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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 24, 2016 10:21:47 GMT
Absobloodylootly. The damage that some of those who are standing caused in their time, has taken a year to untangle and trust to be built. Under no circumstances should certain candidates be given ANY opportunity to wreak their havoc again. We all have a maximum of 6 votes to cast, let's hope that we choose wisely. I know where my votes will go. I think that we all know where your votes are going to go, MB, but given that your agendas have been exposed over a number of months and years, no-one should be very surprised. I would suggest that those who are genuinely interested in the Trust's future play the ball and not the men. If the reasons why various people's departure from previous OxVox committees have to be made public, then they will ALL have to be made public, including one of your preferred candidates, who committed an egregious offence. I agree with the poster who said that the crucial thing for a Trust is to be strong, fair-minded, have the right skill-sets and experience and - crucially - be truly independent. What does independent mean? It means caring more about asking the correct questions about the financial stability and sustainability of the club than currying favour with the current ownership. I find it amusing that one critic of Mark Sennett on here argues that he was too close to management as chair. Another says that he is not matey enough with management. Make your minds up boys! Either it matters to be going for quiet pints with the owner, or it doesn't... can't have it both ways. A cordial relationship with the management is desirable, but not the point. The point - and I would urge people to consider this very, very seriously - is to consider the long-term future of our club in a way that any owner, with their necessarily short-term considerations, may not be able, or willing, so to do. The reality - and I am aware that this is swept so far under the carpet that it has almost disappeared from sight - is that our club is circa £10 million in debt, is losing £1 million - £2 million a year and is committed to a medium-term stadium arrangement that makes it near impossible to improve the situation by normal means. In STRUCTURAL terms, I am not aware of many other clubs in the lower leagues that are in a worse financial position. This is not the current owner's fault. Indeed, it is arguably largely the previous owner's fault, who allowed a total idiot (who many on this thread used to suck up to relentlessly) to sign a disastrous agreement with FK on his behalf. The previous owner changed some of the structural problems facing the club by investing money into the YTS, the development squad and sports science. This has meant that we have finally started to develop our own valuable assets (Callum is probably worth £750k on the transfer market) and that we have, now, a long-term injury record that is nothing short of outstanding, meaning that we can carry smaller playing squads. But the big elephant in the room still remained unsolved. And in the last 20 months there has been no discernible progress on that front whatsoever. Again, and to repeat myself, that elephant is not the current owner's fault. But as a responsible owner it falls to him to sort it out. And to OxVox to make sure that it IS sorted out. And sorted out in a the best possible way for OUFC's long-term future, rather than in a way that stems the flow of blood for the ultra short term at the cost of the longer term. The issues are numerous and complex. There are no easy, or 'correct' answers. And various parts of the landscape - planning, contractual, stakeholder - have been, and are, shifting. Personally, as I said to Jem recently, I am far from clear what the best solution is, two years after I was asked to look at this issue. But I do believe that the Trust should have a view. The independent view of a good, honest friend. And that to come to that view the committee needs to be as experienced and capable as possible. On the basis that you should never expect others to do dirty work that you are too lazy to do yourself, I was planning to stand myself, but for reasons that will shortly become apparent that would not have been practical. So I shall be listening carefully to all the candidates and trying to ascertain what they have to bring to the biggest single issue facing our great club. Because all other issues are, frankly, peripheral and/ or red herrings. Are u joining Northampton Did oxvox get all the info from ur study passed onto them, so that they can use it?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Feb 24, 2016 10:32:26 GMT
It doesn't need saying that we require the best available people on the OxVox committee. Obviously personal skills and experience (for example, in health and safety or fundraising or accountancy practice or PR or negotiating) would be desirable, but just as important to my mind is commitment to the cause and willingness to roll sleeves up and devote time and effort to the job at hand.
The current OxVox chair lives 225 miles from the Kassam, but travels to Oxford on OxVox business whenever required, as well as supporting the club home and away, holding down a responsible position in business, and having the 'normal' trappings of family life.
As with most voluntary positions, shows of appreciation from the membership and wider OUFC support will be rare, and it will be frustrating for committee members to read on here what they 'should be doing', according to people who never lift a finger to physically help OxVox themselves. But that's life and needs to be sucked up.
