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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 22, 2012 19:14:40 GMT
It often strikes me the smokers seem to have lost the vital link in the chain of logic which leads them to arguments about smoking in the bogs. The only reason they are trying to smoke in the toilets is because they can't smoke in the stand because its illegal. Who would choose to smoke in the toilet if they could do it on the terrace? They automatically recognise they can't smoke in the stand so head to the toilets to do it seemingly forgetting while doing so the reason why they aren't staying at their seat to smoke. Never mind the fact that if they smoked in their seat - which is outside - it would actually be better for everyone compared to filling a small room made of brick with smoke . It wouldn't be any more or any less illegal.I guess they just don't have the balls and feel safer psychologically by sneaking off to the toilets like children. That's exactly what i was saying. They go to the toilet to smoke because they know its illegal to do it in the stand, but then seem to lose track of its illegality and act like they have a right to illegally smoke in the bogs which they would freely admit they don't have on the terrace.
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Post by yellowken on Jan 22, 2012 19:15:48 GMT
This must be a tongue in cheek pop at the smokers who equally cannot go 45 mins without having a fag? . Why don't you use the designated smoking areas around the ground That'll be the toilets then for those who see it as acceptable!
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jan 22, 2012 19:21:39 GMT
That'll cause uproar. Many smokers still see smoking as a right (Which is fair enough, it's not illegal) But in a football ground and any confined area it is that is the whole point If you can't go without then a football ground is not somewhere you should be Its the club that ultimately will pay the price when the inevitable fine comes Personally I think the club must act....................but they won't I did suggest 3 years ago that the simply solution is to have a area outside fenced off outside the gates where smokers can legally go and smoke. This is something they manage and umpteen grounds. I have seen it here, I have seen it in the USA at Boston Redsox and OUFC should understand that there is a need and do something about it Agreed. But until then, it would be nice for people to abide by the law like most people do whether they're happy about it or not. If they do insist on doing what they like then I'd rather see them front up by just doing it in their seats. I'd have more respect for them than I do hearing of them all scurrying down to the bogs like kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 19:24:46 GMT
Why should the club provide smoking areas and pander to the whims of the inconsiderate smokers? Smoking in the ground is illegal.
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Post by hairy on Jan 22, 2012 19:32:57 GMT
Because those smokers are customers and providing a smoking area solves a problem for smokers and anti smokers while being fairly cheap. Dont smoke myself but am not part of the mary whitehouse brigade who want to look down on them.
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Post by yellowken on Jan 22, 2012 20:16:53 GMT
Because those smokers are customers and providing a smoking area solves a problem for smokers and anti smokers while being fairly cheap. Dont smoke myself but am not part of the mary whitehouse brigade who want to look down on them. Can't the club use the open air section in the corner of the right side of the East Stand/North Stand?
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Post by sarge on Jan 22, 2012 23:04:19 GMT
Because those smokers are customers and providing a smoking area solves a problem for smokers and anti smokers while being fairly cheap. Dont smoke myself but am not part of the mary whitehouse brigade who want to look down on them. Can't the club use the open air section in the corner of the right side of the East Stand/North Stand? how about ALL the 'triangular' open corner areas in side the ground as smoking areas at half time (only?) as a compromise? , man(or woman) them with a steward or two job done, at no extra cost to OUFC- then those who want to take in lungfuls of smoke free air in the bogs with the full strength aroma of stale p*ss in the ground would be able to indulge themselves...
