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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 13:37:07 GMT
The 12th man gave us regular up dates on funds raised from various events, can we have the same from YA please. It would be nice to know how much money was raised from the recent Yellow Army day and monies raised since the start of THIS season.
how much has been raised from the entrance fee for the Manor Bar and how much profit has been raised from the YA merchandise?
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Post by foley on Nov 13, 2014 14:42:29 GMT
Yes I agree. There does need to be total transparency on the funds raised and what happens to it.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 13, 2014 20:31:01 GMT
Still can't quite decide which refugee from YellowVoice njones is? There are a couple of prime suspects..............
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 0:15:03 GMT
The 12th man gave us regular up dates on funds raised from various events, can we have the same from YA please. It would be nice to know how much money was raised from the recent Yellow Army day and monies raised since the start of THIS season. how much has been raised from the entrance fee for the Manor Bar and how much profit has been raised from the YA merchandise? I'm really angry that you're treating Ensco like this when you know their heart is in the right place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 7:55:05 GMT
So yet again the Neanderthal responses from the few who have issues with the truth. Now let's cut the crap and release some figures of funds raised so far. There has been a number of us who have parted with money for this cause and it's only right that we are given information regarding the profit and loss from the start of this season.
i and other await the response, however we do expect a few more like the last two as that is what this forum has resorted too since it became the official forum of the ST.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 8:02:40 GMT
So yet again the Neanderthal responses from the few who have issues with the truth. Now let's cut the crap and release some figures of funds raised so far. There has been a number of us who have parted with money for this cause and it's only right that we are given information regarding the profit and loss from the start of this season. i and other await the response, however we do expect a few more like the last two as that is what this forum has resorted too since it became the official forum of the ST. For a start name calling always reflects on the name caller rather than those labelled. Secondly can you not see how grossly hypocritical you are that you name called and berated anyone who asked similar questions of Ensco? It's a salient point highlighting the fact that you are unable to develop a consistent position of what is acceptable to you and what isn't.
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 8:06:19 GMT
NJones, if you are that interested in knowing the figures, email info@yellowarmy.co.uk under your real identity.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 14, 2014 8:08:28 GMT
So yet again the Neanderthal responses from the few who have issues with the truth. Now let's cut the crap and release some figures of funds raised so far. There has been a number of us who have parted with money for this cause and it's only right that we are given information regarding the profit and loss from the start of this season. i and other await the response, however we do expect a few more like the last two as that is what this forum has resorted too since it became the official forum of the ST. You are so blatantly one of the YellowVoice anti Oxvox one agenda crowd. That's your prerogative. But why deny it? Why resort instantly to insults when you're questioned? You don't do yourself any favours and don't fool anyone with your responses, they are the actions of someone who won't debate or discuss. If I'm one of the "Neanderthals" that you refer to then it says everything about you. As I understand it the Yellowarmy (and I'm not part of it, nor particularly a supporter of it) is a non profit organisation and have a remit to raise money toward improving the match day experience, not fundraising for the club, a la 12th Man? It wouldn't be a bad idea for them to publish something, but I don't see hordes of people demanding it. Let's face it, your little cabal has been disbanded and you don't like being on the outside looking in, do you?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 8:12:54 GMT
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Post by lodeyellow on Nov 14, 2014 8:39:02 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere a few weeks ago that updates of funds raised would be regularly published on the Yellow Army site. Isn't this the case?
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 14, 2014 8:40:33 GMT
it became the official forum of the ST. What is the 'ST'? As for the fund totals, I guess a simple web search for this information is beyond a mere 'Neanderthal' so allow me... are we to presume that this page... YA Website - Fund Tally...is incorrect then? Or is more information required on it? Is it not up-to-date?
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Post by lodeyellow on Nov 14, 2014 8:43:33 GMT
I think ST probably stands for "Supporters' Trust".
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 8:49:44 GMT
I guess a simple web search for this information is beyond a mere 'Neanderthal' so allow me... are we to presume that this page... YA Website - Fund TallyYou guessed right, in my case anyway As Steve alluded, the one thing missing from that page is the date of posting.
