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Post by swissyellow on Jan 12, 2017 15:14:36 GMT
www.ianhudspeth.com/id15.htmlVery very interesting. Here's the key part: "I would go even further and use part of the land to develop a world class sporting facility on this site involving the professional clubs and the Universities. In transport terms there is not a better location in Oxfordshire with a rail link and excellent links to the A34/M40/M4. The current football stadium is in poor condition, little room to expand beyond its current capacity with poor transport connectivity. By developing a new stadium with room to expand and a hotel with conference facilities Oxford could attract national or even international sporting events. There is no reason why a 50m swimming pool could not be part of the development as I believe there is not such a pool between London and Birmingham. The ice rink could be relocated to provide a new facility fit for purpose rather than the current one that news a major revamp. The added advantage of creating such a sporting facility in a new location would mean that the existing stadium and ice rink could be redeveloped for housing thus reducing the demand for more houses outside Oxford possibly by 800 units, with some of them located in the heart of the City."
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Post by bigronaldo on Jan 12, 2017 16:04:45 GMT
These are the thoughts of Ian Hudspeth and not of Oxfordshire county council as a whole. Good to read, but hard to see it all coming to fruition.
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Post by malcolmnl on Jan 12, 2017 16:05:06 GMT
I like the way he's thinking. Is he up for re-election?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 12, 2017 16:25:36 GMT
Also would need Cherwell on board and they seem less keen. cpre also kicked up last time it was even mentioned
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Post by manorlounger on Jan 12, 2017 16:25:43 GMT
Very interesting timing.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jan 12, 2017 16:56:30 GMT
Also would need Cherwell on board and they seem less keen. cpre also kicked up last time it was even mentioned Don't CPRE (Oxon branch) kick up whenever any development to do with Oxford/Oxon is mentioned? That always seems to be case whenever I read something about a development, basically appear to be classic nimbies but expanding this to mean Oxon.
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Post by socrates on Jan 12, 2017 16:57:09 GMT
There is an incredible opportunity for the city and the county here
This is not just about the football club
A sporting and cultural hub serving many teams and clubs is possible. It would create a destination. Not just job or homes
In a less, shall we say, wealthy part of the country it would seized. The challenge, therefore, is to engage and excite the apathetic well-off who will grumble and cock a snook.
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Post by 54-46 on Jan 12, 2017 18:11:45 GMT
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Post by old on Jan 12, 2017 18:24:43 GMT
A joined up approach with the right people coordinating individual councils and the University this could well be a future development for the whole of Oxfordshire and many many sports. The County Council would need to lead this with the buy in from Oxford City, Cherwell, West Oxfordshire and SODC. With the news that housing is being considered for many acres in and around this area, I'm sure it could gain support, however it would as I said before need the right people involved not just those who follow United.
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Post by Mark on Jan 12, 2017 18:50:08 GMT
Yes but how does it make a sustainable business model for oufc?
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Post by mariokempes on Jan 12, 2017 19:27:06 GMT
How long did it take Mr Hudspeths men to do approx 6 weeks work at Banbury and Woodstock rds I'd prepare for a long wait for this to come to fruition
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Post by nick68 on Jan 12, 2017 20:17:27 GMT
Did he mention putting in trams or an overhead rail link to shuttle everyone to this stadium. He has grand ideas but that's where it ends
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Post by scotters on Jan 12, 2017 20:37:18 GMT
Did he mention putting in trams or an overhead rail link to shuttle everyone to this stadium. He has grand ideas but that's where it ends Isn't the idea to have it by the train station?
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Post by nick68 on Jan 12, 2017 20:43:51 GMT
Did he mention putting in trams or an overhead rail link to shuttle everyone to this stadium. He has grand ideas but that's where it ends Isn't the idea to have it by the train station? Not everyone can afford the train or is close to a station but yes you're correct
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Post by mariokempes on Jan 12, 2017 21:33:07 GMT
Do you remember the tunnel under the City Centre to ease traffic
While I'm sure the idea of a multisports centre is welcomed by the vast majority of people with an interest within the county IMO The optimist in me says YES let's do it and do it properly The pessimist in me says NO it ain't gonna happen The Realist in me says I HOPE it happens but I think if it does its going to be one hell of a battle to get there
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 12, 2017 22:17:04 GMT
Just empty words, also why should the university have anything to do with it!!
