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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 7, 2013 18:47:31 GMT
To demonstrate how OxVox is a cohesive, inclusive, democratic and well run Supporters Trust, on behalf of the members who you represent it would be very much appreciated if each and every committee member would individually answer the following question:-
‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 19:18:47 GMT
Just to satisfy my own curiosity. Are you a member?
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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 7, 2013 19:24:25 GMT
Good evening Oxfordyankee.
Oh yes I can assure you that I am currently an OxVox member.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 19:28:25 GMT
Me too, but in name only.
You've posted a few times in relation to this, which I suppose means that the question is supposed to illicit an answer that in someways exposes a shortcoming in the process or the people.
For the uninformed, like me, what do you think is wrong?
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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 7, 2013 19:38:02 GMT
What I think isn't that important at this time.
The question has been put to the committee members and I think we should allow them to answer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 19:46:17 GMT
What I think isn't that important at this time. The question has been put to the committee members and I think we should allow them to answer. Your fame is spreading Mr Voteno. Someone calling themselves Tony Brain has published your post from the "OxVox Special Meeting" thread in its entirity on the Yellow Voice forum. By coincidence, he joined YV the same day you joined here. I don't think you know each other though because he says he has no idea who posted it originally.
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Post by Mark on Aug 7, 2013 19:48:05 GMT
Nice of you to join up with such a convenient name. And to post two threads on the same topic. Why not keep it to one topic or even better continue with an existing thread?
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Post by Mark Sennett on Aug 7, 2013 20:42:09 GMT
Firstly we are elected members of the committee and our positions are ratified after a nomination or election at our AGM.
As for a mandate we asked in surveys if we should focus on helping the club pursue attaining the stadium and over 90 % voted in favour. In addition at our AGM everyone in the room voted in favour when I asked the question "would you support OxVox doing anything in its power to protect the stadium from being sold to a third party.
Lets also clear up the myth that our membership is 300 its 500 after a steady rate of renewals/ new members after right to bid.
As for how fans feel about the right to bid local media polls and this forum showed a huge majority in favour. We've received a total of 2 emails complaining and hundreds of fans have spoken to us or contacted us to show support.
As for the football club's view it's convienent that you forget that Simon Lenagan tweeted his congratulations to us on the day of the annoucement. The club subsequently ran a positive comment on it during the yellow army launch article and have included it in the programme for Saturday.
As for the other forum I'm happy to keep posting on here as that forum has a single agenda. I took particular distaste to one poster claiming OxVox committee members should pay more attention to keeping "wealthier members" on side. There is no class divide in who we represent its not about how much money a member has its about doing positive things for fans and our club in a voluntary capacity. We will represent you if you're rich or poor no elitism there as one poster seemed to wish.
In fact in a recent survey from members 91% voted in favour of the committee performance. We can ways do better and want to involve members more fortunately from the rule change vote so far 99% of participants have made the same decision, which is of course contrary to the views on the other forum. But I guess that won't fit your agenda.
Hope to see you at our special meeting.
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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 7, 2013 20:55:58 GMT
Mark - Thank you for once again not answering a straight forward question.
The time for spinning has come to an end.
Please answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer.
Thank you.
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Post by heel on Aug 7, 2013 21:01:34 GMT
How did he not answer the question? Clearly he stated he discussed the stadium issue and protection of the stadium with members.
Pathetic how some sad individuals do nothing but knock others who actually get off their butts as do something for our club. We should be bracing fans like 12th man and OxVox for doing us proud with the Langan bucket shaking. Instead we have to read this boring repetitive personal attacks. Jog off to your precious other forum where you can talk to yourself some more.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 7, 2013 21:05:36 GMT
As a non-member speaking... voteno, why do you have an issue with the mandate for the RTB? What in that decision do you not like? Do you not want the RTB on the Stadium? Did you not like being involved in the process? Do you think it was inappropriate to ask for the RTB without asking the fans?
I liked the fact OxVox showed the initiative to go for the RTB. A friend of mine who is a Premier League fan was amazed a League 2 club achieved this first.
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Post by John Lennon on Aug 7, 2013 21:06:59 GMT
Mark - Thank you for once again not answering a straight forward question. The time for spinning has come to an end. Please answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer. Thank you. The question seems answered. A straight forward question for you, what is your problem? You have received an answer, so it seems it's personal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 21:12:32 GMT
Nail on head JL. It's purely personal.