Anyone who can't commit fully to the cause, irrespective of their skill base, shouldn't even consider standing, nor should anyone who thinks merely attending meetings is enough.
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Post by lodeyellow on Feb 24, 2016 10:34:43 GMT
"... committed an egregious offence."
Wow! That sounds extremely serious.
But I suspect it's not really.
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Post by charliesghost on Feb 24, 2016 10:53:39 GMT
It doesn't need saying that we require the best available people on the OxVox committee. Obviously personal skills and experience (for example, in health and safety or fundraising or accountancy practice or PR or negotiating) would be desirable, but just as important to my mind is commitment to the cause and willingness to roll sleeves up and devote time and effort to the job at hand. The current OxVox chair lives 225 miles from the Kassam, but travels to Oxford on OxVox business whenever required, as well as supporting the club home and away, holding down a responsible position in business, and having the 'normal' trappings of family life. As with most voluntary positions, shows of appreciation from the membership and wider OUFC support will be rare, and it will be frustrating for committee members to read on here what they 'should be doing', according to people who never lift a finger to physically help OxVox themselves. But that's life and needs to be sucked up. Anyone who can't commit fully to the cause, irrespective of their skill base, shouldn't even consider standing. Hundred per cent agree. I resigned from the original committee eons ago when I moved to London and had children. It's just not fair on the chairman to expect him to shoulder all the burden. And, from a distance, it looks as if that has been somewhat the case in recent months. So, yes, Jem needs people who have a history of rolling their sleeves up and actually DOING stuff. Not pontificators, nor nodding dogs.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 24, 2016 12:30:24 GMT
The ability to work in a team with Jem as leader is a further requirement, I think it's fair to add.
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Post by old on Feb 24, 2016 13:24:25 GMT
How I love it when Charlie steps up to the mark. He has yet again posted a long very worded post telling us all how he and his mates would have run our club and it would appear Oxvox. Now having read his post, it is obvious that he is behind some of these candidates and we can see what his game is. Charlie, we have enjoyed the best season in the FL for decades and in a final at Wembley. Oxvox has a great relationship with the club and its owner, a relationship built up over the last 12 months. Why would any of us want to destroy that by voting your best mate back onto the committee???
When it comes to making your choice at the Ballot Box, it makes sense to vote:-
Simon Bradbury. Mathew Cavill. Trevor Lambert. Kate Longworth. Michael North. Chloe Smart.
The above 6 will take the trust to the next level, not backwards into oblivion for both the club and Oxvox.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Feb 24, 2016 13:39:51 GMT
Where's bicesteryellow? If he's doing his forum awards again this year, I think I have a rival for greenmurphy in the conspiracy theory category.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 24, 2016 14:00:35 GMT
Where's bicesteryellow? If he's doing his forum awards again this year, I think I have a rival for greenmurphy in the conspiracy theory category. Working holiday, someone else needs to host it
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Post by sm86 on Feb 24, 2016 17:51:40 GMT
The ability to work in a team with Jem as leader is a further requirement, I think it's fair to add. Totally agree, Jem has done a great job moving things forward and increasing memberships from what he took over
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Post by pottersrightboot on Feb 24, 2016 18:50:44 GMT
Be good to have female representation on the committee. Interesting to see some big dogs back on the scene as well We're voting for candidates who are doers as opposed to pontificators. Pleasing that there's such interest in the democratic process this year.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Feb 25, 2016 13:56:31 GMT
Absobloodylootly. The damage that some of those who are standing caused in their time, has taken a year to untangle and trust to be built. Under no circumstances should certain candidates be given ANY opportunity to wreak their havoc again. We all have a maximum of 6 votes to cast, let's hope that we choose wisely. I know where my votes will go. I think that we all know where your votes are going to go, MB, but given that your agendas have been exposed over a number of months and years, no-one should be very surprised. I would suggest that those who are genuinely interested in the Trust's future play the ball and not the men. If the reasons why various people's departure from previous OxVox committees have to be made public, then they will ALL have to be made public, including one of your preferred candidates, who committed an egregious offence. I agree with the poster who said that the crucial thing for a Trust is to be strong, fair-minded, have the right skill-sets and experience and - crucially - be truly independent. What does independent mean? It means caring more about asking the correct questions about the financial