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Mousinho
Dec 6, 2017 13:57:00 GMT
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Post by davox on Dec 6, 2017 13:57:00 GMT
After seeing Mousinho in a few games now I can see why Burton let him go. We have a double edged sword with him. On the plus side he can be really useful in playing the ball out from the back and his positional sense is good. On the negative side, he constantly comes out 2nd best when a quick forward runs at him or gets in behind. Not sure if he ever had much pace but if we’re looking at promotion we can’t do it when we have pivotal defenders whose legs are gone. Transfer window we should prioritise a pacey centre back who can play.
Williamson, Martin or Raglan won’t be viable solutions going forward to this massive problem we have.
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Post by MJB on Dec 6, 2017 14:40:38 GMT
He reminds me of League One Johnny Mullins.
Very committed, a good talker, often good at bringing the ball out at his feet.
I don’t wish to constantly live in the past but I really miss having someone like Jake Wright who was very assured with the ball, had great positioning and rarely made errors.
Still, we are where we are. If fit, my preferred pairing would probably be Raglan and Nelson from our current crop but as you say I don’t think the former is a long-term or promotion chasing quality defender. He’s still young though so could conceivably continue to develop if he ever stayed fit long enough.
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Post by Marked Ox on Dec 6, 2017 16:50:54 GMT
Probably doesn't help those alongside him having no pace unless Carroll is going to get selected regularly soon.
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Post by isibuko on Dec 12, 2017 7:36:31 GMT
I think it's pretty unlikely that any clubs are going to release a quick, pacy centre back who can play in the January window, unless we get lucky with a loan.
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Post by londonroader on Dec 12, 2017 9:15:05 GMT
He reminds me of League One Johnny Mullins. Very committed, a good talker, often good at bringing the ball out at his feet. I don’t wish to constantly live in the past but I really miss having someone like Jake Wright who was very assured with the ball, had great positioning and rarely made errors. Still, we are where we are. If fit, my preferred pairing would probably be Raglan and Nelson from our current crop but as you say I don’t think the former is a long-term or promotion chasing quality defender. He’s still young though so could conceivably continue to develop if he ever stayed fit long enough. My memory of JW differs from yours, no pace, poor distribution, had a mistake in him every game, not commanding in the air, he was committed and could read the game, this was all in the 2 divisions below. I know he now sits on the bench of a championship club, but would he really be better than what we have now.
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Post by MJB on Dec 12, 2017 9:19:34 GMT
He reminds me of League One Johnny Mullins. Very committed, a good talker, often good at bringing the ball out at his feet. I don’t wish to constantly live in the past but I really miss having someone like Jake Wright who was very assured with the ball, had great positioning and rarely made errors. Still, we are where we are. If fit, my preferred pairing would probably be Raglan and Nelson from our current crop but as you say I don’t think the former is a long-term or promotion chasing quality defender. He’s still young though so could conceivably continue to develop if he ever stayed fit long enough. My memory of JW differs from yours, no pace, poor distribution, had a mistake in him every game, not commanding in the air, he was committed and could read the game, this was all in the 2 divisions below. I know he now sits on the bench of a championship club, but would he really be better than what we have now. Well I think we have opposite views on this occasion then. That’s fair enough though - everything is subjective in this game.
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Post by londonroader on Dec 12, 2017 9:30:47 GMT
My memory of JW differs from yours, no pace, poor distribution, had a mistake in him every game, not commanding in the air, he was committed and could read the game, this was all in the 2 divisions below. I know he now sits on the bench of a championship club, but would he really be better than what we have now. Well I think we have opposite views on this occasion then. That’s fair enough though - everything is subjective in this game. Yes everyone might see things differently. I thought it was good Saturday, reading on here I'm in the minority but I still enjoyed my day.
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Post by Yellow River on Dec 12, 2017 9:50:29 GMT
I liked both Mullins and Wright, however we did look vulnerable in the air defensively when they played together. I’d say they both need to play along side a ‘stopper’
For Sheffield Utd think I’m correct in saying that Wright played on the left side of a back 3 with a tall central defender alongside him, and had a very successful season.
As for Mousinho, I rate him as a footballer, not a natural defender in my view more a defensive midfielder, but he’s an intelligent player on and off the field and can adapt really well.
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Post by MJB on Dec 12, 2017 11:31:31 GMT
Well I think we have opposite views on this occasion then. That’s fair enough though - everything is subjective in this game. Yes everyone might see things differently. I thought it was good Saturday, reading on here I'm in the minority but I still enjoyed my day. Yes well I would agree with you on that and I too felt like I was in the minority. Felt it was a decent game between two teams who were patient and kept it on the deck. Despite the missed penalty, I was also relatively happy with what looked like a point as I thought it was a pretty even affair. It was too cold mind, although I’m not sure the club can take all of the blame for that!
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Mousinho
Dec 12, 2017 13:18:07 GMT
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Post by yellowbow on Dec 12, 2017 13:18:07 GMT
Yes everyone might see things differently. I thought it was good Saturday, reading on here I'm in the minority but I still enjoyed my day. Yes well I would agree with you on that and I too felt like I was in the minority. Felt it was a decent game between two teams who were patient and kept it on the deck. Despite the missed penalty, I was also relatively happy with what looked like a point as I thought it was a pretty even affair. It was too cold mind, although I’m not sure the club can take all of the blame for that! Oh I think they can - they need to pull their fingers out and buy the stadium and get that 4th stand built to keep the bloody draught out!