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Post by heel on Aug 7, 2013 21:20:44 GMT
Pretty sad really.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 7, 2013 21:21:58 GMT
As Mark has pointed out we have been talking to members in our Pre-Match Meetings and via Surveys asking about the stadium issue for some significant time. On those occasions we have been encouraged to find solutions to help the club/supporters to find feasible ways to safeguard the stadium and to help facilitate a potential future purchase. That was the mandate and dare I say, had the committee/trust sat on its hands and allowed anyone other than this club to purchase the stadium, then that would have been the time to throw some mud about.
We began to investigate this legislation in November/December 2012 shortly after the Government had passed the legislation. We were the first to apply the CRTB to a football stadium. People have criticised the manner in which we applied and I accept those criticisms but feel it was the right course of action - especially with the complexity of our landlord and club over this. In fact, the representation made during the application process by Firoka (they appointed JPPC to act on their behalf and dispute the application) suggested that this, in hindsight, had been the right path to take.
We informed our membership as soon as the application was approved. Firoka then had the opportunity to appeal. During this process we again sought opinion from the membership (those at the AGM) and invited questions about if members wanted a close season meeting to discuss further or if they wanted to wait till the first pre-match OxVox meeting of the 2013/14 season.
There is little point in talking about the positive response from members and non-members but I would like to point out the following in response to the continued claims of a few that the football club are not supportive of this action. The club were informed of our intentions just as Mr Kassam was at the outset of the application in January.
Simon Lenagan took to Twitter after the announcement was made and was pleased unless of course he was replying to his new OxVox membership pack arriving?
Simon Lenagan @simonlenagan 13 May @join_OxVox Great stuff!!! #oufc #unitedwestand
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 7, 2013 21:27:27 GMT
As a non-member speaking... voteno, why do you have an issue with the mandate for the RTB? What in that decision do you not like? Do you not want the RTB on the Stadium? Did you not like being involved in the process? Do you think it was inappropriate to ask for the RTB without asking the fans? I liked the fact OxVox showed the initiative to go for the RTB. A friend of mine who is a Premier League fan was amazed a League 2 club achieved this first. Funny thing Gary is that one member took the time to contact the committee and offered to provide help and advice with debentures. He has experience in this and had personally been approached by London Welsh at the back end of last year - prior to our CRTB application. He wasn't our only member to be contacted by LW about stumping up some cash. Oddly, he is now very opposed to and critical of the CRTB action and is considering his membership.
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Post by heel on Aug 7, 2013 21:30:54 GMT
What's the odds that this latest reply from BB is accused of being spin by our newly registered poster?
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Post by ox1yellow on Aug 7, 2013 21:37:09 GMT
To demonstrate how OxVox is a cohesive, inclusive, democratic and well run Supporters Trust, on behalf of the members who you represent it would be very much appreciated if each and every committee member would individually answer the following question:- ‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’ Thank you. I am a member of OxVox and my mandate to the committee at the time of joining was to protect the club on behalf of the fans. In applying for the CRTB, they were doing exactly that. Either go grind your axe elsewhere or at least have the balls to clearly explain your issue in relation to this matter.
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Post by essexyellows on Aug 8, 2013 7:12:23 GMT
To demonstrate how OxVox is a cohesive, inclusive, democratic and well run Supporters Trust, on behalf of the members who you represent it would be very much appreciated if each and every committee member would individually answer the following question:- ‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’ Thank you. I am a member of OxVox and my mandate to the committee at the time of joining was to protect the club on behalf of the fans. In applying for the CRTB, they were doing exactly that.
Either go grind your axe elsewhere or at least have the balls to clearly explain your issue in relation to this matter. As above.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 8, 2013 8:10:46 GMT
Funny thing Gary is that one member took the time to contact the committee and offered to provide help and advice with debentures. He has experience in this and had personally been approached by London Welsh at the back end of last year - prior to our CRTB application. He wasn't our only member to be contacted by LW about stumping up some cash. Oddly, he is now very opposed to and critical of the CRTB action and is considering his membership. That's interesting (and a little odd). I think this the CRTB is a massive plus for us because it gives the club some sort of notice if Kassam ever decided to sell the ground. It's not something I'd do a 180 flip on. It's why I'm interested in what voteno says. They come across as they are involved with LW or somehow involved with FK - both of whom may not like the CTRB. I can could be way out on that though, so no offence is intended.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 8, 2013 8:33:55 GMT
.[/quote]Your fame is spreading Mr Voteno. Someone calling themselves Tony Brain has published your post from the "OxVox Special Meeting" thread in its entirity on the Yellow Voice forum. By coincidence, he joined YV the same day you joined here. I don't think you know each other though because he says he has no idea who posted it originally.[/quote]
Certainly appears to be a fair bit of anti-oxvox posting and Mark Sennet bashing on the yellow voice forum which has an orchestrated feel about it.
