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Post by essexyellows on Nov 22, 2014 21:00:41 GMT
Its relevant because nobody seems willing to show any accountability for the money, a point raised by a fair few after 12th Man/YA et al sprung up rather than piling in alongside a democratic & accountable supporters group.
Some may think "Oh its only a few quid here & there"..... but multiply £2-£3 by 3,000+ folk and it develops its own "need" for accountability before bitter & twisted folk start casting aspersions.
As somebody who is Treasurer for a number of voluntary groups I have to account for every last bean & that is cross checked & audit-able. Its not difficult.
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Post by finlandia on Nov 23, 2014 9:35:48 GMT
Surely the 12th Man fund could have spent money on whatever they liked in the same way as the YA so not sure how that's relevant. They can, the point is there seems to be no structure, accountability or audit for monies donated. A question was asked, an update was promised but none has been given. We have now been asked to buy raffle tickets, more money and still no update. I've given cash, sponsored players and helped out before; I'm getting slighly uncomy that simple questions can't be answered very quickly. Can we please put this to bed once and for all by Who is controlling the monies? Who is acting as treasurer? Who has sign off for expenditure? Who decides what the monies are spent on? How much has been collected this season from what! The longer this goes on, the more people will ask, and quite rightly given that its there money. Just give us some transperacy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:16:25 GMT
I'm finding this thread frustrating. Of course we're all grateful to the YA volunteers who willingly give their time and energy (and money) to the cause and don't expect, or receive much praise for doing it. That doesn't mean that YA are beyond criticism though. This whole debate could, as others have already said, so easily have been put to bed by now, and I'm scratching my head as to why it hasn't been. The basic tenet of njones' concerns are reasonable, although he won't be taken too seriously as we all know he's a one-trick, divisive pony. There is a need for transparency in this regard though. The data on the YA site (linked above) may well be an accurate reflection of fund-raising, but there isn't a date attached to it and it doesn't seem to be updated very often. Basic housekeeping, easily put right. And there certainly needs to be audited, published accounts too. (Maybe there are, but if so there should be a link to them on the YA website). Get organised, take these simple steps and you take away the platform that njones is currently occupying, and enjoying himself immensely doing so. I find your insults a little galling YH. Far from me being divisive, I am prepare to challenge posters like Methven and his gang who continuously pour out what I would deem as very divisive indeed. They have ruled this forum for far to long and are part of the problem not the answer. Now can we as supporters have some facts regarding the raising of funds under the banner of Yellow Army. We have some information that would suggest there is a group who are responsible for the handling of the money. If those who run YA cannot or are not prepared to give us the answers, then we as supporters should withdraw financial support until they do. Maybe the club can shed light on this situation?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 23, 2014 17:28:47 GMT
Isn't there still 15k from the 12th man fund....Or have I missed something. PS if njones wants to withdraw his financial support, Then fine I am sure YA will miss it!
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 23, 2014 17:31:23 GMT
Think that went on Morris. Loan fee and wages
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 23, 2014 17:46:12 GMT
Think that went on Morris. Loan fee and wages Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:23:45 GMT
Isn't there still 15k from the 12th man fund....Or have I missed something. PS if njones wants to withdraw his financial support, Then fine I am sure YA will miss it! As you will note from the link below, the 12th man fund published details of their funds and donations. You will also be aware that Trevor also posted details on this forum as it was important to keep fans updated regarding the financial position of the 12th man. ox12thman.org.uk
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Post by Long John Silver on Nov 23, 2014 20:03:15 GMT
Surely the 12th Man fund could have spent money on whatever they liked in the same way as the YA so not sure how that's relevant. No they couldn't. The 12th man fund could only be used for player recruitment purposes ... It was written into the T&C's.
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Post by nick68 on Nov 23, 2014 21:03:08 GMT
Surely the 12th Man fund could have spent money on whatever they liked in the same way as the YA so not sure how that's relevant. No they couldn't. The 12th man fund could only be used for player recruitment purposes ... It was written into the T&C's. Really, I'm sure I saw them selling merchandise so where did the money come for that?
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Post by Kerry Yellow on Nov 23, 2014 22:37:51 GMT
Isn't there still 15k from the 12th man fund....Or have I missed something. PS if njones wants to withdraw his financial support, Then fine I am sure YA will miss it! As you will note from the link below, the 12th man fund published details of their funds and donations. You will also be aware that Trevor also posted details on this forum as it was important to keep fans updated regarding the financial position of the 12th man. ox12thman.org.ukMr Jones, a question to you - are you a member of OxVox? If so, perhaps you could ask Mark Sennett for his views on the amount of money currently raised by the YA as I think he might be able to help answer the question that is so obviously so dear to your heart. Mr Sennett can be contacted via e-mail at chair@oxvox.org.uk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 22:49:32 GMT
When I read threads like this I dont really get why anyone would want to volunteer their time to help progress the club. It's really not worth the grief.
