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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 28, 2014 11:14:46 GMT
Weird signing I thought our priority would have been strikers and midfielder thought the defence was all sorted. Most decent teams are built on a solid defence - I would have binned Hunt, Newey and Wright after last seasons shambles. Happy enough with this signing if he is a more adventurous forward than Hunt (and can pass to our players most of the time), as long as the forward line is also strengthened with at least two new players. Ah well goals against wont be many then......Neither goals scored!
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Post by eighteen93 on Jul 28, 2014 11:20:49 GMT
I am very much liking the calibre of players Apps is attracting to the club, promising times!! Me too. And the new players seem to have a bit of a presence about them: Riley - 6 ft Long - 6 ft 4" Collins - 6 ft 2"
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Post by backtobasics on Jul 28, 2014 11:22:59 GMT
Mapp can't rate Hunt hopefully Riley has pace!
It would be good to balance the team with some forward recruits. OUFC cannot expect Hylton to remain injury & ban free during the season.
Action is desperate regarding forwards.
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Post by osleroad on Jul 28, 2014 11:36:01 GMT
Surely it's about healthy comp. for places and cover and flexibility as MApp says.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 28, 2014 12:08:44 GMT
Is he any good up front?
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Post by finlandia on Jul 28, 2014 12:12:13 GMT
I'm guessing like Long, he will start. On paper, both are better than what we have so good from me
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 28, 2014 12:46:36 GMT
Riley is a quick over lapping full back who is a good passer of the ball. Likes to pass forward and make himself available to receive the ball.
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Post by socrates on Jul 28, 2014 12:50:17 GMT
It is interesting, isn't it, that just because a player comes from a club higher up the pyramid he is automatically considered better than those, like Hunt, whose bread and butter is this league.
This is not to say that Riley is not a good player. He may be very good.
What always concerns/irritates me is the supporters of these bigger clubs assuming that the loaned youngster will be too good for this league or will do very well.
It's arrogance, really, that they they reckon they are so above League two that their youth system can produce players good enough for what is an athletic, organised talented league.
'Oh, so and so has been with Chelsea, so he must be brilliant'. Doesn't always work out that way. Danny Philliskirk a good example. Ricky Sappleton another. And that kid goalie from Boro. You could throw in Ross Perry and Steve Kinniburgh, too. Both Rangers I think?
A management team should not fall into that trap, just as we as supporters do, although I trust Appleton and Fazackerley to know how good this league is.
The exception to what has been a rule for OUFC in recent years was Rob Hall. He is also at Bolton. Now, what a signing he would be for six months. Did you know he has only scored two goals since his six for us in 2011=12? He really needs to kickstart his career.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 28, 2014 12:56:57 GMT
It is interesting, isn't it, that just because a player comes from a club higher up the pyramid he is automatically considered better than those, like Hunt, whose bread and butter is this league. This is not to say that Riley is not a good player. He may be very good. What always concerns/irritates me is the supporters of these bigger clubs assuming that the loaned youngster will be too good for this league or will do very well. It's arrogance, really, that they they reckon they are so above League two that their youth system can produce players good enough for what is an athletic, organised talented league. 'Oh, so and so has been with Chelsea, so he must be brilliant'. Doesn't always work out that way. Danny Philliskirk a good example. Ricky Sappleton another. And that kid goalie from Boro. You could throw in Ross Perry and Steve Kinniburgh, too. Both Rangers I think? A management team should not fall into that trap, just as we as supporters do, although I trust Appleton and Fazackerley to know how good this league is. The exception to what has been a rule for OUFC in recent years was Rob Hall. He is also at Bolton. Now, what a signing he would be for six months. Did you know he has only scored two goals since his six for us in 2011=12? He really needs to kickstart his career. The thing is that the football played in the championship is miles better than league 2 so fringe players in that league should be too good for league 2. It is like us sending ruffles, ashby or COD to a conference south team, they should be far too good for that league. As for Hall, I watched him last year for bolton and he had a couple of great games but he couldn't do it week in week out. He was also very much a winger who was told to get out wide and provide service for the strikers. Most bolton fans don't rate him.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 12:58:16 GMT
Rob hall just wrote this on twitter
@robhall46: Oxford will be absolutely buzzin when they see joe Riley play! Good luck bro !
