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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 13:37:52 GMT
Can I assume that every manager to win a game at the world cup will be immediately declared a tactical genius? A win by England tonight will obviously elevate Roy alongside the world greats if the Dutch example is anything to go by.
I look forward to several glowing posts on Roy should this happen. Although not holding my breath as some posters have repeatedly stated that they couldn't care less how England do but are orgasmic after one Dutch victory!!
Very strange!
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 14:06:55 GMT
I don't think you get it.
Spain have virtually dominated European and world football for the last eight years, both internationally and in the CL. Last night they were dismantled and tactically outwitted by a Dutch genius, namely Louis van Gaal. Last nights score line was a travesty, an injustice, and it's no exaggeration to say it could and should have been 10-1 to Holland. Their football was breathtakingly brilliant with ball players right throughout the side and the sheer power of the Dutch was just too good for Fabregas and co - by the way what's he thinking right now ? Playing for Mr Boring or, who knows, perhaps passing up the opportunity to play for a man who will transform the English game.
Don't forget Holland were missing Strootnan, widely regarded as the man who makes the Dutch tick.In a nutshell, if you are someone with any allegiance to Manchester United then August quite simply cannot come quick enough. You saw a glimpse last night of the main man and it's a mouth watering prospect as to how much quality and added dimension to the PL that LVG will bring.
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Post by John Lennon on Jun 14, 2014 14:13:01 GMT
I don't think you get it.
It was one game.
Top players won't go to Man Utd as they aren't in the Champions League.
International football is different to club football.
It's posts like this that have made you look stupid time and time again.
You get over excited at the slightest thing. Your wife must be more fed up than us.
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Post by eighteen93 on Jun 14, 2014 14:16:09 GMT
Baldy you mean Kevin Strootman - who's great player.
What I liked about Holland last night was their defence, especially once they tightened up.
Two great fullbacks in Janmaat and Blind and one especially talented centre half in Martins Indi.
I don't think Jonathan De Guzman,Wesley Sneijder and Nigel de Jong in midfield are particularly brilliant. They work hard and I guess their main role is to press and pass to Robben and RVP and Sneijder is given license to get forward.
Holland under LVG look a quality team.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 14:20:17 GMT
I think I get it very well. Spain are an aging team who were out played by a well organised team. Beating anyone 5-1 in the world cup is a fantastic result and the way Spain fell apart was a surprise to everyone.
But it's one game. That is all. Nothing to get excited about for the dutch, and definitely nothing to get excited about for Man Utd. This result has no baring whatsoever on next season. Without significant investment in the right players Man Utd are still very much at the back of the pack when it comes to the top 5 or 6 teams.
My question was aimed beyond your obvious bias. Should England get a result against Italy what would that say about the abilities of Roy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 15:12:08 GMT
Baldy once said Pellegrini isn't a winning manager and Man U will be laughing at his appointment as they are a winning team. Something like that anyway so I wouldn't take too much notice of his opinions on managers!
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Post by sihath on Jun 14, 2014 15:36:59 GMT
Anyone remotely connected with Man Utd who does anything of note in the world cup will be hailed a genius, we know how it works...
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 17:15:58 GMT
Baldy you mean Kevin Strootman - who's great player. What I liked about Holland last night was their defence, especially once they tightened up. Two great fullbacks in Janmaat and Blind and one especially talented centre half in Martins Indi. I don't think Jonathan De Guzman,Wesley Sneijder and Nigel de Jong in midfield are particularly brilliant. They work hard and I guess their main role is to press and pass to Robben and RVP and Sneijder is given license to get forward. Holland under LVG look a quality team. Agree. Although I thought De Guzman did a solid job and De Jong, in particular, was excellent. It's certainly a well balanced side and, like I said earlier, every single player appears comfortable in possession - that was the stand out but for me. Very little panicking and even when they edged ahead they never retreated. There was a coolness and calmness coupled with the lethality of a cobra in the final third. I'll certainly be supporting the Dutch in the latter stages once England are out.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 17:21:57 GMT
Baldy you mean Kevin Strootman - who's great player. What I liked about Holland last night was their defence, especially once they tightened up. Two great fullbacks in Janmaat and Blind and one especially talented centre half in Martins Indi. I don't think Jonathan De Guzman,Wesley Sneijder and Nigel de Jong in midfield are particularly brilliant. They work hard and I guess their main role is to press and pass to Robben and RVP and Sneijder is given license to get forward. Holland under LVG look a quality team. Agree. Although I thought De Guzman did a solid job and De Jong, in particular, was excellent. It's certainly a well balanced side and, like I said earlier, every single player appears comfortable in possession - that was the stand out but for me. Very little panicking and even when they edged ahead they never retreated. There was a coolness and calmness coupled with the lethality of a cobra in the final third. I'll certainly be supporting the Dutch in the latter stages once England are out. What makes you think that Holland will get any further than England? And if they played each other who would you support?
