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Post by londonroader on Jan 27, 2017 13:31:59 GMT
Re the 4th stand. Was it just for this one game or for the remainder of the season? If the one game, didn't Eales say it needs to be full 5times for it not to cost the club money? That may be a reason why the club declined the offer. In particularly bad timing, the club announce today that it would have sold it out if it had been in place. I wonder when the club had the information about the 4th stand, I expect it might take more than a few weeks to get wheels in motion.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 27, 2017 13:47:47 GMT
I had a similar feeling last night and again this morning. I am absolutely behind OxVox for getting this far (and applaud them for doing so), but I feel like I did when the club released their stuff. Understandable, but not relevant to the wider world. DE was right a while ago. Everyone needs to get into a room together. But there is nothing to discuss. What part of 'confidential commercial negotiations' don't you understand? If the issues at stake are sensitive to OCC and FIROKA then they don't want them aired in public (or through interminable public discussion) before the deal is actually finalised. This. Is. Normal. What would be speeded up by 'everyone being in a room'? Last Friday, parties WERE in a room. And significant progress was made (if we're to believe Jeremy Faulkner, which I do). Do you believe that Firoz would have made FASTER progress if someone who is currently taking him to court was there as well? Really? Listen, I don't have a dog in this fight. It's reasonably common knowledge on this forum that I would rather that we were investigating WE right now, that I have been quite critical of my old friends on OxVox and that I have been consistently praising of DE, whose stewardship of the club over the last couple of years has enabled me to actually show my kids that watching Oxford United can be fun (just before it got too late!) But that doesn't mean that I cannot see the writing on the wall. Which is that it is highly likely now that this deal is going to be done and that therefore the biggest obstacle to the club's future sustainability is likely to be resolved in the next four months. Four months!!! After all these years! Under these circumstances, I find it very hard to come to terms with any so-called supporter who is blasé about jeopardising that for any reason whatsoever. Few people know how close we came to financial disaster in the Patterson era. That cannot happen again. For those of us like Jem, Colin, Simon, Trevor etc who are veterans of OUFC financial fall-outs, the prize of finally cutting free from the wreckage of the post-Maxwell days is a very dear one. Would I be happy if DE sticks around to be the chairman who benefits from this being sorted out on his behalf? Absolutely. But if he decides (understandably) to walk (which he has said he won't do, by the way) then between what he has put in place on the pitch and what OxVox are doing off the pitch, OUFC would be in its best position for a very, very long time. We would be a reasonably attractive proposition to own. What this statement calls for - quite patently - is for a big, grown-up deep breath in and for us members to behave in an adult way. Some of the chin-wobbling in recent posts is pathetic, childish and laughable. Not people one would have wanted in the trenches! Then release a short statement saying there is nothing to discuss. Or am I over simplifying things? I don't think the clubs rather scattergun pronouncements have helped at all. All parties as in club also. That is where the disconnect has been widening since last year right? The weakest point in the current circumstance (and very understandable) is the tenant and the owner aren't talking. OxVox are not responsible for any of that or mending that, but perhaps some of the silliness would dissipate once people see each other face to face? It would put OUFCs board in a more awkward position for one. The community stadium (I fully agree with and support OxVox on it) has unfortunately further highlighted the disconnects and we can all see that it is making some things more fractious. Devils advocate. Would all these press releases be moot if some basic, but irregular, communication was had? Conference calls, face to face, video conferencing? Obviously confidentiality restricts content, but I think that maybe a trick that is being missed?
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Post by Mark on Jan 27, 2017 13:48:28 GMT
In particularly bad timing, the club announce today that it would have sold it out if it had been in place. I wonder when the club had the information about the 4th stand, I expect it might take more than a few weeks to get wheels in motion. "The goodwill generated by the manner in which we are conducting discussions has, for example, resulted in a couple of weeks ago, Firoz Kassam offering to allow the club to put up a temporary 4th stand for the Newcastle United FA Cup game. We forwarded that offer to the club, but were informed that it was not possible due to operational difficulties." Without a bit more detail on the timings and costs I can only guess why it wasn't possible. Or perhaps even it was, but the club decided not worth the bother? Too short notice? Too expensive? Was it just for one game? Tickets already on sale? Safety advice on fan segregation? Also for a cup game with the increased away allocation perhaps that affected it?