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 14, 2014 8:51:48 GMT
I think ST probably stands for "Supporters' Trust". Of course, thanks. (in my defence, it is early and haven't had my first cuppa of the day yet...)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:18:32 GMT
OK, I've read the Yellow Army funding summary. Not good enough. At the Northampton game I pressed a £1 coin into the sweaty mitt of Mark Sennett and specifically requested it go towards a new drinking bowl for Mitzy, the club cat. Where is my generous donation detailed in the summary?
I'm not suggesting that my hard-earned went to the OxVox Committee "hamburger at half time fund", but Njones is right. Where's the accountability? More importantly, where's the drinking bowl?
Wake up people. Stop cow-towing to the OxVox mafia on here. Demand to know where YOUR donations are going.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:57:42 GMT
Here we go again. Just a simple request regarding transparity of funds raised since the start of this season and all hell breaks out. Now let's try again.
Can those who run Yellow Army please publish on this forum the amount of money raised so far THIS season (from the start of August 2014) and include the monies raised from the Yellow Army Day, the amount collected from those who paid to enter the Manor Bar and the profit on the sale of YA merchandise.
The 12 man gave regular updates of money raised and therefore all those fans who gave money had both information and transparency about how they operated. Trevor and his team were excellent when it came to keeping the 12th man supporters informed.
I'm sure that those who run the YA and those who hold this information have nothing to hide, will be more than happy to publish details of how successful these fund raisers have been.
It's very important for the future of YA that this information is published on an ongoing basis.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 10:02:05 GMT
Please supply details of what is inadequate about what is published here.I am ruling the inconvenience that you have to find a link inadmissible otherwise we will end up debating why BBC Oxford isn't running a ticker feed on their TV bulletins. PS. I have already given you one hint above
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:04:18 GMT
So yet again the Neanderthal responses from the few who have issues with the truth. Now let's cut the crap and release some figures of funds raised so far. There has been a number of us who have parted with money for this cause and it's only right that we are given information regarding the profit and loss from the start of this season. i and other await the response, however we do expect a few more like the last two as that is what this forum has resorted too since it became the official forum of the ST. For a start name calling always reflects on the name caller rather than those labelled. Secondly can you not see how grossly hypocritical you are that you name called and berated anyone who asked similar questions of Ensco? It's a salient point highlighting the fact that you are unable to develop a consistent position of what is acceptable to you and what isn't. ENSCO is not in the business of raising funds from supporter donations. Yellow Army is basically a fund raising machine and therefore should morally lets the donors know what the position is when requested. Why is it so difficult for you to make public the fact that so far this season YA has raised £xxxxx number of pounds? The problem with the current replies would suggest that all may not be as it seems, now I'm sure that is not the case and look forward to seeing the how much we have raised so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:04:23 GMT
Just out of interest why is the monthly breakdown so important to you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:06:21 GMT
For a start name calling always reflects on the name caller rather than those labelled. Secondly can you not see how grossly hypocritical you are that you name called and berated anyone who asked similar questions of Ensco? It's a salient point highlighting the fact that you are unable to develop a consistent position of what is acceptable to you and what isn't. ENSCO is not in the business of raising funds from supporter donations. Yellow Army is basically a fund raising machine and therefore should morally lets the donors know what the position is when requested. Why is it so difficult for you to make public the fact that so far this season YA has raised £xxxxx number of pounds? The problem with the current replies would suggest that all may not be as it seems, now I'm sure that is not the case and look forward to seeing the how much we have raised so far. I guess the reason I find it really difficult is that I'm nothing to do with the yellow army. Ooooooooh conspiracy!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:10:04 GMT
ENSCO is not in the business of raising funds from supporter donations. Yellow Army is basically a fund raising machine and therefore should morally lets the donors know what the position is when requested. Why is it so difficult for you to make public the fact that so far this season YA has raised £xxxxx number of pounds? The problem with the current replies would suggest that all may not be as it seems, now I'm sure that is not the case and look forward to seeing the how much we have raised so far. I guess the reason I find it really difficult is that I'm nothing to do with the yellow army. Ooooooooh conspiracy! By definition, we're ALL part of the Yellow Army, Ricky, with the possible exception of Paul Cannell, who doesn't do clubs. (For reference, you have membership number 01274, three behind me and seven behind Mitzy, the club cat. Njones is member 00001, as you would expect).
