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Post by Jem on Jun 13, 2017 16:52:18 GMT
Don't you just love internet forums?!
(COYY's!)
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Post by lambchop on Jun 13, 2017 17:14:29 GMT
Have I missed a post or news somewhere where it says we no longer have a top 6 budget anymore? There seems to be a lot of talk of it but I can't find any evidence or official statement to back it up.
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Post by lambchop on Jun 13, 2017 17:16:05 GMT
Don't you just love internet forums?! (COYY's!) I actually look forward to some posters posting on here as it makes me laugh so much. I actually read the posts in comedy voices. I suggest people try it, it's great fun
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Post by bullytheox86 on Jun 13, 2017 17:24:38 GMT
Don't you just love internet forums?! (COYY's!) Jem not all of us hate you coyy
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Post by themightyaldo on Jun 13, 2017 20:02:17 GMT
This is all rather worrying after reading what Stew Donald has to say or rather what he hasn't said
It would appear that Mr Eales does want to sell
I cannot believe after all this effort and due diligence that mr Eales hasn't sold.
it leaves Stew in a bit of an embarrassing situation.,he introduces Mr Satori with an obvious interest in buying the club and talks proceed and Mr Eales pulls out at the last minute. Can't think what Stew is feeling now
There is something not quite right behind the scenes.
Could be a better offer has been tabled,but I feel Mr Eales should come clean
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Post by makv on Jun 13, 2017 20:05:30 GMT
This is all rather worrying after reading what Stew Donald has to say or rather what he hasn't said It would appear that Mr Eales does want to sell I cannot believe after all this effort and due diligence that mr Eales hasn't sold. it leaves Stew in a bit of an embarrassing situation.,he introduces Mr Satori with an obvious interest in buying the club and talks proceed and Mr Eales pulls out at the last minute. Can't think what Stew is feeling now There is something not quite right behind the scenes. Could be a better offer has been tabled,but I feel Mr Eales should come clean ππππππππ
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Post by sarge on Jun 14, 2017 9:06:27 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Hey 'Zach', whens 'slippery' Eales having an open fans forum, ( one fans can attend in person and ask questions)?
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Post by salaghaf on Jun 14, 2017 12:16:03 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine.
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Post by Junior on Jun 14, 2017 13:00:19 GMT
Fair post ^^ what's intriguing me is the rush amongst our support for championship and potentially PL football.
Nobody knows what Satori will actually bring, yes we've had little sound it's here and there but that's it, just talk. If Eales hadn't come in, where would we be now as a club?? Bit of perspective and respect is required IMO.
If he wants to sell, let it be k bus terms. Again, he's earned the right to decide when he calls it a day. What's not warranted is the abuse (not on here btw) and slurs about his private life.
I'm using appleton as a guide in this. If all is chaos behind the scenes, I'm sure he'd have left by now. After all, he's got previous!
In a nutshell, let's sit back, let close and preseason ride out and revaluate in August when the season kicks off.
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Post by myles on Jun 14, 2017 13:00:22 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. Where exactly are OxVox meddling and undermining? What have they prevented "Darren" from doing?
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Post by Colin B on Jun 14, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. Jesus H Christ, why oh why do we bother?!?!?!?!? Where exactly are OxVox interfering? Do you mean the stadium negotiations? If so that would be the same stadium negotiations that were discussed publicly, in an OxVox meeting last year when both Darryl and GBT were in the room and contributed to the discussion, as well as privately with both individuals. That would be the same stadium that I personally arranged a meeting for Darryl to accompany me to Populous, the stadium architects that we were talking to. And I presume you have been present at the meetings where Kassam has "played OxVox like a viola" have you? I suppose Stewart Donald has been "interfering" and has been "played like a viola" too has he, because he doesn't know anything about business does he? I neither want, nor expect, praise or thanks for what we're doing, but the sort of ill informed claptrap that I have to read, when I come on here really pisses me off. I come on here to read about Oxford United and find that I'm then having to defend myself for daring to give up large quantities of my free time to try to help my football club.
