
Well there you go oufcyellows. I'm not so senile after all! It did seem to be a little weird that?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 24, 2017 21:39:40 GMT
I can't find the Maguire one, I think it may have been on the pitch at the last game radio interview. But he said something along the same lines.
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Post by horseman on Jun 25, 2017 7:13:41 GMT
I can't find the Maguire one, I think it may have been on the pitch at the last game radio interview. But he said something along the same lines. Yes Maguire definitely said similar and also i commented that when talking about his own time here (Maguire) was also talking in the past tense.
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Post by makv on Jun 25, 2017 12:19:32 GMT
Maguire also said similar It might well have been Maguire who said it such is my memory! Both Lunny and Maguire said it
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Post by Beav on Jun 25, 2017 16:36:46 GMT
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 25, 2017 17:30:56 GMT
Now that he has gone, I do not think that it any longer controversial to suggest that MApp had been building up to this for quite a long time (as was suggested on a thread started two months ago!) Unlike Wilder, he is a carefully-controlled media performer, so when he started to drop in slightly sarky comments about his budget to the media, both in January and approaching the end of the season, you could sense that - wrongly or rightly - he felt let down. This clearly communicated itself to his senior players - and Maguire, Lundstram and Dunkley were very much that (3 players who he often took to functions) - who are all smart enough to have seen writing on the wall. Hence their cryptic comments in their own media or social media communications. If that was the case - and it seems 95% likely to me (why would players be openly questioning the future of a manager who clearly wasn't going to be sacked?) - I'm not sure that it reflects all that well on MApp. But hey ho, such is life I guess. It would, though, mean that one task of the incoming manager is going to be to 'lift' the players and prevent them from seeing MApp's departure (along with Dunks, McAleny, maybe Maguire) as indicative of a more general malaise. Confidence and spirit are a big thing in any sport. Think of the times in our hellish, gradual descent to the Conference when previously able footballers came to us only to display nothing like their best, as they imbibed the negativity surrounding the club. Turning that disastrous negativity around was a heck of a job for CJ Wilder. And while I certainly don't think we need another Wilder, personally I suspect that a proven man manager with a strong character might be important, given the slightly odd circumstances we are in right now. We've still got some decent players and we need them to feel inspired to play to their best.
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Post by salaghaf on Jun 25, 2017 18:18:25 GMT
Now that he has gone, I do not think that it any longer controversial to suggest that MApp had been building up to this for quite a long time (as was suggested on a thread started two months ago!) Unlike Wilder, he is a carefully-controlled media performer, so when he started to drop in slightly sarky comments about his budget to the media, both in January and approaching the end of the season, you could sense that - wrongly or rightly - he felt let down. This clearly communicated itself to his senior players - and Maguire, Lundstram and Dunkley were very much that (3 players who he often took to functions) - who are all smart enough to have seen writing on the wall. Hence their cryptic comments in their own media or social media communications. If that was the case - and it seems 95% likely to me (why would players be openly questioning the future of a manager who clearly wasn't going to be sacked?) - I'm not sure that it reflects all that well on MApp. But hey ho, such is life I guess. It would, though, mean that one task of the incoming manager is going to be to 'lift' the players and prevent them from seeing MApp's departure (along with Dunks, McAleny, maybe Maguire) as indicative of a more general malaise. Confidence and spirit are a big thing in any sport. Think of the times in our hellish, gradual descent to the Conference when previously able footballers came to us only to display nothing like their best, as they imbibed the negativity surrounding the club. Turning that disastrous negativity around was a heck of a job for CJ Wilder. And while I certainly don't think we need another Wilder, personally I suspect that a proven man manager with a strong character might be important, given the slightly odd circumstances we are in right now. We've still got some decent players and we need them to feel inspired to play to their best. Sensible, but unlikely to materialise. DE will be looking for a relatively inexperienced manager, albeit knowledgeable and well connected, who he can manipulate (in a positive way) and mould to suit his personal beliefs. The current ethos in and around the club must be retained. A proven manager is highly improbable.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 25, 2017 19:00:11 GMT
If we want to continue the current ethos in and around the club maybe terry would be a better option
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Post by charliesghost on Jun 25, 2017 19:02:19 GMT