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Post by makv on Jan 12, 2017 22:32:37 GMT
Did he mention putting in trams or an overhead rail link to shuttle everyone to this stadium. He has grand ideas but that's where it ends Isn't the idea to have it by the train station? Yes. Although "plan" is maybe the wrong word.
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Post by minime on Jan 12, 2017 22:52:21 GMT
Just empty words, also why should the university have anything to do with it!! Because if it were to go ahead, I am presuming that it would be OCC, or the public purse, paying for it. If that's the case then it has to appeal to all - not just United and City. A bit like the new training facilities.
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Post by old on Jan 13, 2017 6:40:56 GMT
Not a fan of Hudspath, however Oxfordshire would benefit from a world class sporting venue such as this, encompassing many sports. This would include a sports stadium in which league football could be held. It's not always about United, but this if and it's a BIG IF the County Council were forward thinking, everyone would reap the rewards.
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Post by finlandia on Jan 13, 2017 6:47:01 GMT
Pie in the sky from Hudspeth - one of the worst Councillors ever to grace Oxford. Look at his past record in fanciful ideas and also on delivering any project that he has been involved in. A complete Walter Mitty type - if we are relying in anyway on him, then in the words of Private Fraser, we're Doomed!
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Post by fourthstand on Jan 13, 2017 7:12:07 GMT
Imo, Dig deeper than the political bluff and it is a genuine attempt to get the saga of the current stadium out in the open. At the very least it may give it a sense of urgency.
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 13, 2017 10:24:42 GMT
Not a fan of Hudspath, however Oxfordshire would benefit from a world class sporting venue such as this, encompassing many sports. This would include a sports stadium in which league football could be held. It's not always about United, but this if and it's a BIG IF the County Council were forward thinking, everyone would reap the rewards. Interesting news could be good. I think the council will want top dollar rent from us thou would still rather we owned a ground again. And a proper football ground at that not a sports stadium that we can play football in no athletics with running tracks thanks.
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Post by oxfordharrier on Jan 13, 2017 11:35:06 GMT
I thought this would have made waves on the forum!
Before anyone gets too carried away, this is the personal view of IH, who is on the county council, who have no say over development because that's the role of the districts.
I did say on here the last time this came up (last April in fact I think) that the bus has been missed. Why is it in the news now? Because consultation on Cherwell's local plan closes at midnight tonight. They've allocated WE round to Begbroke, to the great surprise of no one, for over 4,000 houses. Hudspeth has just woken up to this but Cherwell have had an independent planning consultancy doing the ground work on the site already according to yesterday's Oxford Times*.
If OUFC wanted to do this then the deadline for getting a bid in for strategic land use was March *last* year and no one did it. That's when the developers had to get their housing allocation proposals in by. WE was always a stretch but the reason this is in the papers now is actually because the door's about to slam shut, rather than because it's opening....
Cherwell have always been clear that WE is in the green belt, but that if it was going to be used for anything then their preference was housing. IH's proposal might work as some form of "enabling" development for Cherwell's housing plans for WE/Kidlington/Begbroke, but it is moot whether in the current environment an enabling development is even necessary. DCLG seems quite open to development on greenbelt regardless.
I'm nothing to do with Cherwell by the way, except that my area was/is one of their proposed development sites which means I've had to get up to speed with the ins and outs of what they're doing.
*ETA- a letter in yesterday's OT
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Post by ag on Jan 13, 2017 11:40:51 GMT
I thought this would have made waves on the forum! Before anyone gets too carried away, this is the county council, who have no say over development because that's the role of the districts. I did say on here the last time this came up (last April in fact I think) that the bus has been missed. Why is it in the news now? Because consultation on Cherwell's local plan closes at midnight tonight. They've allocated WE, to the great surprise of no one, for over 4,000 houses. Hudspeth has just woken up to this but Cherwell have had an independent planning consultancy doing the ground work on the site already according to yesterday's Oxford Times. If OUFC wanted to do this then the deadline for getting a bid in for strategic land use was March *last* year and no one did it. That's when the developers had to get their housing allocation proposals in by. WE was always a stretch but the reason this is in the papers now is actually because the door's about to slam shut, rather than because it's opening.... Cherwell have always been clear that WE is in the green belt, but that if it was going to be used for anything then their preference was housing. I'm nothing to do with Cherwell by the way, except that my area was/is one of their proposed development sites which means I've had to get up to speed with the ins and outs of what they're doing. There's something more in the Oxford Mail about it I think bringing in the Universities for a major sports centre would be the way to get this to work. and that's why we may have appointed an engineer on the University council to the board To those who despise the university we should remember that one of our best chairmen, Desmond Morris came from Oxford University. So did Dr Ceri Evans.