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Post by socrates on Jul 28, 2014 13:03:47 GMT
It is interesting, isn't it, that just because a player comes from a club higher up the pyramid he is automatically considered better than those, like Hunt, whose bread and butter is this league. This is not to say that Riley is not a good player. He may be very good. What always concerns/irritates me is the supporters of these bigger clubs assuming that the loaned youngster will be too good for this league or will do very well. It's arrogance, really, that they they reckon they are so above League two that their youth system can produce players good enough for what is an athletic, organised talented league. 'Oh, so and so has been with Chelsea, so he must be brilliant'. Doesn't always work out that way. Danny Philliskirk a good example. Ricky Sappleton another. And that kid goalie from Boro. You could throw in Ross Perry and Steve Kinniburgh, too. Both Rangers I think? A management team should not fall into that trap, just as we as supporters do, although I trust Appleton and Fazackerley to know how good this league is. The exception to what has been a rule for OUFC in recent years was Rob Hall. He is also at Bolton. Now, what a signing he would be for six months. Did you know he has only scored two goals since his six for us in 2011=12? He really needs to kickstart his career. The thing is that the football played in the championship is miles better than league 2 so fringe players in that league should be too good for league 2. It is like us sending ruffles, ashby or COD to a conference south team, they should be far too good for that league. As for Hall, I watched him last year for bolton and he had a couple of great games but he couldn't do it week in week out. He was also very much a winger who was told to get out wide and provide service for the strikers. Most bolton fans don't rate him. A 'fringe' player should be too good. But a 'youth' player? I don't buy that. Now, it's subjective, of course. The players I mentioned could have been called 'fringe' or 'youth'. But none of them were too good for this league. I suspect Riley will be a very good player, as I've faith in the management team. You've obviously seen him play, what more can you tell us Steve? What's his delivery like and can he play in an advanced role?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 13:28:35 GMT
A 'fringe' player should be too good. But a 'youth' player? I don't buy that. Riley isn't a youth player though, he's 22 & still at Bolton so must have something about him.
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Post by Yellow River on Jul 28, 2014 13:41:04 GMT
Just a thought but perhaps Mapp is planning on playing three at the back (Wright, Raynes & Mullins) with two attacking wing-backs (Riley & Meades?) with Collins & Rose/Ruffles in the centre.
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Post by baldy on Jul 28, 2014 13:43:39 GMT
Strange signing but all the best nonetheless. Strange ? Hunt is shocking. I'd have said this is the least surprising strengthening of the squad there could possibly be. At least this spells the end of one of the worst right backs in our recent history.
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Post by dabigfella on Jul 28, 2014 14:14:46 GMT
I am very much liking the calibre of players Apps is attracting to the club, promising times!! I agree the quality of players is good, but are they the right players? Collins is a good stopper midfielder, but we have a number of those. Riley is a good right back, but we have two more than adequate players in that position. I'm all for signing good players, but we are in desperate need of quality central midfielders and forwards. If Collins and Riley are signed at the expense of those positions then I worry. Let's hope the budget is a lot bigger than we thought and forwards and midfielders will come in as well.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 28, 2014 14:36:32 GMT
The thing is that the football played in the championship is miles better than league 2 so fringe players in that league should be too good for league 2. It is like us sending ruffles, ashby or COD to a conference south team, they should be far too good for that league. As for Hall, I watched him last year for bolton and he had a couple of great games but he couldn't do it week in week out. He was also very much a winger who was told to get out wide and provide service for the strikers. Most bolton fans don't rate him. A 'fringe' player should be too good. But a 'youth' player? I don't buy that. Now, it's subjective, of course. The players I mentioned could have been called 'fringe' or 'youth'. But none of them were too good for this league. I suspect Riley will be a very good player, as I've faith in the management team. You've obviously seen him play, what more can you tell us Steve? What's his delivery like and can he play in an advanced role? His delivery on the whole is pretty good but like all young players he will hit the first man from time to time. I would say he suits playing as a right back or a wing back as he does have a good engine on him.
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Post by Long John Silver on Jul 28, 2014 14:49:47 GMT
I am very much liking the calibre of players Apps is attracting to the club, promising times!! I agree the quality of players is good, but are they the right players? Collins is a good stopper midfielder, but we have a number of those. Riley is a good right back, but we have two more than adequate players in that position. I'm all for signing good players, but we are in desperate need of quality central midfielders and forwards. If Collins and Riley are signed at the expense of those positions then I worry. Let's hope the budget is a lot bigger than we thought and forwards and midfielders will come in as well. You think we have 'more than adequate' right backs? I certainly don't. Same for the midfield stopper. Whing is wholehearted, but far too immobile, and not a good passer of the ball. we need better to progress, and hopefully we now have.
