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Post by concretebob on Mar 14, 2017 21:48:20 GMT
Oh bugger............on to the next game....... Scum almost down OUFCX Weirdly we've helped the pig fiddlers get into even more trouble...
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Post by holdsteady on Mar 14, 2017 21:49:42 GMT
The play offs have always been a bit unlikely, but win the cup and get a good home run going now and it could be viewed as a decent season, just don't want the bad home form to carry on and the season to finish on a bad note.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Mar 14, 2017 21:53:53 GMT
The play offs have always been a bit unlikely, but win the cup and get a good home run going now and it could be viewed as a decent season, just don't want the bad home form to carry on and the season to finish on a bad note. I think its been a decent season anyway we will be L1 next season which must be a priority when you get promoted win the diy trophy will make it a real good season.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Mar 14, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
Oh bugger............on to the next game....... Scum almost down OUFCX Weirdly we've helped the pig fiddlers get into even more trouble...About the only positive thing from tonight
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Post by unification on Mar 14, 2017 22:00:54 GMT
Think the players are tired and playing on a shite pitch doesn't help MApp says they're not but you've got to wonder. When the likes of Ruffels sign contracts and yet MApp only recycles the same 14 players, you wonder why he bothered. In the manager we trust regardless. He knows them better than I do. However, mixing it up with the battlers like Skarz and Ruffels would have been my preference for this evening.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 14, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
Just like last season, we're running out of steam in mid March. Not a bad thing, but it does perhaps highlight that if we want to go full tilt at the cups, the squad has to be deeper than it has been the last 2 seasons. Or the cups like the Checkawasteoftime deprioritised
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Post by sussox on Mar 14, 2017 22:08:33 GMT
Very poor performance, and we are paying the price for having one of the smallest squads of first team professionals in the league, after failing to keep to Decembers promises to invest in the squad. Hopefully lessons learned for next season. Appleton alluded to players minds being focused on Wembley, which if the case is a let down to those fans travelling hundreds of miles tonight.
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Post by victor1986 on Mar 14, 2017 22:14:06 GMT
You have just heard it from the manager on RO - we are really only now motivated for one big match & that is on April 2nd! Great season though - onwards & upwards - a few out & a few in - hey ho!
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Post by holdsteady on Mar 14, 2017 22:16:25 GMT
We basically have a 16 (fit) man squad, two of those are ineligible for Wembley. That's not enough to push for the play offs and go for cup runs.
Appleton said we were 3 short after Sheffield United last week, I know he means quality first teamers, but if we want to push on these need to be on top of what we have not as replacements.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 22:16:27 GMT
Can't take anything away from this season. We are safe. Most would've settled for that. We are still in with a shout for the play offs although we will have to play better than tonight. The reality is we probably haven't got the depth of squad to challenge...I wonder just how good the squads of Fleetwood and Scunthorpe actually are to be song as well as they are. I think we will be stronger next year with the experience of a good season behind us. We will no doubt strengthen, hopefully without the loss of Maguire and Johnson who will be the backbone of a good side come next season
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 14, 2017 22:19:44 GMT
It does bring into focus that a player like Ribiero should be getting nearer meaningful minutes in the first team soon. He can add a small boost and allow a hint of rotation to take place.
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Post by oxfordboy on Mar 14, 2017 22:23:09 GMT
It's been a really good first season back, another Wembley trip, been in with a shout of the playoffs for a good while, and importantly the core of a squad capable of going up next season, almost all of whom are tied down for the next year or 2
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Post by uptheus on Mar 14, 2017 22:25:59 GMT
Who is MApp having a dig at re; squad number being light? He seems to be saying the players aren't right mentally, but he seems to be the one bemoaning about playing two games a week, and that the squad is 3 or 4 players short, so just may be he needs to stop putting it in their heads that the squads light and give them an excuse to be tired.
The players don't look mentally right, but the manager needs to lift them not make it worse.
Why not play Scarz and make earlier substitutions so that players aren't having to play longer game time.