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Post by Yellow River on Jun 14, 2017 13:33:38 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. Serious question, what are Zachs motives that you don't agree with?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 14, 2017 14:51:30 GMT
Well now we know. The club is not for sale and the stadium situation has not changed. At no time has Mr Eales indicated that he wanted to sell the club and the interference by certain people put the club and the manager in a difficult position at a critical time. The fact that Oxvox have now decided to obtain a mandate from its membership (which they should have done before interfering in Mr Eales business) just goes to show that they are out of their depth. Let's get behind our owner and give support to a man who has proven that he has the club at heart. Let's see the supporters trust move away from being the friend of Kassam and start to lobby to get this man out of our lives. There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. I wasn't surprised that Junior liked this - no offence chap, but you've always had a cob on about OxVox - but three times in your post you've accused them of 'meddling'. As others have requested, please explain what you mean. If you can't, suggest you keep your opinions to yourself as you are clearly clueless about what's been going on over the past months.
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Post by foley on Jun 14, 2017 15:03:39 GMT
There's only one man who has taken us on a journey, there's only one man who is seen as the custodian of our club and that is Mr Eales, back him don't berate him. It's time to show Kassam he's not wanted so start by walking away from any dialogue. Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off.
We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. I guess that my surprise is that comments like this are made with seemingly little knowledge? Out of interest have you followed the story (read the Oxvox meeting notes gone along and raised questions, even read what Darryl has said)? I just have no idea of where Oxvox could be accused of meddling? It is just a little baffling.
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Post by witneywannabe on Jun 14, 2017 17:49:39 GMT
Zach - You state at no time has Mr Eales said he wanted to sell the club. You also state certain people have interfered unsettling the club. As i introduced Juan you clearly mean me. I do not want to get drawn into this really but I will not have my integrity questioned when I have only introduced Juan because of a desire to help the club and its owner. I believed the club was for sale either in part or whole - I will not expand on why as it is not my place to do so - however if you continue to question my integrity I may have to and I would prefer not to be put in that position but I re-iterate I will not have my integrity questioned in this way. I have always tried to act in OUFC's best interest in anything I have done as I know Jem and Oxvox have. I also don't believe they have done anything without the knowledge of the club. Oxvox I am sure will make a statement on the ground at some point and DE has said the club have turned down the approach from Juan so that will conclude things so perhaps lets just wait for that rather than keep speculating. Sometimes you can try to help and make things worse despite best intentions and I will accept that trying to help here on the ground and with Juan looks like a mistake in hindsight bearing in mind how it appears now - however i did this with more information on the situation than you clearly have and if you had been in my situation I am certain you would have done the same as it was not as you describe Can we just leave it there Zach? Out of interest Stew have you ever been asked to buy the club or at least be the financial partner DE talks of? Think we all know on this forum and through twitter that you are passionate about OUR CLUB!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:40:13 GMT
Don't agree with the Zach's motives, but agree with the sentiment totally. I do think Oxvox should stop interfering. We all know Ka$$am is playing them like an old viola, and all it is doing is apparently doing is pissing OUFC off. We should be thankful for what Darren has achieved at our club in the past 2 years, and left alone (unless he specifically asks for help), i am sure he will continue to bring great success. What i can't get my head around, is why Oxvox and others decide to meddle now. We have experienced pretty much consistent doom and gloom since Ka$$am sold us, and now we finally are on teh up, they feel obliged to constantly meddle and undermine. Jesus H Christ, why oh why do we bother?!?!?!?!? Where exactly are OxVox interfering? Do you mean the stadium negotiations? If so that would be the same stadium negotiations that were discussed publicly, in an OxVox meeting last year when both Darryl and GBT were in the room and contributed to the discussion, as well as privately with both individuals. That would be the same stadium that I personally arranged a meeting for Darryl to accompany me to Populous, the stadium architects that we were talking to. And I presume you have been present at the meetings where Kassam has "played OxVox like a viola" have you? I suppose Stewart Donald has been "interfering" and has been "played like a viola" too has he, because he doesn't know anything about business does he? I neither want, nor expect, praise or thanks for what we're doing, but the sort of ill informed claptrap that I have to read, when I come on here really pisses me off. I come on here to read about Oxford United and find that I'm then having to defend myself for daring to give up large quantities of my free time to try to help my football club. Colin, most fans really appreciate the commitment that Oxvox put into help us fans and the club. If you're upset about comments on this forum, how do you think Darryl would feel if he read this forum?
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Post by Colin B on Jun 14, 2017 19:49:34 GMT
Not sure what point you're trying to make RTO?