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Post by foley on Nov 24, 2014 9:58:54 GMT
When I read threads like this I dont really get why anyone would want to volunteer their time to help progress the club. It's really not worth the grief. I kind of understand where you are coming from Ricky, but in reality it would not take much to just provide some pretty basic information on what money has come in and where it has been spent? I would think that this should be published regularly and as others have suggested there should be transparency on this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:01:26 GMT
When I read threads like this I dont really get why anyone would want to volunteer their time to help progress the club. It's really not worth the grief. I kind of understand where you are coming from Ricky, but in reality it would not take much to just provide some pretty basic information on what money has come in and where it has been spent? I would think that this should be published regularly and as others have suggested there should be transparency on this. I agree that there should be transparency but it could just as easily be done on an annual basis and be sufficient given the sheer small scale and fact it's a bunch of volunteers. And I say that as a professional auditor. We're making out like the yellow army is an investment bank. It's just one prats agenda
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 24, 2014 10:09:40 GMT
This hasn't been forgotten about. There are currently a small group of volunteers, and with the Manor book, raffle, and other things going on, the update hasn't happened yet.
It will happen and is being sorted. There was an email sent about it at 2.45am this morning, which woke me up. So it is on the list of things to do. Hopefully today or tomorrow it will happen, and it will then be updated on a monthly basis.
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Post by foley on Nov 24, 2014 10:13:17 GMT
This hasn't been forgotten about. There are currently a small group of volunteers, and with the Manor book, raffle, and other things going on, the update hasn't happened yet. It will happen and is being sorted. There was an email sent about it at 2.45am this morning, which woke me up. So it is on the list of things to do. Hopefully today or tomorrow it will happen, and it will then be updated on a monthly basis. Sounds good John. Well done to all of the volunteers putting their own time in.
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Post by sihath on Nov 24, 2014 10:22:18 GMT
This hasn't been forgotten about. There are currently a small group of volunteers, and with the Manor book, raffle, and other things going on, the update hasn't happened yet. It will happen and is being sorted. There was an email sent about it at 2.45am this morning, which woke me up. So it is on the list of things to do. Hopefully today or tomorrow it will happen, and it will then be updated on a monthly basis. Sounds good John. Well done to all of the volunteers putting their own time in. I'll echo that.
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Post by langansshinpads on Nov 24, 2014 16:35:42 GMT
Hi all, apparently someone wanted the latest figures....link to YA site below and figures copy and pasted. As mentioned above, we've been flat out with the Manor memories book and getting the raffle up and running, on the back YA Day. Also there is talk of another sponsored walk and a party and probably another YA Day at some point. Also planning to seek out sponsors for the book which will help cover printing costs. In terms of fundraising the raffle and the book are the two big projects. Merchandise continues to sell reasonably well. Do take a look around the website and bear the raffle and the merch in mind as you do your Xmas shopping! The raffle prizes are brilliant - so as fans we need to show the club it is worth doing. We took £713 in ticket sales on Saturday, so a decent start. The figures are totals since the YA began - which results in what's in the bank today. Aim now is to update the website with this on a monthly basis. One other thing - the £1 entry to the Manor Bar was dropped at the Wycombe game and won't be re-introduced. Thanks all! REVENUE: David Langan collection: £5,146 BBQ: £1,555 Big Walk: £2,822 Merchandise sales: £2,527 Door: £1,105 Donation: £20 Flag Bearer: £100 Christmas Raffle: £712 Oxvox 6-aside: £170 TOTAL: £14,157 COSTS / DONATIONS: David Langan’s medals £5,146 Helen and Douglas House (Big Walk) £1,411 David Connolly shirt sponsorship: £144 Merchandise: £2,650.21 Bags to store merchandise: £12.65 Domain name: £6.98 Book flyers: £25 YA Day flags £460 TOTAL £9,855.84 TOTAL IN BANK: £4301.16 www.yellowarmy.co.uk/fund-tally/
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 24, 2014 16:44:01 GMT
Thanks for the update LSP, good to put this thread to bed.