stability and sustainability of the club than currying favour with the current ownership. I find it amusing that one critic of Mark Sennett on here argues that he was too close to management as chair. Another says that he is not matey enough with management. Make your minds up boys! Either it matters to be going for quiet pints with the owner, or it doesn't... can't have it both ways. A cordial relationship with the management is desirable, but not the point. The point - and I would urge people to consider this very, very seriously - is to consider the long-term future of our club in a way that any owner, with their necessarily short-term considerations, may not be able, or willing, so to do. The reality - and I am aware that this is swept so far under the carpet that it has almost disappeared from sight - is that our club is circa £10 million in debt, is losing £1 million - £2 million a year and is committed to a medium-term stadium arrangement that makes it near impossible to improve the situation by normal means. In STRUCTURAL terms, I am not aware of many other clubs in the lower leagues that are in a worse financial position. This is not the current owner's fault. Indeed, it is arguably largely the previous owner's fault, who allowed a total idiot (who many on this thread used to suck up to relentlessly) to sign a disastrous agreement with FK on his behalf. The previous owner changed some of the structural problems facing the club by investing money into the YTS, the development squad and sports science. This has meant that we have finally started to develop our own valuable assets (Callum is probably worth £750k on the transfer market) and that we have, now, a long-term injury record that is nothing short of outstanding, meaning that we can carry smaller playing squads. But the big elephant in the room still remained unsolved. And in the last 20 months there has been no discernible progress on that front whatsoever. Again, and to repeat myself, that elephant is not the current owner's fault. But as a responsible owner it falls to him to sort it out. And to OxVox to make sure that it IS sorted out. And sorted out in a the best possible way for OUFC's long-term future, rather than in a way that stems the flow of blood for the ultra short term at the cost of the longer term. The issues are numerous and complex. There are no easy, or 'correct' answers. And various parts of the landscape - planning, contractual, stakeholder - have been, and are, shifting. Personally, as I said to Jem recently, I am far from clear what the best solution is, two years after I was asked to look at this issue. But I do believe that the Trust should have a view. The independent view of a good, honest friend. And that to come to that view the committee needs to be as experienced and capable as possible. On the basis that you should never expect others to do dirty work that you are too lazy to do yourself, I was planning to stand myself, but for reasons that will shortly become apparent that would not have been practical. So I shall be listening carefully to all the candidates and trying to ascertain what they have to bring to the biggest single issue facing our great club. Because all other issues are, frankly, peripheral and/ or red herrings. Who is MB??? Does anybody know? Why doesn't he post under his own name?
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Post by lodeyellow on Feb 25, 2016 14:23:08 GMT
Might it be Mick Brown?
Seriously, someone told me not long ago who he thought "old" was. But he must have got it wrong, as that person's initials aren't MB.
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Post by MJB on Feb 25, 2016 14:23:54 GMT
Might it be Mick Brown? Seriously, someone told not long ago who he thought "old" was. But he must have got it wrong, as that person's initials aren't MB. Hope I don't get the blame for this.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 25, 2016 15:03:52 GMT
Might it be Mick Brown? Seriously, someone told not long ago who he thought "old" was. But he must have got it wrong, as that person's initials aren't MB. Hope I don't get the blame for this. You're getting the blame for this MB. There is another one at the club, but he seems a nice person and I can't see him being at all bitter about anything other than the Tory party.
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Post by foley on Feb 26, 2016 21:12:34 GMT
I think that we all know where your votes are going to go, MB, but given that your agendas have been exposed over a number of months and years, no-one should be very surprised. Who is MB??? Does anybody know? Why doesn't he post under his own name? I can't believe that MB is from the club (certainly the 'old' MB. He sounds like a slightly bitter person and I can't believe that the MB's at the club that I am aware of are like this
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Post by essexyellows on Feb 27, 2016 18:04:44 GMT
Well thats me voted .......and I weighed up many things that I think will be best for Oxvox......and I don`t mind saying whom I voted for..
Simon Bradbury. Mathew Cavill. Trevor Lambert. Kate Longworth. Michael North. Chloe Smart.
I (personally) think that provides a good balance of knowledge & experience that can be shared with the younger members/supporters. It also considers the fact that if we, the members, elect too many of the old guard then the organisation could easily go backwards and get mired in the past & political dogma.