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 17:42:47 GMT
Agree. Although I thought De Guzman did a solid job and De Jong, in particular, was excellent. It's certainly a well balanced side and, like I said earlier, every single player appears comfortable in possession - that was the stand out but for me. Very little panicking and even when they edged ahead they never retreated. There was a coolness and calmness coupled with the lethality of a cobra in the final third. I'll certainly be supporting the Dutch in the latter stages once England are out. What makes you think that Holland will get any further than England? And if they played each other who would you support? I'd support England but wouldn't be too bothered if it was the Dutch who put them out. I'm Manchester United more than I am England and any boost that LVG can get is good enough for me. It's all about club football where I am concerned. I often find it a bit odd willing players on that I can't stand for the majority of the time. Let's be honest, England can never win it so supporting them is a bit like taking a fit looking woman out for dinner only for her to tell you she's a lesbian (there must be the odd good looking one !) over coffee - an enjoyable experience to a point. That's England.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 17:54:12 GMT
What makes you think that Holland will get any further than England? And if they played each other who would you support? I'd support England but wouldn't be too bothered if it was the Dutch who put them out. I'm Manchester United more than I am England and any boost that LVG can get is good enough for me. It's all about club football where I am concerned. I often find it a bit odd willing players on that I can't stand for the majority of the time. Let's be honest, England can never win it so supporting them is a bit like taking a fit looking woman out for dinner only for her to tell you she's a lesbian (there must be the odd good looking one !) over coffee - an enjoyable experience to a point. That's England. Wow, even by you're standards this is unbelievable! So you support Man Utd over England but also Holland over England because of one player and the future manager!!! What about the boost that Rooney, Welbeck etc would get from a successful campaign? What about the positivity throughout the country that was experienced during the Olympics? You'd rather have your new manager having a good time would you?? And obviously all women that turn you down must be lesbian! More likely the see a pathetic individual who talks shit and has views that were out of place years ago. And guess what, you get good looking lesbians just as much as straight ugly women. Being gay isn't a back up option for those who can't get a bloke! You really go out of your way to make an idiot of yourself on a regular basis.
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Post by Junior on Jun 14, 2014 18:01:16 GMT
You'll find most Man Utd don't give a hoot about England so his attitude is sadly unsurprising.
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 18:08:23 GMT
I'd support England but wouldn't be too bothered if it was the Dutch who put them out. I'm Manchester United more than I am England and any boost that LVG can get is good enough for me. It's all about club football where I am concerned. I often find it a bit odd willing players on that I can't stand for the majority of the time. Let's be honest, England can never win it so supporting them is a bit like taking a fit looking woman out for dinner only for her to tell you she's a lesbian (there must be the odd good looking one !) over coffee - an enjoyable experience to a point. That's England. Wow, even by you're standards this is unbelievable! So you support Man Utd over England but also Holland over England because of one player and the future manager!!! What about the boost that Rooney, Welbeck etc would get from a successful campaign? What about the positivity throughout the country that was experienced during the Olympics? You'd rather have your new manager having a good time would you?? And obviously all women that turn you down must be lesbian! More likely the see a pathetic individual who talks shit and has views that were out of place years ago. And guess what, you get good looking lesbians just as much as straight ugly women. Being gay isn't a back up option for those who can't get a bloke! You really go out of your way to make an idiot of yourself on a regular basis. Oh no doubt about it, I'm unashamedly Manchester United before England. No doubt at all. Where did I say I support Holland over England ? I said I'd want England to win. Second to England winning I'd want LVG to be the man to beat them because it would ultimately help benefit Manchester United but that wouldn't over ride an England victory unless it guaranteed success for Man U which of course it wouldn't. Only you could take that lesbian comment in any other way than the light hearted way it was intended. While we are on the subject though if you take, say, famous women - I don't know any lesbians personally - then the straight women are far fitter. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 18:32:47 GMT
England's success does nothing for Man Utd despite having several key players in the squad.
But Dutch success will bring joy and happiness to Old Trafford will it?
It's a very warped life you lead.
As for the lesbian 'joke', you've got a history of bigoted views and homophobic comments such no I didn't think it was lighthearted at all. In the same way I guess you'd compare famous lesbians against famous straight women in a childish way.
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 18:41:24 GMT
England's success does nothing for Man Utd despite having several key players in the squad. But Dutch success will bring joy and happiness to Old Trafford will it? It's a very warped life you lead. As for the lesbian 'joke', you've got a history of bigoted views and homophobic comments such no I didn't think it was lighthearted at all. In the same way I guess you'd compare famous lesbians against famous straight women in a childish way. Oxford. Manchester United, England in that order - nothing too bizarre about that is there ? Are you putting England above your club ? The fact I have two clubs is neither here nor there.