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Post by uptheus on Mar 14, 2017 22:34:20 GMT
Can't take anything away from this season. We are safe. Most would've settled for that. We are still in with a shout for the play offs although we will have to play better than tonight. The reality is we probably haven't got the depth of squad to challenge...I wonder just how good the squads of Fleetwood and Scunthorpe actually are to be song as well as they are. I think we will be stronger next year with the experience of a good season behind us. We will no doubt strengthen, hopefully without the loss of Maguire and Johnson who will be the backbone of a good side come next season No guarantee for next season and we may lose players in the summer e.g, Johnson, Maguire, Martinez etc, so not sure why some think we'd be stronger.
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Post by leysboy on Mar 14, 2017 22:42:17 GMT
Only ourselves to blame by the sounds of it. We didn't take our opportunities, and they did. You pay the price at any level, for sloppy play, and mistakes.
I think we can all look forward to another season in league one, and at the beginning of the season I'd take that. We can bring in a couple of quality additions to what we already have, and we will be strong.
Hope we finish the season strongly, and take some momentum into next season.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Mar 14, 2017 22:44:16 GMT
Tonight's result isn't the best but players are now playing for their place in next seasons squad.
That alone should mean this season won't go out on a wimper. Players like Raglan and Ruffles want to be a part of what's happening at this club. Let's see who else does.
I'd be very happy with the season if we finish top 10 and a Wembley appearance.
Let's try and enjoy the rest of the games and put some pressure on the teams above. We still have Scunny, Bradford and Millwall to play.
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Post by uptheus on Mar 14, 2017 22:57:09 GMT
Only ourselves to blame by the sounds of it. We didn't take our opportunities, and they did. You pay the price at any level, for sloppy play, and mistakes. I think we can all look forward to another season in league one, and at the beginning of the season I'd take that. We can bring in a couple of quality additions to what we already have, and we will be strong. Hope we finish the season strongly, and take some momentum into next season. So you expected relegation?
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Mar 14, 2017 23:06:09 GMT
Pretty poor tonight. Played too open, over-elaborated didn't actually create too much and threw away the momentum from the equaliser. Should have had another penalty mind.
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Post by scotchegg on Mar 14, 2017 23:12:16 GMT
Only ourselves to blame by the sounds of it. We didn't take our opportunities, and they did. You pay the price at any level, for sloppy play, and mistakes. I think we can all look forward to another season in league one, and at the beginning of the season I'd take that. We can bring in a couple of quality additions to what we already have, and we will be strong. Hope we finish the season strongly, and take some momentum into next season. So you expected relegation? No, at the beginning of the season he would have accepted staying in the league!
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Post by yellowsarmy on Mar 14, 2017 23:17:31 GMT
Very poor performance, and we are paying the price for having one of the smallest squads of first team professionals in the league, after failing to keep to Decembers promises to invest in the squad. Hopefully lessons learned for next season. Appleton alluded to players minds being focused on Wembley, which if the case is a let down to those fans travelling hundreds of miles tonight. indeed a huge let down. if that is the case we might as well abandon the season now and concentrate on our cup final. Thanks Mapp for letting us travelling fans know, at least I can find something else to do with my weekends for the rest of the season. I also find that issue about lessons learned worrying. I see no lessons learned with the continued use of Johnson at left back. I see no we loose in the same way to all the poorer teams who play the same way, we cannot deal with it and seem to point blank refused to learn how to deal with it all season. Our potent strike force next year consists of Wes and Kane, we will probably sell Marvin so our attacking options in the squad will be limited. It is so frustrating that the players can obviously play well but seem to be distracted by the checkatrade thingy, you have to question some players application and effort. These players are capable of a bolton away performance or a Middlesbourgh or Newcastle at home then the same players turn up for Oldham, Bristol Rovers and Coventry City away. You can't loose and gain quality like that it must either be a mental thing or simply not being able to deal with a certain style of football in which case perhaps Mapp needs some responsibility for these games. I also dont get the we have a small squad for the number of games we play. If Mapp believes that he should prioritise the league then, rest players for the cups, sheffield united didn't go balls out for the Checkatrade they knew their target and focused on it. Likewise Newcastle in the cup. For me Mapp cannot not know what every other manager can see and think that small squads can compete in all. Therefore I must conclude he thinks he had a big enough squad because if he didn't he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay in the less important competitions. So yes we have had a good season but i hope we can look back and see that at times we have been our own worst enemy and that with consistency (or even having a plan B) particularly against poor teams we should be we would have made the playoffs.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Mar 14, 2017 23:43:48 GMT
Sounds likes terrible pitch and long ball opposition equals defeat for the mighty Oufc. Such is life. Wrong. Those weren't the reasons we lost and no-one should be making excuses for a generally poor performance. Pitch wasn't the best, but both teams played on the floor when going forward most of the time. We lost because our defence had an off day, as did our apparent best asset (Johnson), and Hemmings didn't get into the game at all. No-one really shone.