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Post by plonker on Jun 14, 2017 21:30:08 GMT
First off, Zach is the definition of a drive-by-shit-poster. Moving on... I really don't understand some views re: OxVox and the stadium. I don't think I've ever taken the time personally to comment because I try to accept people have different views, even if I don't always understand them. Having said that, let me share mine: Kassam won't sell to Darryl. Darryl has tried and failed not once, not twice, but three times to purchase the stadium. Actually, Kassam felt so little about the third offer, he didn't even bother to extend the courtesy of declining the offer, businessman to businessman. I believe their relationship has become even more strained since with disagreements over who should over the cost of stadium upkeep (or something of a similar nature). So, having failed three times and being told Kassam would not sell the stadium to him, Darryl was left with very few options really. Build, move - which would solve nothing because he'd still have financial obligations at Grenoble Road - or accept the situation and try to make the best of it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, please share them. We could ask Labour if we can borrow their money tree I suppose, they won't be using it quite yet. Anyway, at this time, OxVox decided to try and assist. They didn't interfere in any ongoing negotiations as far as I'm aware - the prospect of DE purchasing the stadium was already dead. They - a committed group of U's fans - decided to try to help the club, the fans and the chairman by attempting to construct a deal to bring the stadium under community ownership. Why? They clearly love the club and want what is best for Oxford. Were they meddling? Well, meddling would imply there was something ongoing between the other two parties. So should they have become involved? Well, why not?! Unless fans and the chairman were willing to just accept the terms of the lease and accept Kassam's shadow hanging over us for God knows how long. Let's face it - there was nothing to lose by OxVox trying as far as the club was concerned. Only potentially gain. If anything, Darryl should be thankful that we have such a passionate supporters group who are willing to dedicate their time and effort to attempt to do something Darryl himself could not. They have been able to make more progress than Darryl at any time. However, if they ultimately fail to conclude any kind of deal, then he should still thank them for trying. The club wouldn't have actually lost anything in that case; just not gained. *Post not paid for by OxVox. Edit: Having said all that, I do appreciate all Darryl has done for the club. Very much so.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
First off, Zach is the definition of a drive-by-shit-poster. Moving on... I really don't understand some views re: OxVox and the stadium. I don't think I've ever taken the time personally to comment because I try to accept people have different views, even if I don't always understand them. Having said that, let me share mine: Kassam won't sell to Darryl. Darryl has tried and failed not once, not twice, but three times to purchase the stadium. Actually, Kassam felt so little about the third offer, he didn't even bother to extend the courtesy of declining the offer, businessman to businessman. I believe their relationship has become even more strained since with disagreements over who should over the cost of stadium upkeep (or something of a similar nature). So, having failed three times and being told Kassam would not sell the stadium to him, Darryl was left with very few options really. Build, move - which would solve nothing because he'd still have financial obligations at Grenoble Road - or accept the situation and try to make the best of it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, please share them. We could ask Labour if we can borrow their money tree I suppose, they won't be using it quite yet. Anyway, at this time, OxVox decided to try and assist. They didn't interfere in any ongoing negotiations as far as I'm aware - the prospect of DE purchasing the stadium was already dead. They - a committed group of U's fans - decided to try to help the club, the fans and the chairman by attempting to construct a deal to bring the stadium under community ownership. Why? They clearly love the club and want what is best for Oxford. Were they meddling? Well, meddling would imply there was something ongoing between the other two parties. So should they have become involved? Well, why not?! Unless fans and the chairman were willing to just accept the terms of the lease and accept Kassam's shadow hanging over us for God knows how long. Let's face it - there was nothing to lose by OxVox trying as far as the club was concerned. Only potentially gain. If anything, Darryl should be thankful that we have such a passionate supporters group who are willing to dedicate their time and effort to attempt to do something Darryl himself could not. They have been able to make more progress than Darryl at any time. However, if they ultimately fail to conclude any kind of deal, then he should still thank them for trying. The club wouldn't have actually lost anything in that case; just not gained. *Post not paid for by OxVox. Edit: Having said all that, I do appreciate all Darryl has done for the club. Very much so. Totally agree. It is possible to appreciate everything Darryl has done for our club, whilst also recognising the work OxVox and others have also done. It's not about picking sides but being grateful that we have some great people working on behalf of our club. They may not have achieved what they'd have wanted, SD has been remarkably honest with this, and DE has acknowledged his own limitations. But no one can doubt that they've tried. As for Zach, I'm really struggling to work out your agenda? He/she appears to revel in creating division where little exists.
