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O'Dowda
Mar 4, 2017 8:51:43 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Mar 4, 2017 8:51:43 GMT
I think COD would have developed quicker had he stayed. He was not ready for the second Tier in the summer. There was plenty that Johnson, Hall and Maguire could have taught him first....😂 No Johnson, had COD stayed. There's a sobering thought!
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O'Dowda
Mar 4, 2017 11:19:44 GMT
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Post by bristolred on Mar 4, 2017 11:19:44 GMT
O'Dowda had a decent game away at toon but generally has been deemed a bit of a fraud from some supporters despite still being young. He wont develop well with our coaching and i fear a relegation at his age may hinder his career. I must say you banked some good money from that transfer. We banked good money cos he is a very good talent. No disrespect but in my view he made a bad mistake going to Bristol City. Had he found the right club for him he could have done very well.... I would have to agree with you there. Im assuming he would be guaranteed games at your level but he has played against some very good teams and thats the only advantage he has had. The step up is big from league 1 but then we truly fucked up with our approach. Im sure O'Dowda and Taylor will get a frosty reception at the Kassam next season although I absolutely love taylor for what he did to those bitter blue boys.
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O'Dowda
Mar 5, 2017 8:41:47 GMT
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Post by charliesghost on Mar 5, 2017 8:41:47 GMT
To be fair to Taylor, we kicked him out twice! So much for loyalty - for it to mean anything it has to be a 2 way street and in that era we treated our local youngsters appallingly. Wasn't it a case of he not being deemed good enough? Wrongly or rightly he was treated like every other player released by every club at his age. And, as a result, we got treated like every/ any other club by a player looking to maximise his value. Until three years ago, we were really poor in giving young players the chance to develop. Our managers always wanted ready-made journeymen in preference to working to improve a more talented youngster. Anyone notice the Brizzle right-back yesterday?
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Post by finlandia on Mar 5, 2017 8:48:29 GMT
Thought it wouldn't take long. Are you suggesting that a team full of Clarkes would be good enough.
Players slip through at all clubs, Beardsley at Man Utd for example- are you suggesting that they are crap as well at bringing kids through.
Get over yourself.
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Post by scoob on Mar 5, 2017 10:56:48 GMT
We banked good money cos he is a very good talent. No disrespect but in my view he made a bad mistake going to Bristol City. Had he found the right club for him he could have done very well.... I would have to agree with you there. Im assuming he would be guaranteed games at your level but he has played against some very good teams and thats the only advantage he has had. The step up is big from league 1 but then we truly fucked up with our approach. Im sure O'Dowda and Taylor will get a frosty reception at the Kassam next season although I absolutely love taylor for what he did to those bitter blue boys. O'dowda never played in League One so an even bigger step up from L2.
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Post by uptheus on Mar 5, 2017 13:33:28 GMT
Johnson's got to improve his final ball/shot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:12:49 GMT
I just think that Callum will end up playing at somewhere like Mansfield in a couple of years.
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Post by yellowoptimist on Mar 5, 2017 14:22:16 GMT
O'Dowda had a decent game away at toon but generally has been deemed a bit of a fraud from some supporters despite still being young. He wont develop well with our coaching and i fear a relegation at his age may hinder his career. I must say you banked some good money from that transfer. We banked good money cos he is a very good talent. No disrespect but in my view he made a bad mistake going to Bristol City. Had he found the right club for him he could have done very well.... That assumes he had other options in the championship which I'm not sure was the case!
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Mar 5, 2017 15:10:38 GMT
I just think that Callum will end up playing at somewhere like Mansfield in a couple of years. I think he's better than that. But it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at a Millwall or a Bradford - a decent League One side who are regularly in and around the playoffs. Which ironically is looking like exactly the sort of club we could be soon.