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Post by RCYellowRC on Dec 12, 2017 13:29:40 GMT
He reminds me of League One Johnny Mullins. Very committed, a good talker, often good at bringing the ball out at his feet. I don’t wish to constantly live in the past but I really miss having someone like Jake Wright who was very assured with the ball, had great positioning and rarely made errors. Still, we are where we are. If fit, my preferred pairing would probably be Raglan and Nelson from our current crop but as you say I don’t think the former is a long-term or promotion chasing quality defender. He’s still young though so could conceivably continue to develop if he ever stayed fit long enough. My memory of JW differs from yours, no pace, poor distribution, had a mistake in him every game, not commanding in the air, he was committed and could read the game, this was all in the 2 divisions below. I know he now sits on the bench of a championship club, but would he really be better than what we have now. Simple answer, yes, he bossed it in league 1 last season, they did not lose a game that he played in. That ended up being 30 odd games without a loss. Then this season he has played in 15 games and Sheffield have only lost 3 of them. He is good enough for a top of the table league 1 side.
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Mousinho
Dec 12, 2017 13:51:09 GMT
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Dec 12, 2017 13:51:09 GMT
Depends on what our aspirations are. If it is to be a mid table L1 team for the next year or two, Mousinho is fine. But if we have realistic ambitions of the play offs then he lacks pace and presence.Marquis gave him a bit of a runaround on Saturday. The bigger concern is that once fit, Nelson will be off in the Summer. He will be a big loss and i cant see who we have got to replace him. We have the centre half on loan at Solihull. But last time I checked hes not even in their team (unless hes injured) so unlikely to be him....Martin isnt up to it, Williamson isnt getting any younger and Raglan doesnt look like the answer.
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Post by dubaiyellow on Dec 12, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
Right now he's the only defensive player i am comfortable watching with the ball at his feet in our own half. Composed on the ball and rarely gives it away or puts others under pressure.
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Mousinho
Dec 12, 2017 17:13:12 GMT
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Post by ian on Dec 12, 2017 17:13:12 GMT
Depends on what our aspirations are. If it is to be a mid table L1 team for the next year or two, Mousinho is fine. But if we have realistic ambitions of the play offs then he lacks pace and presence.Marquis gave him a bit of a runaround on Saturday. The bigger concern is that once fit, Nelson will be off in the Summer. He will be a big loss and i cant see who we have got to replace him. We have the centre half on loan at Solihull. But last time I checked hes not even in their team (unless hes injured) so unlikely to be him....Martin isnt up to it, Williamson isnt getting any younger and Raglan doesnt look like the answer. From Solihull on November 21: "Fiacre Kelleher made a superb clearance on 15 minutes when Wrexham looked to open their account." "Kelleher was quickly into action as Wrexham resumed on the front foot with a monumental tackle to deny Reid," Clearly not up to playing even in the National League... :-) He is still just 21. At 21, where was Ruffles? Perhaps we need to be quiet about Kelleher in case scouts read this forum and a bid comes in from a higher team. :-) www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/details.php?news_id=12947And in the Wrexham report if that game: "Rutherford was having a growing influence on the game, and as Wrexham picked up where they had left off in the first half, his cross was taken off the toe by a goal saving Kelleher tackle, the Dragons searching for that killer second effort. Kelleher forced Dunn into his first meaningful save of the game 10 minutes after the break, the Moors’ centre-half getting forward and driving a shot the Dragons stopper did well to hold."
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Mousinho
Dec 12, 2017 17:34:20 GMT
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Post by Marked Ox on Dec 12, 2017 17:34:20 GMT
Right now he's the only defensive player i am comfortable watching with the ball at his feet in our own half. Composed on the ball and rarely gives it away or puts others under pressure. I agree apart from I'd add Ricardinho to that.
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Post by londonroader on Dec 12, 2017 17:49:30 GMT
My memory of JW differs from yours, no pace, poor distribution, had a mistake in him every game, not commanding in the air, he was committed and could read the game, this was all in the 2 divisions below. I know he now sits on the bench of a championship club, but would he really be better than what we have now. Simple answer, yes, he bossed it in league 1 last season, they did not lose a game that he played in. That ended up being 30 odd games without a loss. Then this season he has played in 15 games and Sheffield have only lost 3 of them. He is good enough for a top of the table league 1 side. One player doesn't make a team, he was part of a very good sheffield team but if you took him out of that team and put him in our back 4 again do you honestly think it would work? Remembering it's a different manager and system.
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Post by gingerox on Dec 12, 2017 17:57:56 GMT
As I've said before Wright's contracts up in the summer, don't think it would do any harm trying to get him back. If he were to however, couldn't see him and Mous playing well together unless with an athletic CB between them.
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Post by MJB on Dec 12, 2017 18:58:10 GMT
As I've said before Wright's contracts up in the summer, don't think it would do any harm trying to get him back. If he were to however, couldn't see him and Mous playing well together unless with an athletic CB between them. Part of the reason why I wish we’d kept Wright is because he is clearly ambitious about getting into coaching and possibly management. Other players said that they thought he would be a future boss and in his last few years at the club he demonstrated superb professionalism on and, apparently, off the pitch. Would therefore have loved him to finish his career here and then offer him a coaching role. He said when he left that he was very surprised and disappointed as he was settled at the club and in the area with his family. Can’t see him wanting to up roots all over again - particularly as he is presumably much closer to his family and friends now. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Lord offers him a coaching role as they clearly get on. As I say, that would feel like a wasted opportunity to me both in terms of having lost of good player, but also a fine ambassador for the club and potentially a good coach in the future. Here endeth my Jake Wright unrequited love letter.
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