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Post by charliesghost on Feb 29, 2016 10:33:07 GMT
Who is MB??? Does anybody know? Why doesn't he post under his own name? I can't believe that MB is from the club (certainly the 'old' MB. He sounds like a slightly bitter person and I can't believe that the MB's at the club that I am aware of are like this Of course it's not Mick or Martin (Boris, as once was). It's an embittered elderly fan who was once close to Kelvin, Merry and Co but who now barely attends a game. On the objectives, I note that one person said that being mates with Jem is important and another that the main objective of voting in six new members is building links with management. Balderdash! Jem already has as good a relationship as is necessary with management. And, in any case, the Trust's job is not just to 'build' links, but actually to do stuff. In the past, it has racked up significant wins: raising large sums; getting approval and paying for signage on the stadium;raising money so that a beloved former player cam live in a caravan; securing the option of bidding for the ground is FK wants to sell it from under us. These were all significant achievements - and then there was the fun of 6 a side football tournaments and walks to wycombe etc. Not one of these things involved, or at any significant degree, 'building links to management', whatever that means. They involved people actually getting off their arses and organising stuff. Jem is doing a noble, and appreciated, job by running the committee from several hundred miles away. But he needs active support. It is noticeable that in the last 18 months most - if not all - of the activities listed above have ceased. Unless there has been a strategic decision to stop doing stuff that can only be because people on the committee who live more locally to Oxford are not doing much. So I shall vote for people who have a history of actually getting their hands dirty and organising positive things, irrespective of whether they are good at sucking up, either to Jem (who is big enough to deal with all sorts) or the club (who -quite rightly - don't give much of a toss either way).
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Post by Pete Burrett on Feb 29, 2016 10:39:15 GMT
We need a committee that has the respect of OUFC management, but is not too chummy with them. The latter way can only lead to a diminution of OxVox's independence and of their credibility amongst the fan base.
Skilled, hardworking team happy to be under Jem's leadership please.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 29, 2016 11:42:27 GMT
On the objectives, I note that one person said that being mates with Jem is important I dunno if you're referring to a post of mine; I hope not since what I said was that to "be able to work as a team under Jem's leadership" was important, not 'being mates'. Otherwise I agree with what you say and must say you express yourself quite well for a whippersnapper.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 1, 2016 12:02:49 GMT
I can't believe that MB is from the club (certainly the 'old' MB. He sounds like a slightly bitter person and I can't believe that the MB's at the club that I am aware of are like this Of course it's not Mick or Martin (Boris, as once was). It's an embittered elderly fan who was once close to Kelvin, Merry and Co but who now barely attends a game. On the objectives, I note that one person said that being mates with Jem is important and another that the main objective of voting in six new members is building links with management. Balderdash! Jem already has as good a relationship as is necessary with management. And, in any case, the Trust's job is not just to 'build' links, but actually to do stuff. In the past, it has racked up significant wins: raising large sums; getting approval and paying for signage on the stadium;raising money so that a beloved former player cam live in a caravan; securing the option of bidding for the ground is FK wants to sell it from under us.These were all significant achievements - and then there was the fun of 6 a side football tournaments and walks to wycombe etc. Not one of these things involved, or at any significant degree, 'building links to management', whatever that means. They involved people actually getting off their arses and organising stuff. Jem is doing a noble, and appreciated, job by running the committee from several hundred miles away. But he needs active support. It is noticeable that in the last 18 months most - if not all - of the activities listed above have ceased. Unless there has been a strategic decision to stop doing stuff that can only be because people on the committee who live more locally to Oxford are not doing much. So I shall vote for people who have a history of actually getting their hands dirty and organising positive things, irrespective of whether they are good at sucking up, either to Jem (who is big enough to deal with all sorts) or the club (who -quite rightly - don't give much of a toss either way). Just a couple of points; The raising of large sums, are we talking about Oxvox or the separate 12th man fund? I believe Trevor was at the helm at the start of these ventures. The CRTB was not carried out by Oxvox but by individuals inside the organization without the knowledge of their committee or membership, I hope we are a bit more transparent than those days.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Mar 1, 2016 12:37:41 GMT
That's not correct Mick. The entire committee voted in favour of doing the right to bid and the council did not want the application being public knowledge as it would potentially lead to press and community pressure on the decision. Everyone on the committee knew what was going in and were in favour and reviewed the application before it was submitted.