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Post by thesecretposter on Mar 6, 2017 10:28:46 GMT
See O'Dowda can't even make the squad now at Bristol. Sat at home watching TV on matchdays. Maybe that mysterious illness has struck again....??!?? He really should go and see a specialist (assuming his Dad's not available). noticed that, could we see him back soon a-la Joey Beauchamp? No thanks. The lad made his bed (very messily) and now has to lie in it. We have 2 wingers who are much better in my opinion and he would be third choice at best. It was a greedy move for him that seems to be backfiring a little.
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O'Dowda
Mar 6, 2017 10:51:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 10:51:22 GMT
Not so sure Callum is greedy. A career in football is short so if he has the opportunity to play at a higher level it has to considered I don't think Johnson will command £2m not yet anyway and Callum might not want to come back here yet until he has looked at other options The thought of MAPP going to Bristol City is a possibility. I wonder if he would get rid of Taylor
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Post by shosho on Mar 9, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
Some interesting reading...apparently the father of Wes Burns.
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Post by MJB on Mar 9, 2017 15:46:13 GMT
If it is indeed Burns' father, there is a slight irony in his criticism of overbearing parents meddling with football matters. Where has this surfaced then?
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Post by foley on Mar 9, 2017 15:47:35 GMT
Some interesting reading...apparently the father of Wes Burns. Who is supposed to have written that Shosho? I must admit to being very surprised that Johnson has managed to stay in charge so long.
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O'Dowda
Mar 9, 2017 16:50:59 GMT
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Post by shosho on Mar 9, 2017 16:50:59 GMT
Some interesting reading...apparently the father of Wes Burns. Who is supposed to have written that Shosho? I must admit to being very surprised that Johnson has managed to stay in charge so long. *apparently* the father of Wes Burns. Original link: www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/184558-interesting-reading/I don't confess to being itk, just came across it and thought it was interesting...perfectly understand it could be a load of rubbish.
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O'Dowda
Mar 9, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
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Post by joey on Mar 9, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
If it is the father of Wes Burns then it's particularly impressive that he managed to nause up his name three times in one sentence in the third paragraph.
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O'Dowda
Mar 9, 2017 17:36:04 GMT
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Post by ian on Mar 9, 2017 17:36:04 GMT
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 13:26:39 GMT
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Post by Young Money on Mar 18, 2017 13:26:39 GMT
Started and played 90 mins for Bristol in their 4-0 win over Huddersfield... not really involved in any of the goals though but still is doing a lot better than some seem to be claiming, he's not playing every week but has been involved a lot whether it be starting or off the bench
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Post by MJB on Mar 18, 2017 13:53:08 GMT
Started and played 90 mins for Bristol in their 4-0 win over Huddersfield... not really involved in any of the goals though but still is doing a lot better than some seem to be claiming, he's not playing every week but has been involved a lot whether it be starting or off the bench His defensive work and covering was very impressive last night and something which their fans have commented on since his more there. Unlucky with his header which was tipped onto the bar too. Good luck to him - hope he continues to shine and earns us more money!
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Post by Junior on Mar 18, 2017 14:33:34 GMT
Had a good game from the boys I saw. If Tomlin wasn't such a selfish player he'd have been a lot more effective..
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Post by chazzahoufc on Mar 18, 2017 19:37:57 GMT
The Bristol City fan I work with and goes to their games said that the last time O'Dowda played he was used as a holding central midfielder! We're spoilt for choice down the left hand side with Hall and Johnson. I don't think we need him back and I doubt Appleton will want him either after the way the O'Dowda's behaved. I hope we're in the same league as Bristol City next season just to prove Callum and Matty Taylor made the wrong decision. However as I write that they will think they have as they are on higher wages now and that's all that matters to players these days. I must remember that players don't give a shit about playing for their home town clubs and it's all about the cash! Well that is not true. A lot of our youth players go DOWN for experience not up for cash. Yes Callum did go for the money but he also got the chance to get noticed more. Canice, Aidan, Josh, all youngsters for us either stayed at oufc or went for a lower team. Canice at oufc, Aidan had to retire but went to a team in norway, and Josh went to oxford city on loan so its not all about the money. Canice probably could start for a league 2 club and get paid MORE but he stayed with us he is not an irish international for nothing you know.