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Post by charliesghost on Mar 14, 2017 23:52:24 GMT
Who is MApp having a dig at re; squad number being light? He seems to be saying the players aren't right mentally, but he seems to be the one bemoaning about playing two games a week, and that the squad is 3 or 4 players short, so just may be he needs to stop putting it in their heads that the squads light and give them an excuse to be tired. The players don't look mentally right, but the manager needs to lift them not make it worse. Why not play Scarz and make earlier substitutions so that players aren't having to play longer game time. It was a rather odd, defeatist interview. Almost as if he had checked out of our play-off challenge before it finished. We have players like Ruffels, Rothwell and Sercombe - all of whom would make Oldham' team - fresh and ready, but h trots out the same side two times a week, doesn't make early changes and then seems to suggest that we don't have enough players. But I that is the case then clearly he can't rate the midfielders above. In which case why sign them on to contracts taking them beyond this season. I'm I'm huge admirer of MAPP as a man, and an admirer of him as a manager, but it's almost as if he's resenting not being able to sign players in January and is making a point to someone! I sure that is not the case, and that it was just a downbeat moment, but looking a the table it is still a chance. A 10/20 per cent chance, maybe, but still always chance.
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Post by tonto on Mar 15, 2017 1:10:55 GMT
hopefully there were loads of scouts there tonight!!
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Post by leysboy on Mar 15, 2017 7:15:49 GMT
Only ourselves to blame by the sounds of it. We didn't take our opportunities, and they did. You pay the price at any level, for sloppy play, and mistakes. I think we can all look forward to another season in league one, and at the beginning of the season I'd take that. We can bring in a couple of quality additions to what we already have, and we will be strong. Hope we finish the season strongly, and take some momentum into next season. So you expected relegation? Where did I mention relegation? Anything above the drop zone when newly promoted is a good season. We have had an excellent season. Strong cup run, and off to Wembley yawn yet again, and sat pretty in mid table. I just want us to finish strongly top half. That at the beginning of the season if offered I'd snap the hands off. The point your quoting. Is me being realistic. Playoffs are a bit too much of an ask this time. Next season that should be within our grasp.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 15, 2017 7:38:39 GMT
Very poor performance, and we are paying the price for having one of the smallest squads of first team professionals in the league, after failing to keep to Decembers promises to invest in the squad. Hopefully lessons learned for next season. Appleton alluded to players minds being focused on Wembley, which if the case is a let down to those fans travelling hundreds of miles tonight. indeed a huge let down. if that is the case we might as well abandon the season now and concentrate on our cup final. Thanks Mapp for letting us travelling fans know, at least I can find something else to do with my weekends for the rest of the season. I also find that issue about lessons learned worrying. I see no lessons learned with the continued use of Johnson at left back. I see no we loose in the same way to all the poorer teams who play the same way, we cannot deal with it and seem to point blank refused to learn how to deal with it all season. Our potent strike force next year consists of Wes and Kane, we will probably sell Marvin so our attacking options in the squad will be limited. It is so frustrating that the players can obviously play well but seem to be distracted by the checkatrade thingy, you have to question some players application and effort. These players are capable of a bolton away performance or a Middlesbourgh or Newcastle at home then the same players turn up for Oldham, Bristol Rovers and Coventry City away. You can't loose and gain quality like that it must either be a mental thing or simply not being able to deal with a certain style of football in which case perhaps Mapp needs some responsibility for these games. I also dont get the we have a small squad for the number of games we play. If Mapp believes that he should prioritise the league then, rest players for the cups, sheffield united didn't go balls out for the Checkatrade they knew their target and focused on it. Likewise Newcastle in the cup. For me Mapp cannot not know what every other manager can see and think that small squads can compete in all. Therefore I must conclude he thinks he had a big enough squad because if he didn't he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay in the less important competitions. So yes we have had a good season but i hope we can look back and see that at times we have been our own worst enemy and that with consistency (or even having a plan B) particularly against poor teams we should be we would have made the playoffs. The owner dictates squad size through his ever changing player budget.