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Post by Long John Silver on Jul 28, 2014 14:51:17 GMT
Most decent teams are built on a solid defence - I would have binned Hunt, Newey and Wright after last seasons shambles. Happy enough with this signing if he is a more adventurous forward than Hunt (and can pass to our players most of the time), as long as the forward line is also strengthened with at least two new players. Ah well goals against wont be many then......Neither goals scored! Read it all Bazzer.
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Post by princescastle on Jul 28, 2014 14:58:34 GMT
Fair play to appleton, he has already indentified where we are weak. Hunt and newey are and never will be good enough if we are looking to gain promotion.
We are slowly chipping away at the dead wood in the squad, we need a playmaker in midfield and two decent strikers and we will be there or thereabouts.
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Post by southoxox on Jul 28, 2014 15:15:36 GMT
My mates a Bolton fan and there were calls for him to be their first choice right back at the start of last season, apparently he's really decent just fallen out of favour since his injuries.
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Post by mcxal on Jul 28, 2014 15:15:58 GMT
Yeah, of course we all recognise we need forwards and probably a midfielder too.
But it's hard to argue if Appleton has reached the conclusion that Hunt isn't good enough for an upwardly-looking league 2 side. However fit he is, and however decent his set-piece delivery - he's now well north of 30, slow, positionally questionable and flimsy in the tackle. At the very least he needed strong competition for that spot
Makes me feel more positive that Appleton has quickly worked out what the squad lacks.
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Jul 28, 2014 15:16:22 GMT
Strange signing but all the best nonetheless. Strange ? Hunt is shocking. I'd have said this is the least surprising strengthening of the squad there could possibly be. At least this spells the end of one of the worst right backs in our recent history. Strange because we currently don't have a forward line and are weak in midfield. Strange because we have hunt, bevans (and you could argue) Meades to play that full back position. I'm suprised more emphasis hasn't been put on the attaching third, first. I don't disagree that hunt is shite!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 15:20:28 GMT
I am very much liking the calibre of players Apps is attracting to the club, promising times!! I agree the quality of players is good, but are they the right players? Collins is a good stopper midfielder, but we have a number of those. Riley is a good right back, but we have two more than adequate players in that position. I'm all for signing good players, but we are in desperate need of quality central midfielders and forwards. If Collins and Riley are signed at the expense of those positions then I worry. Let's hope the budget is a lot bigger than we thought and forwards and midfielders will come in as well. As it's a loan same with long I doubt very much we r paying anywhere near their full wage.
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 28, 2014 15:35:16 GMT
Fair play to appleton, he has already indentified where we are weak. Hunt and newey are and never will be good enough if we are looking to gain promotion. We are slowly chipping away at the dead wood in the squad, we need a playmaker in midfield and two decent strikers and we will be there or thereabouts. + a winger
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Post by oxfordpete999 on Jul 28, 2014 16:24:52 GMT
I think most Oxford fans liked Rob Hall, well lets hope he knows whats hes talking about - he has tweeted that Oxford fans with love JR - he really rates him.
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Post by londonroader on Jul 28, 2014 16:28:35 GMT
I think most Oxford fans liked Rob Hall, well lets hope he knows whats hes talking about - he has tweeted that Oxford fans with love JR - he really rates him. Rob Hall, one of the few players to leave Oxford unscathed after being with us.
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Post by malcolmnl on Jul 28, 2014 17:23:32 GMT
I think most Oxford fans liked Rob Hall, well lets hope he knows whats hes talking about - he has tweeted that Oxford fans with love JR - he really rates him. Rob Hall, one of the few players to leave Oxford unscathed after being with us. And unscathed by this forum.
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Post by ascotyellow on Jul 28, 2014 18:16:59 GMT
Look fellas its not that MA has prioritised signing Collins and a right back above any forwards, that's just the timing of the deals. I am sure he is working his nuts off to get the quality he wants up front but its probably proving hard convincing them to play for us in league 2 and on lower wages
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 18:19:58 GMT
Look fellas its not that MA has prioritised signing Collins and a right back above any forwards, that's just the timing of the deals. I am sure he is working his nuts off to get the quality he wants up front but its probably proving hard convincing them to play for us in league 2 and on lower wages Exactly, and like everyone always says a 20 goal per season striker is very hard to find. Either to expensive or in demand, If u could go out and just pick one up like that every team in the league would have one
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Post by ascotyellow on Jul 28, 2014 18:23:17 GMT
I think a very good signing, how many goals were the fault of Hunt last year?
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