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
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Post by charliesghost on Mar 18, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
Started and played 90 mins for Bristol in their 4-0 win over Huddersfield... not really involved in any of the goals though but still is doing a lot better than some seem to be claiming, he's not playing every week but has been involved a lot whether it be starting or off the bench The desire to do down COD is unattractive and thick. A) without him we would not have gone up last season. A player we paid nothing for scored 10 goals and had 17 assists! Check that out against MacDonald, Ryan Taylor and co. B) the money we got for him looks increasingly like having been the factor that has kept us going this season. If the Board reckons that the club is unsustainable now, imagine what it would have been without that 1.2 million upfront. C) there is more to come, doubtless based on appearances and he is closing in on 20 appearances this season, which - for a first dig at the Championship - is a pretty fair crack, and not many fewer than he played in League 2 last year. From what I saw last night, Brizzle are going to stay up and he will serve as an ongoing advertisement that you can make a top two tier career out of the OUFC Academy and therefore youngsters don't need to go to other academies further away. All good stuff, so why the bitterness? Some of those who are most virulent about him, I note, are the same ones who are very happy to condone public fibbing in others when it suits!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Mar 18, 2017 20:17:42 GMT
Started and played 90 mins for Bristol in their 4-0 win over Huddersfield... not really involved in any of the goals though but still is doing a lot better than some seem to be claiming, he's not playing every week but has been involved a lot whether it be starting or off the bench The desire to do down COD is unattractive and thick. A) without him we would not have gone up last season. A player we paid nothing for scored 10 goals and had 17 assists! Check that out against MacDonald, Ryan Taylor and co. B) the money we got for him looks increasingly like having been the factor that has kept us going this season. If the Board reckons that the club is unsustainable now, imagine what it would have been without that 1.2 million upfront. C) there is more to come, doubtless based on appearances and he is closing in on 20 appearances this season, which - for a first dig at the Championship - is a pretty fair crack, and not many fewer than he played in League 2 last year. From what I saw last night, Brizzle are going to stay up and he will serve as an ongoing advertisement that you can make a top two tier career out of the OUFC Academy and therefore youngsters don't need to go to other academies further away. All good stuff, so why the bitterness? Some of those who are most virulent about him, I note, are the same ones who are very happy to condone public fibbing in others when it suits! I've got to pick you up on your 2nd point Charlie, Eales has made it clear the current model is sustainable at the current level, however it becomes unsustainable if we get promoted.
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 18, 2017 20:21:01 GMT
The desire to do down COD is unattractive and thick. A) without him we would not have gone up last season. A player we paid nothing for scored 10 goals and had 17 assists! Check that out against MacDonald, Ryan Taylor and co. B) the money we got for him looks increasingly like having been the factor that has kept us going this season. If the Board reckons that the club is unsustainable now, imagine what it would have been without that 1.2 million upfront. C) there is more to come, doubtless based on appearances and he is closing in on 20 appearances this season, which - for a first dig at the Championship - is a pretty fair crack, and not many fewer than he played in League 2 last year. From what I saw last night, Brizzle are going to stay up and he will serve as an ongoing advertisement that you can make a top two tier career out of the OUFC Academy and therefore youngsters don't need to go to other academies further away. All good stuff, so why the bitterness? Some of those who are most virulent about him, I note, are the same ones who are very happy to condone public fibbing in others when it suits! I've got to pick you up on your 2nd point Charlie, Eales has made it clear the current model is sustainable at the current level, however it becomes unsustainable if we get promoted. Why is he talking about cutting budgets then? And scrapping the fees we were going to pay for 3 players in the window ?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Mar 18, 2017 20:55:37 GMT