Trevor was part of the committee when 12th man was created after the suggestion of one Roley!.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 1, 2016 14:04:12 GMT
That's not correct Mick. The entire committee voted in favour of doing the right to bid and the council did not want the application being public knowledge as it would potentially lead to press and community pressure on the decision. Everyone on the committee knew what was going in and were in favour and reviewed the application before it was submitted. Trevor was part of the committee when 12th man was created after the suggestion of one Roley!. Thanks for the clarification on the CRTB I'm sure your version is correct. My mind is a bit sketchy on what you said to me back then, I know you disclosed it to them in the end. So who raised the funds mentioned Oxvox or the 12th man?
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Post by charliesghost on Mar 1, 2016 14:18:47 GMT
Of course it's not Mick or Martin (Boris, as once was). It's an embittered elderly fan who was once close to Kelvin, Merry and Co but who now barely attends a game. On the objectives, I note that one person said that being mates with Jem is important and another that the main objective of voting in six new members is building links with management. Balderdash! Jem already has as good a relationship as is necessary with management. And, in any case, the Trust's job is not just to 'build' links, but actually to do stuff. In the past, it has racked up significant wins: raising large sums; getting approval and paying for signage on the stadium;raising money so that a beloved former player cam live in a caravan; securing the option of bidding for the ground is FK wants to sell it from under us.These were all significant achievements - and then there was the fun of 6 a side football tournaments and walks to wycombe etc. Not one of these things involved, or at any significant degree, 'building links to management', whatever that means. They involved people actually getting off their arses and organising stuff. Jem is doing a noble, and appreciated, job by running the committee from several hundred miles away. But he needs active support. It is noticeable that in the last 18 months most - if not all - of the activities listed above have ceased. Unless there has been a strategic decision to stop doing stuff that can only be because people on the committee who live more locally to Oxford are not doing much. So I shall vote for people who have a history of actually getting their hands dirty and organising positive things, irrespective of whether they are good at sucking up, either to Jem (who is big enough to deal with all sorts) or the club (who -quite rightly - don't give much of a toss either way). Just a couple of points; The raising of large sums, are we talking about Oxvox or the separate 12th man fund? I believe Trevor was at the helm at the start of these ventures. The CRTB was not carried out by Oxvox but by individuals inside the organization without the knowledge of their committee or membership, I hope we are a bit more transparent than those days. . In terms of transparency, your hilariously one-eyed view of history bears some inspection, rather than being taken as read. A previous OxVox chairman had to resign after having sensitive discussions 'off-line' with the then club chairman against the wishes of his committee. That chairman was not Mark Sennett. Do we really have to go into all the gory details? Maybe we do.... As for 'transparency', it is - and I'm sure will remain - a difficult issue for every chairman. The chairman has to decide whether or not it is in the best interests of OxVox/ the club/ the universe whether or not to share everything he gets told. There is a significant announcement upcoming from the club, which I'm told the current chairman is aware of. Has he shared it with his committee? Not that I'm aware. Should he have done so? Can't see the benefit of him doing so myself. But in the interests of the 'transparency' which you seem so concerned about, perhaps you would want him to. I note that you do not contest my point that very little has actually been DONE in the last eighteen months. This, to my mind, is not an insignificant point. I'd value your views on it. What actually is the point of this organisation?
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Post by londonroader on Mar 1, 2016 14:24:55 GMT
Just a couple of points; The raising of large sums, are we talking about Oxvox or the separate 12th man fund? I believe Trevor was at the helm at the start of these ventures. The CRTB was not carried out by Oxvox but by individuals inside the organization without the knowledge of their committee or membership, I hope we are a bit more transparent than those days. . In terms of transparency, your hilariously one-eyed view of history bears some inspection, rather than being taken as read. A previous OxVox chairman had to resign after having sensitive discussions 'off-line' with the then club chairman against the wishes of his committee. That chairman was not Mark Sennett. Do we really have to go into all the gory details? Maybe we do.... As for 'transparency', it is - and I'm sure will remain - a difficult issue for every chairman. The chairman has to decide whether or not it is in the best interests of OxVox/ the club/ the universe whether or not to share everything he gets told. There is a significant announcement upcoming from the club, which I'm told the current chairman is aware of. Has he shared it with his committee? Not that I'm aware. Should he have done so? Can't see the benefit of him doing so myself. But in the interests of the 'transparency' which you seem so concerned about, perhaps you would want him to. I note that you do not contest my point that very little has actually been DONE in the last eighteen months. This, to my mind, is not an insignificant point. I'd value your views on it. What actually is the point of this organisation? .
