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Post by mariokempes on Dec 13, 2017 7:46:26 GMT
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Post by scotchegg on Dec 13, 2017 8:26:38 GMT
Not much of a story to be fair. Increased levels of approved drug for asthma that would have a performance improvement element but no more than he would actually lose by having asthma in the first place.
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Post by thegrumpyporter on Dec 13, 2017 8:27:35 GMT
Incredible how many asthma sufferers are successful at cycling is it not?
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Post by MJB on Dec 13, 2017 8:44:47 GMT
Incredible how many asthma sufferers are successful at cycling is it not? Only the winners, to be fair.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 13, 2017 13:10:09 GMT
Being high for one day does corroborate that is wasn't a systematic issue. That said, it doesn't mean he could be 100% innocent. The systematic cheating in cycling though makes any sort of drug issue into a massive one because everyone assumes everyone is at it.
Quite what an asthma sufferer does in those situations is tough. Not be competitive for a day or being called a drug cheat?
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Post by MJB on Dec 13, 2017 14:47:43 GMT
Being high for one day does corroborate that is wasn't a systematic issue. That said, it doesn't mean he could be 100% innocent. The systematic cheating in cycling though makes any sort of drug issue into a massive one because everyone assumes everyone is at it. Quite what an asthma sufferer does in those situations is tough. Not be competitive for a day or being called a drug cheat? Chey Dunkley’s situation highlights the differences between sports (and probably rightly so given that you can be as fit as a butcher’s Medicare’s dog, but not necessarily decent at football).
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Post by tonyw on Dec 13, 2017 19:29:31 GMT
I don't know how anyone can really trust any cyclist any more.
It's a sport that is almost exclusively about the limits of human power and endurance, and therefore particularly susceptible to chemical/biochemical improvements.
And it would be naive to assume that the testers are always ahead of the cheaters; Lance Armstrong was tested regularly during his career - his team just had a sophisticated set of protocols for getting around those tests. I see no reason to assume that noone is still ahead of the testers now, and that Froome - or anyone else - is definitely clean.
Even given that, four TdF wins and a Vuelta is impressive. Even with what we know, seven TdF wins for Armstrong after coming back from a supposedly terminal cancer diagnosis, was impressive.
It's just hard to get as excited about it when there's that lingering suspicion that everyone's doping.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Dec 13, 2017 21:24:27 GMT
I took up cycling five or so years ago and have raced at a reasonable level (National) for the last three years. There are plenty of cases and articles from amateur to professional on blood doping, TUE manipulation and more frequently mechanical doping (where motors have been placed in the bottom bracket).
I’ve never been a fan of Team Sky and to be honest I think they’re just a modern day USPS (Armstrong team) the difference is aside from Lance US Postal never banged the ‘first clean rider to win the TdF’. I don’t know how to add images on here but just look at Froome in his earlier days at Sky and now it’s ridiculous.
It’s true that there is doping or micro doping in the sport as each team looks to bring their riders up to that .99% away from the level they are allowed. In my opinion it doesn’t take away from the sport and I do believe there are some clean riders. Gallopin on Bastille Day could barely move his legs, Sagan this year was in pieces at the end of a stage of the Tour of California.
My Grandfather was a life long cyclist, racer and enthusiast and he always looked at the sport regardless of the doping through the years it takes an exceptional athlete to ride 3000km at 25-30mph for 3 weeks regardless of EPO and inhalers etc.
Don’t bet on him winning Sports Personality though lol
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Post by mariokempes on Dec 13, 2017 21:41:01 GMT
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Post by carefreeoufc on Dec 13, 2017 21:52:17 GMT
I’m pretty sure he claims it is exercise induced asthma as opppsed to other forms which is how he’s been able to get TUE. There’s a large number of pro tour riders who also have TUE for exercise induced asthma.
There was a BBC2 documentary a couple of weeks ago about ‘The Dream Factory’ and some of the latest controversies. Aside from Wiggins and Froome Sky were in hot water in 2014ish when Johnathan Tiernan Locke was pulled up for blood discrepancies.
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