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Post by horseman on Jun 15, 2017 5:10:06 GMT
First off, Zach is the definition of a drive-by-shit-poster. Moving on... I really don't understand some views re: OxVox and the stadium. I don't think I've ever taken the time personally to comment because I try to accept people have different views, even if I don't always understand them. Having said that, let me share mine: Kassam won't sell to Darryl. Darryl has tried and failed not once, not twice, but three times to purchase the stadium. Actually, Kassam felt so little about the third offer, he didn't even bother to extend the courtesy of declining the offer, businessman to businessman. I believe their relationship has become even more strained since with disagreements over who should over the cost of stadium upkeep (or something of a similar nature). So, having failed three times and being told Kassam would not sell the stadium to him, Darryl was left with very few options really. Build, move - which would solve nothing because he'd still have financial obligations at Grenoble Road - or accept the situation and try to make the best of it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, please share them. We could ask Labour if we can borrow their money tree I suppose, they won't be using it quite yet. Anyway, at this time, OxVox decided to try and assist. They didn't interfere in any ongoing negotiations as far as I'm aware - the prospect of DE purchasing the stadium was already dead. They - a committed group of U's fans - decided to try to help the club, the fans and the chairman by attempting to construct a deal to bring the stadium under community ownership. Why? They clearly love the club and want what is best for Oxford. Were they meddling? Well, meddling would imply there was something ongoing between the other two parties. So should they have become involved? Well, why not?! Unless fans and the chairman were willing to just accept the terms of the lease and accept Kassam's shadow hanging over us for God knows how long. Let's face it - there was nothing to lose by OxVox trying as far as the club was concerned. Only potentially gain. If anything, Darryl should be thankful that we have such a passionate supporters group who are willing to dedicate their time and effort to attempt to do something Darryl himself could not. They have been able to make more progress than Darryl at any time. However, if they ultimately fail to conclude any kind of deal, then he should still thank them for trying. The club wouldn't have actually lost anything in that case; just not gained. *Post not paid for by OxVox. Edit: Having said all that, I do appreciate all Darryl has done for the club. Very much so. Totally agree. It is possible to appreciate everything Darryl has done for our club, whilst also recognising the work OxVox and others have also done. It's not about picking sides but being grateful that we have some great people working on behalf of our club. They may not have achieved what they'd have wanted, SD has been remarkably honest with this, and DE has acknowledged his own limitations. But no one can doubt that they've tried. As for Zach, I'm really struggling to work out your agenda? He/she appears to revel in creating division where little exists. I think the answer may be 2 pages of response and still growing. Now i've added more to it too!
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Post by myles on Jun 15, 2017 5:53:29 GMT
As for Zach, I'm really struggling to work out your agenda? He/she appears to revel in creating division where little exists. It's fairly clear IMHO. When other threads start getting into some of the thorny questions which Darryl may not like aired, up pops "zach" with a swipe at OxVox which draws people's attention away. It's what a good PA does. Best to think of them as someone shouting "ooh look, a squirrel!" and treat them accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 6:17:57 GMT
Not sure what point you're trying to make RTO? I don't think there is an ulterier motive to my question, I'm sure if there is I'll be called up on it . You seem to take criticism of Oxvox very personally (as would I if I were in your position). The criticism of Oxvox is OTT and is usually more likely to come from a handful of trolls/WUM's. I'm not a fan of it, especially when Oxvox have brought in the likes of Stewart Donald who is/was willing to put his hard earned cash where is mouth is. In comparison the criticism of Darryl is even more OTT than that of Oxvox and is writhe on all forms of social media, Darryl gets criticism from Facebook, Twitter, this fine forum and even the comments on the Oxford FAIL. Darryl gets criticism not only from the trolls/WUM's but also fairly normal posters on here. I'll answer my own question: If I were Darryl OR an Oxvox committee member, I'd be asking myself, "Why do I bother, and would probably walk", but this is just me, I don't like to be criticised when I'm doing my best. So I suppose my concern is that Darryl might just say f*ck it and bugger off. Apart from upsetting FK (which isn't hard) and it appears Oxvox, IMO DE has done so much good for this club and I've experienced the best of my time as an OUFC supporter since DE has been around. I don't want it to end, just yet.
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Post by Colin B on Jun 15, 2017 7:18:46 GMT
I wouldn't say I take OxVox criticism personally, but I do get annoyed by, what often seems unfair and ill informed, criticism. And it happens a lot! Most days I read this forum and have to turn the other cheek with what I read regarding OxVox, the stadium, our relationship with DE, our relationship with FK, our alleged incompetence and naivety, our alleged ulterior motives etc etc.