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Post by mcf86 on Mar 1, 2016 14:28:52 GMT
Done Voting. Brown envelopes only please.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Mar 1, 2016 15:29:47 GMT
OxVox created and then administered the 12th man for the first two/three years of its existence where the vast majority is of the funds raised so effectively they were one and the same at that period
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Post by MJB on Mar 1, 2016 19:36:29 GMT
Just a couple of points; The raising of large sums, are we talking about Oxvox or the separate 12th man fund? I believe Trevor was at the helm at the start of these ventures. The CRTB was not carried out by Oxvox but by individuals inside the organization without the knowledge of their committee or membership, I hope we are a bit more transparent than those days. . In terms of transparency, your hilariously one-eyed view of history bears some inspection, rather than being taken as read. A previous OxVox chairman had to resign after having sensitive discussions 'off-line' with the then club chairman against the wishes of his committee. That chairman was not Mark Sennett. Do we really have to go into all the gory details? Maybe we do.... As for 'transparency', it is - and I'm sure will remain - a difficult issue for every chairman. The chairman has to decide whether or not it is in the best interests of OxVox/ the club/ the universe whether or not to share everything he gets told. There is a significant announcement upcoming from the club, which I'm told the current chairman is aware of. Has he shared it with his committee? Not that I'm aware. Should he have done so? Can't see the benefit of him doing so myself. But in the interests of the 'transparency' which you seem so concerned about, perhaps you would want him to. I note that you do not contest my point that very little has actually been DONE in the last eighteen months. This, to my mind, is not an insignificant point. I'd value your views on it. What actually is the point of this organisation? Very intrigued by this big announcement...
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Post by finlandia on Mar 1, 2016 21:53:20 GMT
You see Charlie - there is the problem. You are aware on an announcement, you are aware that the Chairmen is aware of it - by alluding to it on here, its harking back to the days of we know, you don't and we are not going to tell you. Why mention it? Why cause discussions on here? Best way is to keep quiet until an announcement is made.
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 1, 2016 22:07:14 GMT
If it's a big announcement that we've brought the kassam will u finally shut up about watereaton and get behind the club. Any way I'd personally like to welcome mr kassam back on board with the free gift of a stadium with a newly named firoz stand to be built immanently Actually now u have pretty much let the cat out of the bag , could we just clarify is it a good cat or a bad cat ?
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Post by Barts on Mar 1, 2016 22:46:45 GMT
Just a couple of points; The raising of large sums, are we talking about Oxvox or the separate 12th man fund? I believe Trevor was at the helm at the start of these ventures. The CRTB was not carried out by Oxvox but by individuals inside the organization without the knowledge of their committee or membership, I hope we are a bit more transparent than those days. . In terms of transparency, your hilariously one-eyed view of history bears some inspection, rather than being taken as read. A previous OxVox chairman had to resign after having sensitive discussions 'off-line' with the then club chairman against the wishes of his committee. That chairman was not Mark Sennett. Do we really have to go into all the gory details? Maybe we do.... As for 'transparency', it is - and I'm sure will remain - a difficult issue for every chairman. The chairman has to decide whether or not it is in the best interests of OxVox/ the club/ the universe whether or not to share everything he gets told. There is a significant announcement upcoming from the club, which I'm told the current chairman is aware of. Has he shared it with his committee? Not that I'm aware. Should he have done so? Can't see the benefit of him doing so myself. But in the interests of the 'transparency' which you seem so concerned about, perhaps you would want him to. I note that you do not contest my point that very little has actually been DONE in the last eighteen months. This, to my mind, is not an insignificant point. I'd value your views on it. What actually is the point of this organisation? You have and do make excellent points Charlie. But why do you feel the need to allude to an announcement that's going to be made by the club? Surely that's down to the club to do, or have you become a spokesman for the club and is this the announcement that there is to be an announcement?
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