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Post by newtonyellow on Nov 18, 2017 22:32:34 GMT
Comment from the Plymouth forum. Three things oxford had: A striker who can find the back of the net Commitment and passion A manager who can manage I love the diverse opinions of football fans. Surprised they didn't mention how fockused we were
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 18, 2017 22:44:07 GMT
I suspect what did for their defender was the location of the tug. It may well have been a yellow by the half way line, but where it was, he forced the Ref to make a decision. The defender had no need to make a challenge and in private, I'm sure Derek Adams is thinking the same thing.
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Post by Mark on Nov 18, 2017 22:48:00 GMT
Helped with a big wide pitch which helped our passing game. But even before our first goal, we’d gone past the half way line more times than it seemed against the cobblers. Possibly a bit of forward line reorganisation with Hall out, but it worked.
Down to ten men Plymouth had to go 4-4-1 so it wasn’t as if we had a particularly easier job attacking , there’s just one less left up front.
Though it could have been six with one on the bar and obike’s miss. First half at 0-0 he’d be slaughtered for that but at 4-0 you let it go.
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Post by gingerox on Nov 18, 2017 22:50:54 GMT
Though it could have been six with one on the bar and obike’s miss. First half at 0-0 he’d be slaughtered for that but at 4-0 you let it go. His goal wasn't that convincing either tbh, but I suppose they all count
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Post by ox18 on Nov 18, 2017 23:06:18 GMT
Are there any refs on here who could offer their opinion on the red card? I haven't seen it but I thought you weren't meant to get sent off if you went for the ball in the box anymore I think the referee has given for a holding or pull offence. Therefore by definition he can't be attempting to play the ball. 👍 Plymouth manager said that the referee told him that the defender made no attempt to play the ball. In his opinion he just tried to block the striker so it had to be a red.
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Post by highlights on Nov 19, 2017 6:53:48 GMT
I can provide a bit of insight on the red.
All Pro English clubs were briefed on rule changes. My notes from the day were:
Red cards: in order to avoid being sent off clear evidence of trying to win the ball must be seen. Pushes, pulls, collisions and checks are still red cards. Extension of leg is often key in establishing this. Onus on player to show he tried to win ball.
So under those set of guidelines, he has to go, despite the contact being accidental (which it was). Personally I would like to see the rules modified so incidents like this are also not reds.
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Post by sox on Nov 19, 2017 7:45:17 GMT
I think we are more likely to make playoffs than be in a relegation scrap. I agree we're inconsistent, but I think we have been slightly blessed with a league that isn't looking particularly strong this year. The fact we can have been on the poor run we've been on and still be within a win of the playoff spots says a lot. Apart from Wigan and Shrews, every team has seemed pretty inconsistent to me. If the general standard stays the same, and we improve and pick up a couple of good players in January, we definitely COULD sneak in. First of all, what a great and much-needed three points. Wasn't there so can't comment on detail but the three points were all that mattered after our horror run of the last month. I thought we had the capability of making the play-offs, but have seen enough now to just be happy if have a quiet dull season, especially now Nelson is out. Our League place is somewhat 'false ' because of games in hand but even on a conservative glance we are above halfway. But there's not much room for complacency. Six points below us is 19th, I think, so please no more four match losing streaks. Suspect Tuesday will be tougher. Plymouth are really quite crap with eleven men let alone ten. But at least the players will look forward with some confidence restored. And if they can just keep their heads above water we should be fine. To say we were/are (?) on a horror run is understandable and a nod to the short term, I guess our form over the previous six weeks is being referred to. But if that’s the metric you’ll judge us on, and you are with the majority on this, then you could at least be consistent in applying that metric. To go on to declare Plymouth ‘really quite crap’ just shows a lack of insight ... that same short term view tells us that they had been one of the leagues form sides over the same period, unbeaten in six, still in the cup, and having drawn with the Shrews and Blackburn. Such short term views aren’t helpful ... but if you are to apply them you could at least do it consistently. As has been said before, you win nowt in November. We’ll know more after Christmas and New Year, and January business, is behind us. For now I’ll settle for enjoying some, occasionally, great football and reminding myself how far we had fallen and how much better it is to be on the up. I’ll accept that, and I’m sure Pep would agree, that we aren’t the finished article ... something I can forgive Pep in only his fifth month in charge. COYY!
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 19, 2017 7:59:28 GMT
Comment from the Plymouth forum. Three things oxford had: A striker who can find the back of the net Commitment and passion A manager who can manage I love the diverse opinions of football fans. Another comment from their forum...... We came up against a decent team, yes they have been on a bad run, but they are a good footballing team that comfortably outplayed us. How I would love some of the pace they have to be in our team.