I'm not somebody who finds turning the other cheek easy, I'd rather deal with things face to face, but every now and then something is posted that I just can't let go. The few responses that I do make are just the tip of the iceberg, in terms of my feelings, and I know the other guys on the committee feel the same. We try really hard to be professional and not get drawn into online slanging matches, but sometimes it's unavoidable.
I would imagine Darryl probably feels the much the same. I don't agree with everything he's done, and I also don't think he's the worst chairman in the world. The good generally outweighs the bad, and I'd say most posts on here reflect that. That said, if I were a football club chairman, I'd go into it with the knowledge that you can't please all of the people all of the time and will, at some point, get criticised. It comes with the territory. Should it also come with the territory of being a voluntary fans trust though? Some will say yes, some will say no, but what I didn't sign up for was being criticised for something that is UNTRUE.
If I, or we, f*ck up then by all means, I'd expect criticism but not for some of the crap that I read on here. If members don't like what we do, they have an opportunity to vote us off, no problem with that at all. The ones that really annoy me are the people who don't join, but still think they have the right to criticise us as though they owned us, and some of them are posting on this very thread. Pay a fiver, join up, and have a legitimate say would be my answer to them.
It's turned into a bit of a rant, not aimed at you RTO, but I'll leave it there and hope it explains to some what it feels like to be on the end of some of this rubbish. Unfortunately, I don't expect the main culprits will give a shit........
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Post by foley on Jun 15, 2017 7:36:42 GMT
I wouldn't say I take OxVox criticism personally, but I do get annoyed by, what often seems unfair and ill informed, criticism. And it happens a lot! Most days I read this forum and have to turn the other cheek with what I read regarding OxVox, the stadium, our relationship with DE, our relationship with FK, our alleged incompetence and naivety, our alleged ulterior motives etc etc. I'm not somebody who finds turning the other cheek easy, I'd rather deal with things face to face, but every now and then something is posted that I just can't let go. The few responses that I do make are just the tip of the iceberg, in terms of my feelings, and I know the other guys on the committee feel the same. We try really hard to be professional and not get drawn into online slanging matches, but sometimes it's unavoidable. I would imagine Darryl probably feels the much the same. I don't agree with everything he's done, and I also don't think he's the worst chairman in the world. The good generally outweighs the bad, and I'd say most posts on here reflect that. That said, if I were a football club chairman, I'd go into it with the knowledge that you can't please all of the people all of the time and will, at some point, get criticised. It comes with the territory. Should it also come with the territory of being a voluntary fans trust though? Some will say yes, some will say no, but what I didn't sign up for was being criticised for something that is UNTRUE. If I, or we, f*ck up then by all means, I'd expect criticism but not for some of the crap that I read on here. If members don't like what we do, they have an opportunity to vote us off, no problem with that at all. The ones that really annoy me are the people who don't join, but still think they have the right to criticise us as though they owned us, and some of them are posting on this very thread. Pay a fiver, join up, and have a legitimate say would be my answer to them. It's turned into a bit of a rant, not aimed at you RTO, but I'll leave it there and hope it explains to some what it feels like to be on the end of some of this rubbish. Unfortunately, I don't expect the main culprits will give a shit........ Tend to agree with all of that Colin. With regard to being a football Chairman to a certain extent questions and some criticism is inevitable. With today's social media and some ahem slightly strange people there is a lot of unfair criticism that seems to fly around and if you are a footballer, football manager or Chairman I guess you have to be reasonably thick skinned and accept that it comes with the territory. With regard to Oxvox the thing that does surprise me a little on here are the people who tend t throw out unfounded comments as if they are facts. These are often reasonably regular posters who have plenty of opportunity to read through the endless posts, go to Oxvox meetings, ask Jem over the telephone or via E Mail what is going on etc. yet without getting any of the facts they repeat the same point over and over again.
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Post by foley on Jun 15, 2017 7:38:15 GMT
As for Zach, I'm really struggling to work out your agenda? He/she appears to revel in creating division where little exists. It's fairly clear IMHO. When other threads start getting into some of the thorny questions which Darryl may not like aired, up pops "zach" with a swipe at OxVox which draws people's attention away. It's what a good PA does. Best to think of them as someone shouting "ooh look, a squirrel!" and treat them accordingly. Interesting Myles. Surely no PA would come up with some of the, unusual to say the least, things Zach tends to come up with ??!!