Keep up the good work all.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Nov 24, 2014 16:46:48 GMT
Blame me for that Paul. The idea is the Yellow Army is something for every Oxford fan to be part of. Instead of having a separate group for flags, another one for fundraising, another for certain fans to be part of, everything is done under a name already associated with Oxford United fans. There is no committee or membership scheme, and anyone involved In any activity or organising things is just a fan volunteering. It's a way to unite the fanbase. Whether a fan volunteers, comes along to matches, or follows from afar, we are all together as fans. Of course things could be done better at times, and no one should be forced to feel part of it. But if fans unite, then following Oxford United is a better experience for all. We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club. So who decides what the funds raised are spent on then?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 24, 2014 16:56:23 GMT
Nice to see LSP, Well done YA
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 24, 2014 17:06:06 GMT
Why drop the £1 door charge £1100 seems a big chunk to miss out on. Did many. Ore use the bar at Wycombe when it's free. Not a pop, the work u guys do is amazing and have several ya Xmas presents already sorted. What about Santa hats for Boxing Day with merry ox mas on. Know if pay couple of quid towards those, any unsold can be rolled out every season. Good bit of advertising at santas on the run as well
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Post by nick68 on Nov 24, 2014 18:35:33 GMT
Why drop the £1 door charge £1100 seems a big chunk to miss out on. Did many. Ore use the bar at Wycombe when it's free. Not a pop, the work u guys do is amazing and have several ya Xmas presents already sorted. What about Santa hats for Boxing Day with merry ox mas on. Know if pay couple of quid towards those, any unsold can be rolled out every season. Good bit of advertising at santas on the run as well Got to be yellow and blue Santa hats, none of this red and white nonsense
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 24, 2014 18:37:30 GMT
Why drop the £1 door charge £1100 seems a big chunk to miss out on. Did many. Ore use the bar at Wycombe when it's free. Not a pop, the work u guys do is amazing and have several ya Xmas presents already sorted. What about Santa hats for Boxing Day with merry ox mas on. Know if pay couple of quid towards those, any unsold can be rolled out every season. Good bit of advertising at santas on the run as well Got to be yellow and blue Santa hats, none of this red and white nonsense Good point, although hopefully everything red and white will start coming down after new year. Would you buy 1 ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 18:46:35 GMT
Aug 23, 2014 at 8:13pm finlandia said: Who is in charge? What is the mandate? What are the aims? Who controls the cash? Who approves the spend? Who are the elected officials? Sorry, not giving a penny unless I know the above Below is a copy of a post by Mark Sennett in reply to finlandia. There were no elected officials on the 12th man and there aren't on the YA. The bank signatories are myself, Joe Nicholls, Greig Box Turnbull. The decisions on spend for merchandise are made by myself, Charlie methven, joe nicholls, matt organ, greig box turnbull. The constitution will appear soon on the YA website. I handle all the cash and I bank it all. Aims are to raise funds for Oxford United Youth and Community Trust and for projects to improve the match day atmosphere (eg banners and displays). Split of profits is 80% to OUYCT and 20% to match day atmosphere. Breakdown of costs and income is on our website. This will soon be updated to include first 2 games takings. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/search/results?who_at_least_one=58&where_thread_title=Yellow+army&display_as=0#ixzz3K0qXCimBThe original question states quite clearly what funds have been raised since the start of THIS season. The figures that have been copied from the YA web site do not make that clear. So the question has still not been answered. As is stated the YA has no elected officials, Why not? The post by Mark. Sennett clearly states the split on profits, it does however fail to mention the woman's football donations? ricky, feel free to verbally abuse me as it certainly makes my case even stronger. Eric. FYI I will not be purchasing any raffle tickets.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 24, 2014 18:49:09 GMT
How about a merry ox mas hat ??
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Post by Colin B on Nov 24, 2014 19:03:53 GMT
Aug 23, 2014 at 8:13pm finlandia said: Who is in charge? What is the mandate? What are the aims? Who controls the cash? Who approves the spend? Who are the elected officials? Sorry, not giving a penny unless I know the above Below is a copy of a post by Mark Sennett in reply to finlandia. There were no elected officials on the 12th man and there aren't on the YA. The bank signatories are myself, Joe Nicholls, Greig Box Turnbull. The decisions on spend for merchandise are made by myself, Charlie methven, joe nicholls, matt organ, greig box turnbull. The constitution will appear soon on the YA website. I handle all the cash and I bank it all. Aims are to raise funds for Oxford United Youth and Community Trust and for projects to improve the match day atmosphere (eg banners and displays). Split of profits is 80% to OUYCT and 20% to match day atmosphere. Breakdown of costs and income is on our website. This will soon be updated to include first 2 games takings. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/search/results?who_at_least_one=58&where_thread_title=Yellow+army&display_as=0#ixzz3K0qXCimBThe original question states quite clearly what funds have been raised since the start of THIS season. The figures that have been copied from the YA web site do not make that clear. So the question has still not been answered. As is stated the YA has no elected officials, Why not? The post by Mark. Sennett clearly states the split on profits, it does however fail to mention the woman's football donations? ricky, feel free to verbally abuse me as it certainly makes my case even stronger. Eric. FYI I will not be purchasing any raffle tickets. Then you won't win anything. Ever feel that you're in a club with only one "member"?
