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Post by moobs on Aug 9, 2012 15:49:31 GMT
Womens Boxing + Some Dancing Horse thing....
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 9, 2012 15:52:34 GMT
Thats 15 golds now,for sports where you sit down!
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Post by tonyw on Aug 9, 2012 15:57:17 GMT
Thats 15 golds now,for sports where you sit down! I make it 17! 8 on bicycles. 3 on horses 5 in boats (4 rowing, 1 sailing) and 1 in a canoe.
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Post by Toeby on Aug 9, 2012 17:38:38 GMT
Dressage is awful! Each to their own and all that, but how is making a horse dance considered an Olympic sport?
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 9, 2012 17:53:18 GMT
Dressage is awful! Each to their own and all that, but how is making a horse dance considered an Olympic sport? I agree with that. Same goes for synchronized swimming - however impressive it may look. I fail to see the distinction between that and ballroom dancing, Latin American dancing or even breakdancing for that matter. There is a school of thought that any sports that require a judging panel shouldn't be in the Olympics. If that's the case, then we should also be waving goodbye to gymnastics, diving and probably even boxing because with bouts that short, very few of them will be decided by a knockout. Although I think these are genuine sports, but I draw the line at dressage.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 9, 2012 19:07:45 GMT
Not detracting from the girl but not only should women's boxing not be in the Olympics, it should be illegal. It shouldn't happen in a civilised country.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 19:10:23 GMT
Not detracting from the girl but not only should women's boxing not be in the Olympics, it should be illegal. It shouldn't happen in a civilised country. Hear, hear. If the IOC want women to compete, introduce synchronised knitting or the cake-making relay.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 9, 2012 19:13:14 GMT
Not detracting from the girl but not only should women's boxing not be in the Olympics, it should be illegal. It shouldn't happen in a civilised country. Hear, hear. If the IOC want women to compete, introduce synchronised knitting or the cake-making relay. I agree ... and of course we should go back to when the ladies weren't allowed to run more than 200 yards. What are we thinking letting the poor little things get tired out.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 9, 2012 21:43:26 GMT
Make that 3!
25 golds and 52 medals - fairly extraordinary.
And by my reckoning 6 more guaranteed (4 Men's boxers, 2 470 class sailing crews).
Just need a couple more to hit 60.....and half a dozen serious contenders (Mo, 4x400m, Men's & Women's Hockey teams, Shanazae Reade (sp?), Sarah Stevenson)
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Post by moobs on Aug 9, 2012 21:44:04 GMT
Make that 3 !!
Gold in the Taekwondo !!
24 Golds !!
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 10, 2012 9:14:25 GMT
Dressage is awful! Each to their own and all that, but how is making a horse dance considered an Olympic sport? You say that, but I would pay good money to see a giraffe breakdance... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2012 9:19:27 GMT
Not detracting from the girl but not only should women's boxing not be in the Olympics, it should be illegal. It shouldn't happen in a civilised country. seriously?! I honestly can't comprehend how any right-minded person can hold that view (and you usually seem like a right-minded person!)
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Post by tonyw on Aug 10, 2012 9:55:42 GMT
Just need a couple more to hit 60.....and half a dozen serious contenders (Mo, 4x400m, Men's & Women's Hockey teams, Shanazae Reade (sp?), Sarah Stevenson) OK.....scratch Stevenson. But apparently we have a couple of contenders in the canoe sprint! So in true Olympic fashion - let's go Ed McKeever, Liam Heath and Jon Schofield......who I'd never heard of at 9am this morning.....
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 10:14:12 GMT
Not detracting from the girl but not only should women's boxing not be in the Olympics, it should be illegal. It shouldn't happen in a civilised country. seriously?! I honestly can't comprehend how any right-minded person can hold that view (and you usually seem like a right-minded person!) I love boxing, probably not more than everybody else but I suspect more than most on here. People who pay a passing interest in boxing and sport will happily (miss)quote equality and women must be given the rights and that means they must box. People inside boxing now and understand boxing a lot better, they now what the sport really is. Whilst boxing can be beautiful, it is never any other than pure thuggery. This is the appeal of boxing but also why so many boxing people are against women taking part. There is reason the BBBC wouldn’t licence women’s boxing until 1998, and why internationally the sport didn’t exist as anything other than a freak show until that point. Frank Maloney still describes it as a freak show (personally I don’t like term). When boxing mad countries like Cuba are against it (a country that pretty much owns amateur boxing and hasn’t lacked strong women!), and thoughtful people like cassius clay are against it then we should pause for thought. Equality doesn’t mean ‘must become the same as’; what a sad day that would be. In algebra, a = b doesn’t mean ‘a is the same as b’, it means they have equal weighting. There is a subtle difference that gets lost. No self-respecting ‘b’ should want to be an ‘a’! Anyway, that’s enough of that. I’m off to watch the men’s final of synchronised swimming.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 10, 2012 10:22:29 GMT
seriously?! I honestly can't comprehend how any right-minded person can hold that view (and you usually seem like a right-minded person!) I love boxing, probably not more than everybody else but I suspect more than most on here. People who pay a passing interest in boxing and sport will happily (miss)quote equality and women must be given the rights and that means they must box. People inside boxing now and understand boxing a lot better, they now what the sport really is. Whilst boxing can be beautiful, it is never any other than pure thuggery. This is the appeal of boxing but also why so many boxing people are against women taking part. There is reason the BBBC wouldn’t licence women’s boxing until 1998, and why internationally the sport didn’t exist as anything other than a freak show until that point. Frank Maloney still describes it as a freak show (personally I don’t like term). When boxing mad countries like Cuba are against it (a country that pretty much owns amateur boxing and hasn’t lacked strong women!), and thoughtful people like cassius clay are against it then we should pause for thought. Equality doesn’t mean ‘must become the same as’; what a sad day that would be. In algebra, a = b doesn’t mean ‘a is the same as b’, it means they have equal weighting. There is a subtle difference that gets lost. No self-respecting ‘b’ should want to be an ‘a’! Anyway, that’s enough of that. I’m off to watch the men’s final of synchronised swimming. So basically, you are saying it is sexism. Women are delicate, boxing is thuggery, we should stop them doing it, even if they want to box.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2012 10:27:49 GMT
Well I'm no fan of boxing, but it just seems ridiculous to me that women shouldn't be able to box if they want to. Women are capable of thuggery just as men are - go on a night out in any town or city in the UK and you can see for yourself!