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Post by oxfordharrier on Jan 13, 2017 12:05:10 GMT
I thought this would have made waves on the forum! Before anyone gets too carried away, this is the county council, who have no say over development because that's the role of the districts. I did say on here the last time this came up (last April in fact I think) that the bus has been missed. Why is it in the news now? Because consultation on Cherwell's local plan closes at midnight tonight. They've allocated WE, to the great surprise of no one, for over 4,000 houses. Hudspeth has just woken up to this but Cherwell have had an independent planning consultancy doing the ground work on the site already according to yesterday's Oxford Times. If OUFC wanted to do this then the deadline for getting a bid in for strategic land use was March *last* year and no one did it. That's when the developers had to get their housing allocation proposals in by. WE was always a stretch but the reason this is in the papers now is actually because the door's about to slam shut, rather than because it's opening.... Cherwell have always been clear that WE is in the green belt, but that if it was going to be used for anything then their preference was housing. I'm nothing to do with Cherwell by the way, except that my area was/is one of their proposed development sites which means I've had to get up to speed with the ins and outs of what they're doing. There's something more in the Oxford Mail about it I think bringing in the Universities for a major sports centre would be the way to get this to work. and that's why we may have appointed an engineer on the University council to the board To those who despise the university we should remember that one of our best chairmen, Desmond Morris came from Oxford University. So did Dr Ceri Evans. Key quote in that is probably the one from Bob Price though - the city council are keen to get the districts to build them as many houses as they can, and Cherwell see this site as a way of getting them off their back and defending the rest of the district from speculation for a few years. Cherwell are working at speed here (see the OM stories about consultation over Christmas affecting Kidlington), and probably not interested in a more holistic approach which involves other bodies and will take time. They need to get their Local Plan signed off this summer for adoption Q1 next year, which given statutory obligations means they probably haven't got time to go round again and reallocate the houses. The development of Oxfordshire with 5 different local plans (4 districts and the city) has been an utter non-joined-up disaster but thanks to the way the LEP are in the driving seat, I'd be surprised if this can actually be pulled off at the 11th hour. Sport in Oxfordshire has an interest in everyone working together. Unfortunately Cherwell has not so much an interest but rather a statutory duty to get its Local Plan through for adoption by 2018. This means that at best this from IH is pontification, and at worst a distraction for them when they've predicated all their planning assumptions to date that it'll go for housing if it goes for anything.
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 13, 2017 12:35:34 GMT
Also would need Cherwell on board and they seem less keen. cpre also kicked up last time it was even mentioned I love you, OUFC, but you are bizarre sometimes. Since when did CPRE have any call over anything? Jesus, they hated the idea of Water Eaton station. If that had been you in charge of Chiltern Railways you would have just packed up your bags and said 'Oh well, that' that! I was a nice idea while it lasted.' I really, really do not understand why you are so against us having land and finance provided for an amazing new stadium. It' rather like Osborne pre-referendum. You seem so determined to pour cold water all over an obviously popular idea that you will dredge up any old reason you can find, getting increasingly desperate as you go. 'Cherwell seem less keen'. Ok, so what are you honestly, really expecting? Them to give planning permission prior to it happening, without having spoken to their local voters? Really? Meanwhile, you entirely skate over all the obvious dreadful issues with the current site barely even bothering to address serious issues such as transport, parking, capacity for expansion etc. I really, really would like to understand why you are so biased. What is the point?
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 13, 2017 12:38:51 GMT
A joined up approach with the right people coordinating individual councils and the University this could well be a future development for the whole of Oxfordshire and many many sports. The County Council would need to lead this with the buy in from Oxford City, Cherwell, West Oxfordshire and SODC. With the news that housing is being considered for many acres in and around this area, I'm sure it could gain support, however it would as I said before need the right people involved not just those who follow United. You are spot on, old friend. I'm afraid that the City Council will never be in favour of it, because they want to keep the FC within their domain. But given that they will then have the possibility of fulfilling much more of their housing quota, really they are in no position to complain. The district councils are hardly going to volunteer to take more quota off them whilst they refuse to give permission to build over a derelict stadium!