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 24, 2014 19:11:13 GMT
Aug 23, 2014 at 8:13pm finlandia said: Who is in charge? What is the mandate? What are the aims? Who controls the cash? Who approves the spend? Who are the elected officials? Sorry, not giving a penny unless I know the above There were no elected officials on the 12th man and there aren't on the YA. The bank signatories are myself, Joe Nicholls, Greig Box Turnbull. The decisions on spend for merchandise are made by myself, Charlie methven, joe nicholls, matt organ, greig box turnbull. The constitution will appear soon on the YA website. I handle all the cash and I bank it all. Aims are to raise funds for Oxford United Youth and Community Trust and for projects to improve the match day atmosphere (eg banners and displays). Split of profits is 80% to OUYCT and 20% to match day atmosphere. Breakdown of costs and income is on our website. This will soon be updated to include first 2 games takings. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/search/results?who_at_least_one=58&where_thread_title=Yellow+army&display_as=0#ixzz3K0qXCimBThe original question states quite clearly what funds have been raised since the start of THIS season. The figures that have been copied from the YA web site do not make that clear. So the question has still not been answered. As is stated the YA has no elected officials, Why not? The post by Mark. Sennett clearly states the split on profits, it does however fail to mention the woman's football donations? ricky, feel free to verbally abuse me as it certainly makes my case even stronger. Eric. FYI I will not be purchasing any raffle tickets. Is not the women's football element of OUFC effectively part of the YCT? Last time I checked, Les Taylor was the manager, they trained at the Academy and they benefit directly from the Girls section of the Academy. The YCT effectively provides all these services to the WSL team. On the rest, not sure what your point is. Let alone how it is being made stronger (though I guess it's starting from a low base). A good amount of money is being raised (more than last season by the 12th Man), the YA is actively engaged with the club's management that you profess to adore. If you've got a problem with the set-up, why not address it with Mark Ashton? Otherwise, insulting people like langansshinpads, john lennon et al will not win you many fans on here. Your proud boast not to have bought any tickets for the Xmas raffle is deeply odd.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 24, 2014 19:35:13 GMT
Aug 23, 2014 at 8:13pm finlandia said: Who is in charge? What is the mandate? What are the aims? Who controls the cash? Who approves the spend? Who are the elected officials?
Sorry, not giving a penny unless I know the above
Below is a copy of a post by Mark Sennett in reply to finlandia. There were no elected officials on the 12th man and there aren't on the YA. The bank signatories are myself, Joe Nicholls, Greig Box Turnbull. The decisions on spend for merchandise are made by myself, Charlie methven, joe nicholls, matt organ, greig box turnbull. The constitution will appear soon on the YA website. I handle all the cash and I bank it all. Aims are to raise funds for Oxford United Youth and Community Trust and for projects to improve the match day atmosphere (eg banners and displays). Split of profits is 80% to OUYCT and 20% to match day atmosphere. Breakdown of costs and income is on our website. This will soon be updated to include first 2 games takings. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/search/results?who_at_least_one=58&where_thread_title=Yellow+army&display_as=0#ixzz3K0qXCimBThe original question states quite clearly what funds have been raised since the start of THIS season. The figures that have been copied from the YA web site do not make that clear. So the question has still not been answered. As is stated the YA has no elected officials, Why not? The post by Mark. Sennett clearly states the split on profits, it does however fail to mention the woman's football donations? ricky, feel free to verbally abuse me as it certainly makes my case even stronger. Eric. FYI I will not be purchasing any raffle tickets. Want, Want, Want, Want, Want, Want, What more do you want? You dont want to give another penny, Fine. I am sure that YA are concerned over this statement of yours, Doubt whether they a bothered by it. Your question has been answered!
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Post by nick68 on Nov 24, 2014 20:25:36 GMT
Got to be yellow and blue Santa hats, none of this red and white nonsense Good point, although hopefully everything red and white will start coming down after new year. Would you buy 1 ?? Sure
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 25, 2014 8:13:19 GMT
Are we still waiting on the real identity of N Jones?
He is very keen to ask questions behind a false identity, but not so keen to be open about who he really is.
He once said he is a member of OxVox. There will be a membership number that tallies with his name. I'm guessing his real name, and not N Jones, will appear.
Feel free to prove me wrong Mr Jones. No one seems to know an N Jones.
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