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Post by uptheus on Jan 27, 2017 13:53:01 GMT
'Divide and conquer' tactics by the ogb. Said that weeks ago!
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2017 13:53:10 GMT
I wonder when the club had the information about the 4th stand, I expect it might take more than a few weeks to get wheels in motion. "The goodwill generated by the manner in which we are conducting discussions has, for example, resulted in a couple of weeks ago, Firoz Kassam offering to allow the club to put up a temporary 4th stand for the Newcastle United FA Cup game. We forwarded that offer to the club, but were informed that it was not possible due to operational difficulties." Without a bit more detail on the timings and costs I can only guess why it wasn't possible. Or perhaps even it was, but the club decided not worth the bother? Too short notice? Too expensive? Was it just for one game? Tickets already on sale? Safety advice on fan segregation? Also for a cup game with the increased away allocation perhaps that affected it? Maybe Oxvox could ask Ka££am why he was so against the club having the 4th stand for the scum game.. As also mentioned, this offer OGB has so kindly made, is it for the 1 game or the season??
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 14:07:06 GMT
"The goodwill generated by the manner in which we are conducting discussions has, for example, resulted in a couple of weeks ago, Firoz Kassam offering to allow the club to put up a temporary 4th stand for the Newcastle United FA Cup game. We forwarded that offer to the club, but were informed that it was not possible due to operational difficulties." Without a bit more detail on the timings and costs I can only guess why it wasn't possible. Or perhaps even it was, but the club decided not worth the bother? Too short notice? Too expensive? Was it just for one game? Tickets already on sale? Safety advice on fan segregation? Also for a cup game with the increased away allocation perhaps that affected it? Maybe Oxvox could ask Ka££am why he was so against the club having the 4th stand for the scum game.. As also mentioned, this offer OGB has so kindly made, is it for the 1 game or the season?? He's already answered why he wouldn't allow it for the scum game Ps are you a member now ?
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2017 14:21:08 GMT
I've heard you've been acting as the unofficial voice of Oxvox on all things stadium on here, had to have a little look to see for myself. Are you and that Markv (fbsm fan) having your own competition to see who can post the most crap on a forum?
Seeing as you like replying, what was the reason for a no and now a yes from OGB
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Post by horseman on Jan 27, 2017 14:33:13 GMT
Maybe Oxvox could ask Ka££am why he was so against the club having the 4th stand for the scum game.. As also mentioned, this offer OGB has so kindly made, is it for the 1 game or the season?? He's already answered why he wouldn't allow it for the scum game Ps are you a member now ? Yet no word about why he has a sudden change of heart given he's declined previous requests or why a statement is made regarding just one game rather than the season and beyond. it's all well and good saying the club refused his offer bless him
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2017 14:34:49 GMT
Anyone would think he was trying to play the nice guy knowing full well the club would decline the offer.. Now, is that a snake I can hear??
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jan 27, 2017 14:45:56 GMT
I don't think any of us are under the impression that FK has suddenly turned into Mother Theresa!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 14:49:34 GMT
Harry Potter now are you I would say it's definite that Kassam is playing a game knowing it would never happen, but no. More so than calling the ground Grenoble Rd or using the press to tell him it's a deal that should be done in 12 weeks
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Post by horseman on Jan 27, 2017 14:57:48 GMT
Harry Potter now are you I would say it's definite that Kassam is playing a game knowing it would never happen, but no. More so than calling the ground Grenoble Rd or using the press to tell him it's a deal that should be done in 12 weeks Oh come on oufcyellows there is a massive difference to a "few" calling the ground Grenoble Rd and him denying the club extra income opportunities and are we really meant to believe that such a "Hard" Businessman would be affected by something as trivial as a name.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 15:12:51 GMT
Harry Potter now are you I would say it's definite that Kassam is playing a game knowing it would never happen, but no. More so than calling the ground Grenoble Rd or using the press to tell him it's a deal that should be done in 12 weeks Oh come on oufcyellows there is a massive difference to a "few" calling the ground Grenoble Rd and him denying the club extra income opportunities and are we really meant to believe that such a "Hard" Businessman would be affected by something as trivial as a name. There is a massive difference, but none of it is helpful, officially changing the name of the ground, not talking to him, going to court (when Darryl said himself he handled it wrong and should have sat down over a glass of wine first) it all adds up, then I get in a silly tit for tat situation. He's the owner, the club have to work with him, there's no way around that, keep you friends close and all that.