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 13, 2017 12:42:13 GMT
I thought this would have made waves on the forum! Before anyone gets too carried away, this is the personal view of IH, who is on the county council, who have no say over development because that's the role of the districts. I did say on here the last time this came up (last April in fact I think) that the bus has been missed. Why is it in the news now? Because consultation on Cherwell's local plan closes at midnight tonight. They've allocated WE round to Begbroke, to the great surprise of no one, for over 4,000 houses. Hudspeth has just woken up to this but Cherwell have had an independent planning consultancy doing the ground work on the site already according to yesterday's Oxford Times*. If OUFC wanted to do this then the deadline for getting a bid in for strategic land use was March *last* year and no one did it. That's when the developers had to get their housing allocation proposals in by. WE was always a stretch but the reason this is in the papers now is actually because the door's about to slam shut, rather than because it's opening.... Cherwell have always been clear that WE is in the green belt, but that if it was going to be used for anything then their preference was housing. IH's proposal might work as some form of "enabling" development for Cherwell's housing plans for WE/Kidlington/Begbroke, but it is moot whether in the current environment an enabling development is even necessary. DCLG seems quite open to development on greenbelt regardless. I'm nothing to do with Cherwell by the way, except that my area was/is one of their proposed development sites which means I've had to get up to speed with the ins and outs of what they're doing. *ETA- a letter in yesterday's OT Anyone thought of asking what the landowner would want, by the way, and what he might need to agree to by the way of relief roads thru his garden etc if there is to be a new town there? Just wondering....
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Post by oxfordharrier on Jan 13, 2017 12:52:48 GMT
I thought this would have made waves on the forum! Before anyone gets too carried away, this is the personal view of IH, who is on the county council, who have no say over development because that's the role of the districts. I did say on here the last time this came up (last April in fact I think) that the bus has been missed. Why is it in the news now? Because consultation on Cherwell's local plan closes at midnight tonight. They've allocated WE round to Begbroke, to the great surprise of no one, for over 4,000 houses. Hudspeth has just woken up to this but Cherwell have had an independent planning consultancy doing the ground work on the site already according to yesterday's Oxford Times*. If OUFC wanted to do this then the deadline for getting a bid in for strategic land use was March *last* year and no one did it. That's when the developers had to get their housing allocation proposals in by. WE was always a stretch but the reason this is in the papers now is actually because the door's about to slam shut, rather than because it's opening.... Cherwell have always been clear that WE is in the green belt, but that if it was going to be used for anything then their preference was housing. IH's proposal might work as some form of "enabling" development for Cherwell's housing plans for WE/Kidlington/Begbroke, but it is moot whether in the current environment an enabling development is even necessary. DCLG seems quite open to development on greenbelt regardless. I'm nothing to do with Cherwell by the way, except that my area was/is one of their proposed development sites which means I've had to get up to speed with the ins and outs of what they're doing. *ETA- a letter in yesterday's OT Anyone thought of asking what the landowner would want, by the way, and what he might need to agree to by the way of relief roads thru his garden etc if there is to be a new town there? Just wondering.... Well, you'll know better than me (because presumably you know who they are) - holding out can be a dangerous game though. That farm in the middle of the M62 springs to mind! I'm pro the idea and always have been because it makes all sorts of sense - I just think that the chances of it happening remain not great. Midnight tonight is the closing date for comments on Cherwell's plans if anyone fancies writing a submission.
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Post by sihath on Jan 13, 2017 12:55:45 GMT
Anyone thought of asking what the landowner would want, by the way, and what he might need to agree to by the way of relief roads thru his garden etc if there is to be a new town there? Just wondering.... Well, you'll know better than me (because presumably you know who they are) - holding out can be a dangerous game though. That farm in the middle of the M62 springs to mind! I'm pro the idea and always have been because it makes all sorts of sense - I just think that the chances of it happening remain not great. Midnight tonight is the closing date for comments on Cherwell's plans if anyone fancies writing a submission. How did the landowner react to the idea of a new stadium complex being built on his land?
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