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Post by oxfordboy on Nov 19, 2017 8:03:51 GMT
We've not got enough pace of our own, let alone giving some to them, p*ss off Plymouth
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 19, 2017 8:32:36 GMT
I think we are more likely to make playoffs than be in a relegation scrap. I agree we're inconsistent, but I think we have been slightly blessed with a league that isn't looking particularly strong this year. The fact we can have been on the poor run we've been on and still be within a win of the playoff spots says a lot. Apart from Wigan and Shrews, every team has seemed pretty inconsistent to me. If the general standard stays the same, and we improve and pick up a couple of good players in January, we definitely COULD sneak in. First of all, what a great and much-needed three points. Wasn't there so can't comment on detail but the three points were all that mattered after our horror run of the last month. I thought we had the capability of making the play-offs, but have seen enough now to just be happy if have a quiet dull season, especially now Nelson is out. Our League place is somewhat 'false ' because of games in hand but even on a conservative glance we are above halfway. But there's not much room for complacency. Six points below us is 19th, I think, so please no more four match losing streaks. Suspect Tuesday will be tougher. Plymouth are really quite crap with eleven men let alone ten. But at least the players will look forward with some confidence restored. And if they can just keep their heads above water we should be fine. So all season u tell us that we should be around mid table, yet all along u thought we had the capability of making the playoffs, as well as saying we could be looking towards a relegation battle. Think u got it pretty well covered to be right come the end of the season
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 19, 2017 9:05:28 GMT
So all season u tell us that we should be around mid table, yet all along u thought we had the capability of making the playoffs, as well as saying we could be looking towards a relegation battle. Think u got it pretty well covered to be right come the end of the season To be fair though, we are so inconsistent (as are many other teams in this division this season) that all three situations are eminently possible. A three or four game winning streak and we will be in the playoff places easily, a five game losing streak and we will be looking over our shoulders - and we have already seen both of those this season!
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Post by uptheus on Nov 19, 2017 9:10:06 GMT
So all season u tell us that we should be around mid table, yet all along u thought we had the capability of making the playoffs, as well as saying we could be looking towards a relegation battle. Think u got it pretty well covered to be right come the end of the season To be fair though, we are so inconsistent (as are many other teams in this division this season) that all three situations are eminently possible. A three or four game winning streak and we will be in the playoff places easily, a five game losing streak and we will be looking over our shoulders - and we have already seen both of those this season! Which makes me think we'll probably end up somewhere in the middle!
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 19, 2017 9:10:16 GMT
So all season u tell us that we should be around mid table, yet all along u thought we had the capability of making the playoffs, as well as saying we could be looking towards a relegation battle. Think u got it pretty well covered to be right come the end of the season To be fair though, we are so inconsistent (as are many other teams in this division this season) that all three situations are eminently possible. A three or four game winning streak and we will be in the playoff places easily, a five game losing streak and we will be looking over our shoulders - and we have already seen both of those this season! Totally , but again some of us kind of expected that what with a mass turn over of players and manager. I said 9th/10th before the season started because I thought we would take quite a while to gel and get injured players match fit, before pushing on second half. It’s looks more Likley we will flit between brilliant and rubbish every few games but still finish around the same Charles started off telling everyone we were going for it this season a top 6 finish now rather than building. Then changed to pep needing to grip them up as we had signed old injured players that needed an ear full, before now finishing mid table. While all along giving us facts about how a mid table finish is about right
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 19, 2017 9:25:03 GMT
After a week of being negative I'm jumping back on the positive bus and looking to see where we can get the 8, or so, wins we need to ensure survival.
There, you can't get much more positive than that!
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 19, 2017 9:32:08 GMT
After a week of being negative I'm jumping back on the positive bus and looking to see where we can get the 8, or so, wins we need to ensure survival. There, you can't get much more positive than that! Soon to be renamed the positive tuk tuk 😉
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 19, 2017 9:37:18 GMT
Comment from the Plymouth forum. Three things oxford had: A striker who can find the back of the net Commitment and passion A manager who can manage I love the diverse opinions of football fans. I rather enjoyed the 'mark the manager' thread and them changing it so guests can't vote as they reckoned Oxford fans were giving the ref 10. It is no different to a load of theirs giving him a 1 which has happened. It also shows the pointlessness of such a thread. One other amusing thing is the insistence from some of them after watching highlights that it wasn't a penalty but a dive. They must have watched different highlights as those I've seen, you couldn't tell either way considering the distance of the camera and angle.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 19, 2017 9:37:57 GMT
After a week of being negative I'm jumping back on the positive bus and looking to see where we can get the 8, or so, wins we need to ensure survival. There, you can't get much more positive than that! Soon to be renamed the positive tuk tuk 😉 I'm thinking about traveling in Pep's Positive (Ox)Ford Fockuuuus.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 19, 2017 9:46:09 GMT
When you see us against a team that will probably go down, you realise that we won't be relegated. Even before they had a man sent off, we were quicker than Argyle, and imo we would have won comfortably even against eleven. We will probably end up top ten without troubling the playoffs. The frustrating thing (and this is where I do take issue with Pep) is that we are only two (maybe three) players away from a promotion team. He has wasted money on a lot of dross. Tiandelli (much better yesterday, but only after some awful performances), Xemi (jury out), Mowatt (flashy and slow), and the various crocks he has bought....the only unqualified success has been Ricardinho. If he had bought in 2-3 unproven at L1, than a worthwhile punt. But I think it is 7-8? Shame, because we have the nucleus of a very good team, but we are likely to end up mid table come May....