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Post by yellowlab on Mar 15, 2017 8:27:43 GMT
Sounds likes terrible pitch and long ball opposition equals defeat for the mighty Oufc. Such is life. Wrong. Those weren't the reasons we lost and no-one should be making excuses for a generally poor performance. Pitch wasn't the best, but both teams played on the floor when going forward most of the time. We lost because our defence had an off day, as did our apparent best asset (Johnson), and Hemmings didn't get into the game at all. No-one really shone. Agreed. Every time Oldham came forward they looked threatening and managed to carve their way through the centre with comparative ease. Oxford, on the other hand, were faced with a solid and seemingly impenetrable 3 in the middle and were continually forced to spread it wide. On the odd occasion we did pass through we were fouled. Sadly Mcguire was unable to keep any of the resulting free kicks down. Large portions of the game were wasted with long balls by Oxford. When we played it on the floor we looked so much better. The guy whose drive we parked on was really buzzing after the game, he said it was the best passing game he had seen Oldham play for months. Bloody typical!
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Post by sihath on Mar 15, 2017 8:28:10 GMT
Just like last season, we're running out of steam in mid March. Not a bad thing, but it does perhaps highlight that if we want to go full tilt at the cups, the squad has to be deeper than it has been the last 2 seasons. Or the cups like the Checkawasteoftime deprioritised That might be a whoosh, but are you serious? Only 2 deafeats last season from the end of February. If we take the same number of points from the last 10 games of this season as we did last season, then we'll be very close to a play off spot.
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Post by Junior on Mar 15, 2017 8:47:31 GMT
Appleton needs start using the squad.
Ruffels, Sercombe and Rothwell would have all came in last night and done a very solid job. Why he doesn't, why knows. At Chesterfield they all robes their worth to the team. Likewise last night, on a crap pitch against a relegation threatened team Skarz would have been ideal at LB.
Appleton has been a great success but shouldn't be immune to certain questions.
Do Radio Ox ever mention the use of the squad? Timing of subs etc?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 15, 2017 9:03:12 GMT
Just like last season, we're running out of steam in mid March. Not a bad thing, but it does perhaps highlight that if we want to go full tilt at the cups, the squad has to be deeper than it has been the last 2 seasons. Or the cups like the Checkawasteoftime deprioritised That might be a whoosh, but are you serious? Only 2 deafeats last season from the end of February. If we take the same number of points from the last 10 games of this season as we did last season, then we'll be very close to a play off spot. Last season, our form suffered incredibly when Wembley was on the horizon - so from January onwards. We had some good results, but we fell away from winning the thing and I can still recall the panic from fans of we aren't going up. But it is what it is with the squad we have. MAPP confirmed he spent big on McAleny, but at the cost of other bodies in the squad. Playing 2 seasons of over 60 games with a small squad will stretch the squad to its limits and tiredness will set it eventually.
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Post by charliesghost on Mar 15, 2017 9:32:44 GMT
That might be a whoosh, but are you serious? Only 2 deafeats last season from the end of February. If we take the same number of points from the last 10 games of this season as we did last season, then we'll be very close to a play off spot. Last season, our form suffered incredibly when Wembley was on the horizon - so from January onwards. We had some good results, but we fell away from winning the thing and I can still recall the panic from fans of we aren't going up. But it is what it is with the squad we have. MAPP confirmed he spent big on McAleny, but at the cost of other bodies in the squad. Playing 2 seasons of over 60 games with a small squad will stretch the squad to its limits and tiredness will set it eventually. Yes, but this is the strange thing. The area of the pitch where tiredness is most a factor is midfield. We have three reserve midfielders who are arguably not much less good than the two inhabitants. And when they have been used, they have done well, and the team has won. So why are we playing the same eleven every game? It doesn't make sense. Goalkeeper and centre backs benefit from constant match time, but it's well-established that midfielders need the odd break. If Ruffels, Rothwell and Sercs were injured then I'd agree with the 'small squad' prognosis, but they're not!
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