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Post by John Lennon on Jun 14, 2014 18:46:42 GMT
Club and country
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Post by bigfella72 on Jun 14, 2014 18:48:25 GMT
This argument has been done to death and it seems done people still dong get the fact that England will never play Oxford so you can support them both!
And as for baldy and his "joke", sexist pig comes to mind!
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 14, 2014 18:49:20 GMT
The fact that you're gushing over a side containing ONE Man Utd player winning ONE game because the manager is heading your way is embarrassing!
I'll look forward to an equally gushing response should England win tonight.
And well done for not including any homophobic comments in that last post!
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Post by John Lennon on Jun 14, 2014 18:50:20 GMT
This argument has been done to death and it seems done people still dong get the fact that England will never play Oxford so you can support them both! And as for baldy and his "joke", sexist pig comes to mind! Its equal for me. I have one club, and I love my country. Trying to work out what the percentage is, is pointless. Be proud to support Oxford United and be an Englishman.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jun 14, 2014 18:53:25 GMT
This argument has been done to death and it seems done people still dong get the fact that England will never play Oxford so you can support them both! And as for baldy and his "joke", sexist pig comes to mind! Its equal for me. I have one club, and I love my country. Trying to work out what the percentage is, is pointless. Be proud to support Oxford United and be an Englishman. Exactly!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 14, 2014 18:55:24 GMT
Wasn't you saying pretty much the same things about what a good job moyes had done, how good a ma manager he was and probably wanking over some end if season Everton result just before he joined
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Post by Junior on Jun 14, 2014 19:36:26 GMT
If, hypothetically, you had a choice. England to win the World Cup or Oxford win next years league 2 what would everyone choose?
Me, England every time.
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Post by andystroud on Jun 14, 2014 19:44:34 GMT
Oxford every time for me.
How about Manchester United winning the Champions League or England winning the World Cup. Both hypothetical of course!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 14, 2014 19:49:49 GMT
If, hypothetically, you had a choice. England to win the World Cup or Oxford win next years league 2 what would everyone choose? Me, England every time. 100% oxford every time
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Post by unification on Jun 14, 2014 20:05:00 GMT
I think Baldy formed his opinion of gay and lesbian people from 1970s sit-coms. Amazing that people still say strange things like he does in 2014.
Odd individual.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jun 14, 2014 20:20:06 GMT
I think Baldy formed his opinion of gay and lesbian people from 1970s sit-coms. Amazing that people still say strange things like he does in 2014. Odd individual. Is baldy Alf Garnett ?
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Post by baldy on Jun 14, 2014 20:45:28 GMT
If, hypothetically, you had a choice. England to win the World Cup or Oxford win next years league 2 what would everyone choose? Me, England every time. Not even close. Oxford every time. I might put England before Man U winning the League Cup - and even that's up for debate - but any other competition forget it. As for Oxford then it'd be a close call between England winning the WC and us winning our first league fixture. I'm Oxford and Man U before anything as far as football is concerned. There's something unpalatable in my book seeing Gerrard lead England. The bloke is a c*nt. I want England to win tonight of course but if we lose ill still sleep easily but failure for Oxford or Man U eats away at me for days and weeks. If that's unpatriotic so be it, I'm just telling it how it is with me.
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Post by bacon on Jun 14, 2014 20:45:58 GMT
Oxford to win League Two over England winning the World Cup for me. No brainer
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Post by bicesteryellow on Jun 14, 2014 20:58:23 GMT
What makes you think that Holland will get any further than England? And if they played each other who would you support? I'd support England but wouldn't be too bothered if it was the Dutch who put them out. I'm Manchester United more than I am England or Oxfordand any boost that LVG can get is good enough for me. It's all about club football where I am concerned. I often find it a bit odd willing players on that I can't stand for the majority of the time. Let's be honest, England can never win it so supporting them is a bit like taking a fit looking woman out for dinner only for her to tell you she's a lesbian (there must be the odd good looking one !) over coffee - an enjoyable experience to a point. That's England. You missed a bit
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Post by bicesteryellow on Jun 14, 2014 21:00:18 GMT
What makes you think that Holland will get any further than England? And if they played each other who would you support? I'd support England but wouldn't be too bothered if it was the Dutch who put them out. I'm Manchester United more than I am England and any boost that LVG can get is good enough for me. It's all about club football where I am concerned. I often find it a bit odd willing players on that I can't stand for the majority of the time. Let's be honest, England can never win it so supporting them is a bit like taking a fit looking woman out for dinner only for her to tell you she's a lesbian (there must be the odd good looking one !) over coffee - an enjoyable experience to a point. That's England. What makes you believe that it is right to stereotype all homosexuals?
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