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 10:27:14 GMT
By definition, we're ALL part of the Yellow Army, Ricky. /clamps hands over eyes.
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 10:42:15 GMT
By definition, we're ALL part of the Yellow Army, Ricky. /clamps hands over eyes. Blame me for that Paul. The idea is the Yellow Army is something for every Oxford fan to be part of. Instead of having a separate group for flags, another one for fundraising, another for certain fans to be part of, everything is done under a name already associated with Oxford United fans. There is no committee or membership scheme, and anyone involved In any activity or organising things is just a fan volunteering. It's a way to unite the fanbase. Whether a fan volunteers, comes along to matches, or follows from afar, we are all together as fans. Of course things could be done better at times, and no one should be forced to feel part of it. But if fans unite, then following Oxford United is a better experience for all. We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 10:47:26 GMT
Sorry John, it was a joke.
We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club.
YA is doing good work, imo, and it's improving. Thanks to all volunteers.
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 10:51:52 GMT
If you could refrain from jokes please Paul. It's not the time or place.
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 14, 2014 10:58:26 GMT
Blame me for that Paul. The idea is the Yellow Army is something for every Oxford fan to be part of. Instead of having a separate group for flags, another one for fundraising, another for certain fans to be part of, everything is done under a name already associated with Oxford United fans. There is no committee or membership scheme, and anyone involved In any activity or organising things is just a fan volunteering. It's a way to unite the fanbase. Whether a fan volunteers, comes along to matches, or follows from afar, we are all together as fans. Of course things could be done better at times, and no one should be forced to feel part of it. But if fans unite, then following Oxford United is a better experience for all. We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club. You do a fine job JL. To put this to bed once and for all, would you be able to arrange a couple of things... Firstly, ensure that whoever is in charge of the website puts a date on the Funds page, just saying something like 'figures correct as of {date}' Secondly, perhaps an update policy for this page to be displayed at the top, along the lines of 'This information will be updated every {x} weeks, if you have any questions please send to {mail address} and we will get back to you' I think that should suffice, and will negate any further threads on this topic in coming months.
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 11:16:16 GMT
Agree Ste. Will get onto that with the supporter who runs the website.
Any further feedback, email info@yellowarmy.co.uk. It's the Oxford United fans website (and I'm quite proud of it) so anyone can have their say.
We have some really good fans who volunteer their time to help fellow fans and our football club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 11:55:53 GMT
Blame me for that Paul. The idea is the Yellow Army is something for every Oxford fan to be part of. Instead of having a separate group for flags, another one for fundraising, another for certain fans to be part of, everything is done under a name already associated with Oxford United fans. There is no committee or membership scheme, and anyone involved In any activity or organising things is just a fan volunteering. It's a way to unite the fanbase. Whether a fan volunteers, comes along to matches, or follows from afar, we are all together as fans. Of course things could be done better at times, and no one should be forced to feel part of it. But if fans unite, then following Oxford United is a better experience for all. We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club. JL your post is concerning to say the least. Yellow Army is NOT everyone it's a few. The fact that you admit that there is no real structure to the group is alarming to say the least as YA collects money and therefore has to be accountable. You made references in previous posts that highlighted alleged shortcoming within funds raised by the 12th man which were unfounded and accounts could prove so. Reading back YA was in fact a coming together of 3 groups, headed by yourself, Charlie Methven, Trevor Lambert and Mark Sennet. We are aware that Trevor and his group walked away from the YA in January/February 2013 which in turn led to their demise. We also know that YA have set up an account to bank monies raised. Where money is involved it is essential to have transparency and audit trails, therefore it should be straight forward to provide evidence on how monies are distributed, raised, held in reserves, spent etc etc. I'm sure you and other are working hard for the good of everyone, however it is of upmost importance that YA