Now that he has gone, I do not think that it any longer controversial to suggest that MApp had been building up to this for quite a long time (as was suggested on a thread started two months ago!) Unlike Wilder, he is a carefully-controlled media performer, so when he started to drop in slightly sarky comments about his budget to the media, both in January and approaching the end of the season, you could sense that - wrongly or rightly - he felt let down. This clearly communicated itself to his senior players - and Maguire, Lundstram and Dunkley were very much that (3 players who he often took to functions) - who are all smart enough to have seen writing on the wall. Hence their cryptic comments in their own media or social media communications. If that was the case - and it seems 95% likely to me (why would players be openly questioning the future of a manager who clearly wasn't going to be sacked?) - I'm not sure that it reflects all that well on MApp. But hey ho, such is life I guess. It would, though, mean that one task of the incoming manager is going to be to 'lift' the players and prevent them from seeing MApp's departure (along with Dunks, McAleny, maybe Maguire) as indicative of a more general malaise. Confidence and spirit are a big thing in any sport. Think of the times in our hellish, gradual descent to the Conference when previously able footballers came to us only to display nothing like their best, as they imbibed the negativity surrounding the club. Turning that disastrous negativity around was a heck of a job for CJ Wilder. And while I certainly don't think we need another Wilder, personally I suspect that a proven man manager with a strong character might be important, given the slightly odd circumstances we are in right now. We've still got some decent players and we need them to feel inspired to play to their best. Sensible, but unlikely to materialise. DE will be looking for a relatively inexperienced manager, albeit knowledgeable and well connected, who he can manipulate (in a positive way) and mould to suit his personal beliefs. The current ethos in and around the club must be retained. A proven manager is highly improbable. What are his "personal beliefs"? And what is the "current ethos"? All the previous 'on-pitch' appointments were made by Ashton, so we do not really know what DE's own beliefs are when i comes to these things. And I don't think he would claim in his wildest dreams that he manipulated and moulded Appleton. Appleton was an established (if not successful) manager with 10 years as either top-flight assistant or manager. Are you suggesting that we are going to go for someone much less experienced than him?
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jun 25, 2017 19:43:21 GMT
If we want to continue the current ethos in and around the club maybe terry would be a better option For someone who said they dont want to get involved in the gossip, you do seem inclined to do exactly that? Try and keep it sensible?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 25, 2017 19:49:25 GMT
If we want to continue the current ethos in and around the club maybe terry would be a better option For someone who said they dont want to get involved in the gossip, you do seem inclined to do exactly that? Try and keep it sensible? What are you on about ? How is us only signing/trying to sign defenders not keeping it sensible
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Post by grenobleroad on Jun 25, 2017 20:29:50 GMT
For someone who said they dont want to get involved in the gossip, you do seem inclined to do exactly that? Try and keep it sensible? What are you on about ? How is us only signing/trying to sign defenders not keeping it sensible You know what you were implying. Don't play innocent.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 25, 2017 20:33:28 GMT
What are you on about ? How is us only signing/trying to sign defenders not keeping it sensible You know what you were implying. Don't play innocent. Read it how ever u like , terry is a central defender, we've signed 1 and tried to sign another
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Post by grenobleroad on Jun 25, 2017 20:36:03 GMT
You know what you were implying. Don't play innocent. Read it how ever u like , terry is a central defender, we've signed 1 and tried to sign another Read it how ever you like, ironic.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 25, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
Sensible, but unlikely to materialise. DE will be looking for a relatively inexperienced manager, albeit knowledgeable and well connected, who he can manipulate (in a positive way) and mould to suit his personal beliefs. The current ethos in and around the club must be retained. A proven manager is highly improbable. What are his "personal beliefs"? And what is the "current ethos"? I shudder to think. But there could be a shining place for Steve Evans. [sadface]
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jun 25, 2017 20:37:36 GMT
You know what you were implying. Don't play innocent. Read it how ever u like , terry is a central defender, we've signed 1 and tried to sign another So you think the club ethos at the moment is to sign central defenders? And that is based on us signing 1 and trying to sign another? At least have the decency to follow through with your attempt at humour.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 25, 2017 20:41:09 GMT
Read it how ever u like , terry is a central defender, we've signed 1 and tried to sign another So you think the club ethos at the moment is to sign central defenders? And that is based on us signing 1 and trying to sign another? At least have the decency to follow through with your attempt at humour. Yup pretty much that, build from the back . I don't do humour
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jun 25, 2017 20:49:20 GMT
So you think the club ethos at the moment is to sign central defenders? And that is based on us signing 1 and trying to sign another? At least have the decency to follow through with your attempt at humour. Yup pretty much that, build from the back . I don't do humour Clearly So what is the current ethos 'in and around the club' then?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 25, 2017 20:50:50 GMT
Buy young, sell for profit. Play from the back. Retain the ball
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jun 25, 2017 20:54:04 GMT
Buy young, sell for profit. Play from the back. Retain the ball So not JT then Here's an idea, put more thought into what you say and maybe you would have to say less
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