In the interests of openness and transparency..
Who funded/owns the yellow voice forum?
Who runs it?
Who are the moderators?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 8:48:31 GMT
Who is Mr Voteno and why is he unable to post under his real name? Has he been previously banned from Yellows Forum.
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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 8, 2013 19:19:15 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
With the one exception of Brahmabull I am amazed at the replies a straight forward and easy to understand question has provoked.
Instead of engaging in a sensible debate consistent with being a member the supporters trust committee there seems to be an orchestrated attempt to avoid the question by personal 3rd form style pettiness.
Mark – you are the Chairman who so proudly delivered the RTB campaign. On that basis why is your reply so defensive and evasive?
Aren’t trust members allowed to ask their committee questions?
Fundamentally, the question has been asked and for the good of the trust you need to be seen to engage with all your members.
So with the exception of Brahmabull shall we try again?
‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 19:34:42 GMT
Voteno - Do you believe the elected committee has to seek further mandate before making every decision? Why would you think that? In what other walk of life is that required.
The committee make decisions on behalf of the membership, and most people seem happy with that judging by comments on here and in the surveys quoted.
Sorry if a (very) small minority of you are not happy. Get over it.
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Post by The Fence End on Aug 8, 2013 19:34:54 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! With the one exception of Brahmabull I am amazed at the replies a straight forward and easy to understand question has provoked. Instead of engaging in a sensible debate consistent with being a member the supporters trust committee there seems to be an orchestrated attempt to avoid the question by personal 3rd form style pettiness. Mark – you are the Chairman who so proudly delivered the RTB campaign. On that basis why is your reply so defensive and evasive? Aren’t trust members allowed to ask their committee questions? Fundamentally, the question has been asked and for the good of the trust you need to be seen to engage with all your members. So with the exception of Brahmabull shall we try again? ‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’ Thank you. My following reply comes from the members, committee, supreme council and holy leader of this forum who have given me the highest authority/mandate to say on behalf of them all: "Bore off." Thank you. X
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Post by heel on Aug 8, 2013 19:35:39 GMT
Oi Mr Magoo time to change your glasses. Clearly this question has been answered at length on this thread and many others on here...so jog on troll back to your own forum and stop clogging up this one with your personal attack bollox.
Like other posters I'm delighted at the stadium being listed with Ox council. Pleasantly surprised OxVox had the foresight to pull it off.
Admin if this is ken trolling can you sort it please reads like his boring crap over on that other site
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Post by sihath on Aug 8, 2013 19:37:06 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! With the one exception of Brahmabull I am amazed at the replies a straight forward and easy to understand question has provoked. Instead of engaging in a sensible debate consistent with being a member the supporters trust committee there seems to be an orchestrated attempt to avoid the question by personal 3rd form style pettiness. Mark – you are the Chairman who so proudly delivered the RTB campaign. On that basis why is your reply so defensive and evasive? Aren’t trust members allowed to ask their committee questions? Fundamentally, the question has been asked and for the good of the trust you need to be seen to engage with all your members. So with the exception of Brahmabull shall we try again? ‘What mandate / authority did you and or the committee have when applying for the RTB matter?’ Thank you. I'm not a member of Oxvox, so have no agenda here, but Mark has answered the question very clearly. Rather than trying to be patronising by asking the same question again, if you have a problem with his answer then say what your problem is with it.
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Post by voteno (banned) on Aug 8, 2013 19:52:00 GMT
Can I firstly ask Yellowhoods, The Fence End and Heel if they are committee members?
Sihath I am not being patronising. I am waiting for all the committee members to reply. When they do please be assured that I will make my point in full.
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Post by John Lennon on Aug 8, 2013 19:56:00 GMT
Not all commitee members use the forum. So we can either wait forever, or you can make your point.
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Post by sihath on Aug 8, 2013 19:59:58 GMT
Can I firstly ask Yellowhoods, The Fence End and Heel if they are committee members? Sihath I am not being patronising. I am waiting for all the committee members to reply. When they do please be assured that I will make my point in full. "Shall we try again" came across as patronising. Why not make your point in full now, why the wait?
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