are transparent at all times when collecting funds. We are not talking about a few quid here and there, we are talking £1,0000s and it's only right and proper that the details are available on a regular basis. The £1 donations for drinking in the Manor Bar should be a fairly straight forward accounting issue, 200 pay at the entrance therefore £200 is collected. With this as an example, how many supporters have paid to enter the Manor Bar so far this season? I presume that these monies are recorded on a match by match basis? In addition YA have introduced merchandise and regular donations via standing order or DD. These will surely have audit trails. Your all doing a great job, but please give us the latest financial position as off the 30th October 2014 (3 months into the season) that way we all know how successful the YA is. In your reply you may like to confirm who handles the finances,banks the takings and who decides how they are distributed. You have already stated that there is no committee, however there has to be someone who has ultimate responsibility, and were they elected if so by whom if there is no committee? The above are all genuine questions which would be asked of any group who collects money on behalf of others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 11:56:38 GMT
For a start name calling always reflects on the name caller rather than those labelled. Secondly can you not see how grossly hypocritical you are that you name called and berated anyone who asked similar questions of Ensco? It's a salient point highlighting the fact that you are unable to develop a consistent position of what is acceptable to you and what isn't. ENSCO is not in the business of raising funds from supporter donations Are you making an allegation against ENSCO and their use of ticket revenue?
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 12:04:21 GMT
Blame me for that Paul. The idea is the Yellow Army is something for every Oxford fan to be part of. Instead of having a separate group for flags, another one for fundraising, another for certain fans to be part of, everything is done under a name already associated with Oxford United fans. There is no committee or membership scheme, and anyone involved In any activity or organising things is just a fan volunteering. It's a way to unite the fanbase. Whether a fan volunteers, comes along to matches, or follows from afar, we are all together as fans. Of course things could be done better at times, and no one should be forced to feel part of it. But if fans unite, then following Oxford United is a better experience for all. We are all Oxford fans, and we all want success for our football club. JL your post is concerning to say the least. Yellow Army is NOT everyone it's a few. The fact that you admit that there is no real structure to the group is alarming to say the least as YA collects money and therefore has to be accountable. You made references in previous posts that highlighted alleged shortcoming within funds raised by the 12th man which were unfounded and accounts could prove so. Reading back YA was in fact a coming together of 3 groups, headed by yourself, Charlie Methven, Trevor Lambert and Mark Sennet. We are aware that Trevor and his group walked away from the YA in January/February 2013 which in turn led to their demise. We also know that YA have set up an account to bank monies raised. Where money is involved it is essential to have transparency and audit trails, therefore it should be straight forward to provide evidence on how monies are distributed, raised, held in reserves, spent etc etc. I'm sure you and other are working hard for the good of everyone, however it is of upmost importance that YA are transparent at all times when collecting funds. We are not talking about a few quid here and there, we are talking £1,0000s and it's only right and proper that the details are available on a regular basis. The £1 donations for drinking in the Manor Bar should be a fairly straight forward accounting issue, 200 pay at the entrance therefore £200 is collected. With this as an example, how many supporters have paid to enter the Manor Bar so far this season? I presume that these monies are recorded on a match by match basis? Your all doing a great job, but please give us the latest financial position as off the 30th October 2014 (3 months into the season) that way we all know how successful the YA is. In your reply you may like to confirm who handles the finances,banks the takings and who decides how they are distributed. You have already stated that there is no committee, however there has to be someone who has ultimate responsibility, and were they elected if so by whom if there is no committee? The above are all genuine questions which would be asked of any group who collects money on behalf of others. The problem is Mr Jones, you are being decisive. You don't ask genuine questions, you have an agenda. If you wish you discuss these issues under your real identity, then I'll be happy to answer any questions you have.
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