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 15, 2017 8:50:00 GMT
In comparison the criticism of Darryl is even more OTT than that of Oxvox and is writhe on all forms of social media, Darryl gets criticism from Facebook, Twitter, this fine forum and even the comments on the Oxford FAIL. Darryl gets criticism not only from the trolls/WUM's but also fairly normal posters on here. Enjoying some sensible exchanges between you and Colin, RTO. The point I hope I can get across is this: please don't take the asking of questions about the running of the club as personal attacks on Mr Eales. I don't expect any statements from the club about playing budgets or particular player targets. At the first sound of an OUFC cheque book opening other clubs and players' agents will be seeing pound signs into the distance. I believe it is, however, perfectly reasonable to want to know why the Sartori 'deal' fell through. It was obviously close to conclusion as due diligence was being undertaken. This was, potentially, the biggest event in OUFC's history for many decades, yet we're told it wasn't in the best interests of OUFC, hence Mr Eales pulled the plug. Some say we've no right to know, or even ask the question, because it's not our business. I can only wonder how those people act in their own roles at work. Do they never challenge anything? Do they put their boss on a pedestal? I would suggest most successful businesses encourage intelligent feedback, not frown on it. If there were business sensitive reasons for Mr Eales' pulling out that he doesn't want to divulge publicly, just tell us that. As it is, we're left in the dark. Mr Eales owns the club, but he knows the club is nothing without the fans and I believe it's quite reasonable for us fans to be kept informed.
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Post by sihath on Jun 15, 2017 10:09:18 GMT
In comparison the criticism of Darryl is even more OTT than that of Oxvox and is writhe on all forms of social media, Darryl gets criticism from Facebook, Twitter, this fine forum and even the comments on the Oxford FAIL. Darryl gets criticism not only from the trolls/WUM's but also fairly normal posters on here. Enjoying some sensible exchanges between you and Colin, RTO. The point I hope I can get across is this: please don't take the asking of questions about the running of the club as personal attacks on Mr Eales. I don't expect any statements from the club about playing budgets or particular player targets. At the first sound of an OUFC cheque book opening other clubs and players' agents will be seeing pound signs into the distance. I believe it is, however, perfectly reasonable to want to know why the Sartori 'deal' fell through. It was obviously close to conclusion as due diligence was being undertaken. This was, potentially, the biggest event in OUFC's history for many decades, yet we're told it wasn't in the best interests of OUFC, hence Mr Eales pulled the plug. Some say we've no right to know, or even ask the question, because it's not our business. I can only wonder how those people act in their own roles at work. Do they never challenge anything? Do they put their boss on a pedestal? I would suggest most successful businesses encourage intelligent feedback, not frown on it.If there were business sensitive reasons for Mr Eales' pulling out that he doesn't want to divulge publicly, just tell us that. As it is, we're left in the dark. Mr Eales owns the club, but he knows the club is nothing without the fans and I believe it's quite reasonable for us fans to be kept informed. Agree with you Pete. I'm sure that DE has referred to OxVox as a 'critical friend' which he is happy about. I would suggest that more of the questions posed on here are asked in that role.
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Post by leysboy on Jun 15, 2017 10:19:34 GMT
A question for those linked heavily with the club, or those that put Darryl and Juan in contact with each other.
Why won't Kassam do a deal with Mr Eales, and if Juan did buy the club, would Kassam sell to him? If so why, and where's the difference. Both would be paying the asking price surely.
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 15, 2017 10:38:02 GMT
For my part, I really don't feel the need to know the reason why DE pulled the plug on the sartori deal. Any reasons that he had for doing so are okay with me. I trust him to do the right thing - something that he has consistently done over the course of his ownership. But what I would like, and feel that he should do now is come out and say what his plans are for the future regarding the ground and clear up the funding issue unequivocally so that we can all concentrate on football.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 15, 2017 10:43:55 GMT
For my part, I really don't feel the need to know the reason why DE pulled the plug on the sartori deal. Any reasons that he had for doing so are okay with me. I trust him to do the right thing - something that he has consistently done over the course of his ownership. But what I would like, and feel that he should do now is come out and say what his plans are for the future regarding the ground and clear up the funding issue unequivocally so that we can all concentrate on football. But those two strands (the Sartori non-deal and future ground/funding issues) are connected. The former might have solved the latter, so it would be nice to know why the deal didn't happen.
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