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Post by collyox (banned) on Jan 23, 2012 0:28:54 GMT
That'll cause uproar. Many smokers still see smoking as a right (Which is fair enough, it's not illegal) But in a football ground and any confined area it is that is the whole point If you can't go without then a football ground is not somewhere you should be Its the club that ultimately will pay the price when the inevitable fine comes Personally I think the club must act....................but they won't I did suggest 3 years ago that the simply solution is to have a area outside fenced off outside the gates where smokers can legally go and smoke. This is something they manage and umpteen grounds. I have seen it here, I have seen it in the USA at Boston Redsox and OUFC should understand that there is a need and do something about it The club MUST act then eh??? ok.......another thing that it is "against regulations" in a football stadium is to STAND UP ALL MATCH......about time the people standing were ejected from the ground...........if they cant remain seated then they should stay at home.......................... ....swings and roundabouts....get orf ya high horses before you ruin the football experience
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Post by nerps on Jan 23, 2012 1:07:56 GMT
Good idea at first to use the open corners but full of potential problems. First thing, it would have to be halftime only, any movement during the game would cause problems for the stewards looking out for the exciteable fan running on to the pitch from unguarded areas. Extra stewards to cover this means more expence, no extra stewards risks the odd looney getting through and even more expence. Allowing corner areas at halftime only might work but that would be down to the fans fully cooperating. The main 'regulation' would be with regard to timing ie. no fan would be allowed to leave his seat or at least enter into the corner areas until the teams had left the field; they would then have to have returned to their seats before the players returned. It all appears to be very simple to carry-out, but we all know there will be the odd few who will try to stretch the time allowed and perhapsmtest the stewards. Right now that's sorted, where will I be able to store my syringes ? !!!
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Post by adeshell on Jan 23, 2012 15:06:12 GMT
One question - are the club or Kassam or anyone saving money on insurance by having a 'no smoking' policy? Would it cost the club to have a smoking area?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 15:19:31 GMT
I don't particularly agree with the rules and I'm not personally bothered by people smoking in the toilets and wouldn't be bothered if they smoked in the stands either, but maddogs post is one of the most ridiculous views I've ever heard!
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Post by adeshell on Jan 23, 2012 15:51:20 GMT
Just make sure the Oslar Road cheap cigar smokers aren't told.
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Post by dartfordox (RIP) on Jan 23, 2012 17:02:11 GMT
Standing in a seated area is against the law of the land. Until that law is complied with I don't see that anything can be done about smoking since it is on a FL rule.
If any of the complainants on here are regular 'standers' then they are hypocrites.
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Post by yellowken on Jan 23, 2012 17:04:55 GMT
Standing in a seated area is against the law of the land. Until that law is complied with I don't see that anything can be done about smoking since it is on a FL rule. If any of the complainants on here are regular 'standers' then they are hypocrites. Think that this thread is about smokers in the toilets. If you want to start a separate thread about fans who stand, feel free to start one.........
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Post by dartfordox (RIP) on Jan 23, 2012 17:11:47 GMT
Standing in a seated area is against the law of the land. Until that law is complied with I don't see that anything can be done about smoking since it is on a FL rule. If any of the complainants on here are regular 'standers' then they are hypocrites. Think that this thread is about smokers in the toilets. If you want to start a separate thread about fans who stand, feel free to start one......... I take your point - but I do refer to 'complainants on here' meaning this thread.
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Post by highworthpete on Jan 23, 2012 17:46:20 GMT
Never been a problem in the ssu. The club do need to seriously think about a smoking section though.
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Post by Robin Shater on Jan 24, 2012 8:20:45 GMT
Why don't they have a smoking area that you pay for? Like 15 quid for a season ticket to the smoking area. I would support that, but I doubt whether those that have no regard for the ground rules would be prepared to pay extra. Why should the club & indirectly all law abiding fans have to pay to provide & clean a smoking area?
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Post by onlyme on Jan 24, 2012 12:05:53 GMT
Never been a problem in the ssu. The club do need to seriously think about a smoking section though. Well you couldn't have been in the toilets in the SSU nearest the OM stand just before the second half was about to start.
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Post by a420outpost on Jan 24, 2012 13:02:13 GMT
Never been a problem in the ssu. The club do need to seriously think about a smoking section though. Swindon Supporters Union bar by any chance Pete?
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Post by m on Jan 24, 2012 13:13:37 GMT
I think we've run out of things to say to eachother.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 13:55:01 GMT
The club do need to seriously think about a smoking section though. why not in the space between the East and North stands? can't see that causing any issues
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Post by sarge on Jan 24, 2012 14:50:31 GMT
The club do need to seriously think about a smoking section though. why not in the space between the East and North stands? can't see that causing any issues see further back in this very thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 15:12:10 GMT
not sure where you mean, I'm guessing that as its technically inside the stadium it wouldn't be allowed, but lets be honest, as the stadium is now there is a space there that is not "inside" at all.
Otherwsise I'd suggest a fenced off area outside the turnstiles, but this throws up other problems as you have to let people out and in again.
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