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Post by nottsyellow on Nov 19, 2017 10:06:07 GMT
To be fair though, we are so inconsistent (as are many other teams in this division this season) that all three situations are eminently possible. A three or four game winning streak and we will be in the playoff places easily, a five game losing streak and we will be looking over our shoulders - and we have already seen both of those this season! Totally , but again some of us kind of expected that what with a mass turn over of players and manager. I said 9th/10th before the season started because I thought we would take quite a while to gel and get injured players match fit, before pushing on second half. It’s looks more Likley we will flit between brilliant and rubbish every few games but still finish around the same Charles started off telling everyone we were going for it this season a top 6 finish now rather than building. Then changed to pep needing to grip them up as we had signed old injured players that needed an ear full, before now finishing mid table. While all along giving us facts about how a mid table finish is about right Trouble is, as soon as we getting injured players match fit , we get match fit players injured
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 19, 2017 10:16:06 GMT
Yet with all this terrible form, serious lack of pace, and lack of a decent striker. We’re 1 place outside the playoffs and joint top scorers in the league. Who knows what could happen if we can make some additions in jan. If a takeover does happen I think it being before December could be crucial. Give pep(or new guy) a month to prepare targets for the window. Maybe this takeover has been in the running for a lot longer, and may be the reason we had such a differing approach in the last window
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Post by foweyox on Nov 19, 2017 10:45:10 GMT
To be fair though, we are so inconsistent (as are many other teams in this division this season) that all three situations are eminently possible. A three or four game winning streak and we will be in the playoff places easily, a five game losing streak and we will be looking over our shoulders - and we have already seen both of those this season! Totally , but again some of us kind of expected that what with a mass turn over of players and manager. I said 9th/10th before the season started because I thought we would take quite a while to gel and get injured players match fit, before pushing on second half. It’s looks more Likley we will flit between brilliant and rubbish every few games but still finish around the same Charles started off telling everyone we were going for it this season a top 6 finish now rather than building. Then changed to pep needing to grip them up as we had signed old injured players that needed an ear full, before now finishing mid table. While all along giving us facts about how a mid table finish is about right Very fine margins. If we had hung on v Bradford and Rotherham then +4 points wouldnt suggest a relegation battle. Can we win auto promotion losing 10+ games though? Shrews will have their bad couple of months and come back to the chasing pack. Think Wigan are probably nailed on. Charlton very dangerous too. We cant be a Spurs though and get a poor total points versus top 6 - draws are no good - need to take it to them.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 19, 2017 11:34:18 GMT
Our points and goals tally when we play an attacking midfield three of Henry (on the right), Payne and Rothwell must be superb.
I absolutely love Joe Rothwell - I've always said I think he's the best technical footballer at the club. The way he glides past people, moving as quickly with the ball as he does without it, pinging short passes about and making runs in behind the defence... he's a joy to watch when he's allowed to get further forward and isn't stuck as one of the holding two, picking the ball off the centre backs. It's a shocking waste when he's stuck back there, because he can really make things happen. Yesterday was another example of just how good he can be.
Sign him up for a new deal, for the love of god. And tell him I love him and ask if he'd like to go to Nando's with me.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 19, 2017 13:53:26 GMT
I think Rothwell is better out wide in this formation than the middle. He seems to get more involved in the game and ha more impact with the runs he makes
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 19, 2017 16:19:10 GMT
I mY have missed but does anyone know what Deeek Adams was doing by the Tunnel which led the the OUFC coaching staff having to restrain him. Heard this on the radio
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Post by MJB on Nov 19, 2017 18:15:48 GMT
I mY have missed but does anyone know what Deeek Adams was doing by the Tunnel which led the the OUFC coaching staff having to restrain him. Heard this on the radio He wasn’t putting in a bid to buy the club was he?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Nov 19, 2017 19:02:41 GMT
I mY have missed but does anyone know what Deeek Adams was doing by the Tunnel which led the the OUFC coaching staff having to restrain him. Heard this on the radio He wasn’t putting in a bid to buy the club was he? nope something was happening Jerome and Nick were commenting on it they said they would try and find out. It was after the sending off come to think 🤔 f it it might be after one of our substitutions.
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 19, 2017 20:46:04 GMT
I mY have missed but does anyone know what Deeek Adams was doing by the Tunnel which led the the OUFC coaching staff having to restrain him. Heard this on the radio He was trying to steal our pace
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Post by oxfordboy on Nov 20, 2017 2:36:36 GMT
Did anyone notice the bloke fall through the gate when we scored our 3rd? Just noticed it and can't stop laughing
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