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2017 15:22:01 GMT
Harry Potter now are you I would say it's definite that Kassam is playing a game knowing it would never happen, but no. More so than calling the ground Grenoble Rd or using the press to tell him it's a deal that should be done in 12 weeks Oh come on oufcyellows there is a massive difference to a "few" calling the ground Grenoble Rd and him denying the club extra income opportunities and are we really meant to believe that such a "Hard" Businessman would be affected by something as trivial as a name. A successful, very wealthy businessman upset by a few nasty words? Sorry, I don't buy that. Very naive if you think that makes a difference to him. He's playing his usual games. Why? Who knows. Maybe whilst he's in the talkative mood someone could ask him about his lack of action around the Priory. After all, that's a lovely new hotel which has popped up next door..
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 15:35:45 GMT
Doesn't that also apply to Darryl then, some have suggested he shouldn't be questioned and if he is wouldn't be surprised if he left. As for the priory, totally agree how he has managed to swerve that one again is unreal
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 17:05:59 GMT
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jan 27, 2017 17:07:34 GMT
Why have the club done this counter statemen?!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jan 27, 2017 17:16:04 GMT
They just can't let it go, can they. Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 27, 2017 17:19:12 GMT
The change in pr is crazy, from a year ago
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jan 27, 2017 17:19:58 GMT
The change in pr is crazy, from a year ago I'd rather no PR V bitchy PR!
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jan 27, 2017 17:20:26 GMT
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Post by eraser on Jan 27, 2017 19:16:48 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Jan 27, 2017 19:19:55 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for. ST Holders who are a SUPPORTERS group! Why would they want to screw the club over??? Kassam cannot increase the rent until this current deal is over?
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Post by scoob on Jan 27, 2017 20:03:39 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for. I think the expression is WTF? Coventry City won't exist soon. Is that what you want for our club?
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Post by sarge on Jan 27, 2017 21:05:47 GMT
The change in pr is crazy, from a year ago The 'change' in pr is coincidentally since GBT has been MD .....no link of course, is there?
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Post by foley on Jan 27, 2017 21:44:26 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for. WHAT? are you serious? FFS I really hope that you are nothing to do with the football club (I will assume that you are not just to not ruin my evening)
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Post by foley on Jan 27, 2017 21:47:19 GMT
The change in pr is crazy, from a year ago The 'change' in pr is coincidentally since GBT has been MD .....no link of course, is there? I have heard from somebody in Oxvox that they rated him (was some time ago). I am more and more thinking that the change in PR, did however change significantly when he arrived. Hopefully I am totally wrong though. Whatever, the clubs PR in recent times has got infinitely worse.
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Post by myles on Jan 27, 2017 22:28:52 GMT
The 'change' in pr is coincidentally since GBT has been MD .....no link of course, is there? I have heard from somebody in Oxvox that they rated him (was some time ago). I am more and more thinking that the change in PR, did however change significantly when he arrived. Hopefully I am totally wrong though. Whatever, the clubs PR in recent times has got infinitely worse. I would be fairly certain that neither Greig nor Simon Kelner (the other PR/comms guy on the board) would have willingly put out a statement like today's.
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Post by myles on Jan 27, 2017 22:31:56 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for. Yes that'll be the solution. Take the club out of the county, get tangled in a costly legal battle for breaching the licence, allowing Kassam to overturn the covenant on the ground as the club have voluntarily left, letting him make a mint from developing it. Meanwhile, the club are now homeless, assetless, and futureless.
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Post by makv on Jan 27, 2017 22:37:14 GMT
DE has every right to be getting hacked off with OxVox and OCC. They're at best season ticket holders with no financial stake in the FOOTBALL CLUB. DE has invested the money. FK is waiting to see if OUFC get promoted as he can then increase the rent or sell expansion plans! FK playing these numpties like a fiddle. DE please take over or find a way of doing a Coventry City and leave FK with a white elephant and the OXVox & OCC fools with a community trust order on 500 affordable houses because that's all the site is good for. WHAT? are you serious? FFS I really hope that you are nothing to do with the football club (I will assume that you are not just to not ruin my evening) Sw*ndon "fan" on a wind-up, clearly
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