The idea of women boxing doesn't appeal to me and I'd certainly prefer any daughter of mine to do something more feminine, but the idea that we should stop them doing it if they want to is ridiculous and equally if men want to do syncronised swinmming then let them.
No, equality doesn't mean 'must become the same as', but it does mean women can partake in the same activity as men if they want to! Its not as if they are fighting a man, they are fighting women of the same size as them, so whats the problem?
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 10:46:40 GMT
I love boxing, probably not more than everybody else but I suspect more than most on here. People who pay a passing interest in boxing and sport will happily (miss)quote equality and women must be given the rights and that means they must box. People inside boxing now and understand boxing a lot better, they now what the sport really is. Whilst boxing can be beautiful, it is never any other than pure thuggery. This is the appeal of boxing but also why so many boxing people are against women taking part. There is reason the BBBC wouldn’t licence women’s boxing until 1998, and why internationally the sport didn’t exist as anything other than a freak show until that point. Frank Maloney still describes it as a freak show (personally I don’t like term). When boxing mad countries like Cuba are against it (a country that pretty much owns amateur boxing and hasn’t lacked strong women!), and thoughtful people like cassius clay are against it then we should pause for thought. Equality doesn’t mean ‘must become the same as’; what a sad day that would be. In algebra, a = b doesn’t mean ‘a is the same as b’, it means they have equal weighting. There is a subtle difference that gets lost. No self-respecting ‘b’ should want to be an ‘a’! Anyway, that’s enough of that. I’m off to watch the men’s final of synchronised swimming. So basically, you are saying it is sexism. Women are delicate, boxing is thuggery, we should stop them doing it, even if they want to box. Certainly didn't say women are delicate, but it shouldn't happen.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 10, 2012 10:58:52 GMT
So basically, you are saying it is sexism. Women are delicate, boxing is thuggery, we should stop them doing it, even if they want to box. Certainly didn't say women are delicate, but it shouldn't happen. Sorry, didn't intend to put words in your mouth, more a feeling I was getting from the post. Where do you stand on women doing Judo / Taekwondo ? Same view of these? Do you see a distinction between amateur boxing and pro-boxing for women? Could it be argued that a lot of the brutality of pro-boxing is taken out of the Olympic version, with shorter rounds, more protection, and an emphasis on points scoring over knock-out?
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 11:05:37 GMT
I could be tempted to follow the amateur vs pro argument, but the IOC is on a programme to phase out amateur in favour of professional boxing so the argument would be short lived!
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Post by moobs on Aug 10, 2012 11:05:46 GMT
To say brutality is patronising. Boxing is a skilled discipline, so is Taekwondo and Judo. It's not UFC.
In all levels of boxing they do not allow people to take punishment, if an opponent is losing or cannot defend, the fight is immediately stopped.
More people get hurt and die doing fishing.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 10, 2012 11:11:58 GMT
I could be tempted to follow the amateur vs pro argument, but the IOC is on a programme to phase out amateur in favour of professional boxing so the argument would be short lived! Is that the case? Didn't know that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2012 11:12:07 GMT
You're going to have to come up with a better argument than just "it shouldn't happen" and the fact that many people in boxing are against it means nothing. People are naturally conservative and resist change. I imagine many people were against women having the vote when it was first introduced.
There simply is no logical reason why women shouldn't do the same activities as men if they choose to or vice versa. I'd even be in favour of allowing women on this forum!
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 11:26:27 GMT
I'd even be in favour of allowing women on this forum! I prefer to think of this as more of a gentleman smoking club rather than a forum.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 11:33:34 GMT
I could be tempted to follow the amateur vs pro argument, but the IOC is on a programme to phase out amateur in favour of professional boxing so the argument would be short lived! Is that the case? Didn't know that. I dont believe its offcial, but thats what people are saying. I believe they will initially head towards some kind of hybrid like like World Series of Boxing (WSB).
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Post by telboyc on Aug 10, 2012 11:50:34 GMT
What makes people think they have the right to tell women what they can or can't do? this isn't an islamic state yet.
Try telling my daughter she can't do something and she will do it just to prove you wrong.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Aug 10, 2012 11:56:25 GMT
What makes people think they have the right to tell women what they can or can't do? this isn't an islamic state yet. Try telling my daughter she can't do something and she will do it just to prove you wrong. I've told my daughter she cant pee in mens toilets. She agrees it would be a stupid idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2012 11:58:57 GMT
bad analogy, we're not suggesting that women should be able to compete against men, we are suggesting that they should have their own competition
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Post by winchesterox on Aug 10, 2012 12:10:10 GMT
I would not want to be the person to tell Nicola Adams that her sport is disallowed. :-)
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 10, 2012 12:15:53 GMT
They want to box, they can box, let them box!
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Post by Toeby on Aug 10, 2012 12:27:28 GMT
Dressage is awful! Each to their own and all that, but how is making a horse dance considered an Olympic sport? You say that, but I would pay good money to see a giraffe breakdance... ;D Dressage is just Crufts for people with loads of money. A breakdancing giraffe would be an entirely different (and hilarious) situation.
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