I've got to pick you up on your 2nd point Charlie, Eales has made it clear the current model is sustainable at the current level, however it becomes unsustainable if we get promoted. Why is he talking about cutting budgets then? And scrapping the fees we were going to pay for 3 players in the window ? He was talking about long term future of the club if we don't sort out the stadium situation. The same time he made those comments he also said he could sustain the current budget required for us to be a league 1 or league 2 side. The issues arise if we go up to the next stage and the club has no actual assets. Clubs like Walsall, Gillingham and Oldham are seen as solid league 1 sides (ok oldham have struggled this year) and will always be competitive in this division. From the out side clubs like these look like they have no ambition as they never look to ever push on yet in reality they know it would financially cripple them if they did go up. This is where we currently find ourselves. It is a sad sign of the current football climate that by being successful can actually have a negative impact on your clubs long term future.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Mar 18, 2017 21:11:36 GMT
Why is he talking about cutting budgets then? And scrapping the fees we were going to pay for 3 players in the window ? Clubs like Walsall, Gillingham and Oldham are seen as solid league 1 sides (ok oldham have struggled this year) and will always be competitive in this division. From the out side clubs like these look like they have no ambition as they never look to ever push on yet in reality they know it would financially cripple them if they did go up. How on earth would promotion, with all of the extra income, "financially cripple" solid L1 clubs? As long as a club only spends what it earns and doesn't get carried away with dishing out costly long-term conracts it need not be a disaster. No professional club would turn down promotion!
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 21:20:17 GMT
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Post by Denissmithswig on Mar 18, 2017 21:20:17 GMT
Clubs like Walsall, Gillingham and Oldham are seen as solid league 1 sides (ok oldham have struggled this year) and will always be competitive in this division. From the out side clubs like these look like they have no ambition as they never look to ever push on yet in reality they know it would financially cripple them if they did go up. How on earth would promotion, with all of the extra income, "financially cripple" solid L1 clubs? As long as a club only spends what it earns and doesn't get carried away with dishing out costly long-term conracts it need not be a disaster. No professional club would turn down promotion! If we went up I'd want to stay there. If we did that then it would mean we would need to over spend by a good 3 million roughly to build a squad that could compete in the league. A club like ours with no assets would struggle to cope with the extra financial costs of going up.
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 21:35:18 GMT
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Mar 18, 2017 21:35:18 GMT
How on earth would promotion, with all of the extra income, "financially cripple" solid L1 clubs? As long as a club only spends what it earns and doesn't get carried away with dishing out costly long-term conracts it need not be a disaster. No professional club would turn down promotion! If we went up I'd want to stay there. If we did that then it would mean we would need to over spend by a good 3 million roughly to build a squad that could compete in the league. A club like ours with no assets would struggle to cope with the extra financial costs of going up. If we went up, naturally we would all want the squad to be competitive. But I would still expect the club to live within its means - even if that meant a relegation struggle.
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 23:33:27 GMT
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Post by scoob on Mar 18, 2017 23:33:27 GMT
If we went up I'd want to stay there. If we did that then it would mean we would need to over spend by a good 3 million roughly to build a squad that could compete in the league. A club like ours with no assets would struggle to cope with the extra financial costs of going up. If we went up, naturally we would all want the squad to be competitive. But I would still expect the club to live within its means - even if that meant a relegation struggle. When was the last time the club lived within its means? Losses have exceeded £1M a season for years.
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O'Dowda
Mar 18, 2017 23:58:40 GMT
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Mar 18, 2017 23:58:40 GMT
If we went up, naturally we would all want the squad to be competitive. But I would still expect the club to live within its means - even if that meant a relegation struggle. When was the last time the club lived within its means? Losses have exceeded £1M a season for years. Last season possibly?! Well, yes OUFC has been a financial basket case for years. But no reason why losses should increase materially following promotion. Not sure about the financial status of the likes of Walsall or Oldham but don't see how they would be financially ruined with promotion either.
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